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Ardennes posted:As for White Christmas, I kind many of its elements but it did feel disjointed if only because most of the episode was spent on two elaborate backstories. It was really weak worldbuilding in that episode and yeah was obviously two different plots smooshed together. The most obvious bit was that the whole PUA game would be completely changed if people could temporarily block others from engaging with them. Also I've just realised that two of the episodes have men being cuckolded in them. That's a weirdly specific recurring idea.
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Skyscraper posted:That's a downright happy ending on this show. I feel like the most normal treatment for a Black Mirror character in that situation is disposal in some kind of terribly painful or dehumanizing ongoing manner, like if the robot was turned, still conscious, into a walking archive from the online logs some kind of child porn operation, or emulation of pet videos of someone's cat or something equally absurd yet terrible to actually experience. Technology has allowed her to hold on to her grief. The simulacrum cannot give her what she wants yet the experience of it there is visceral enough that she can't get rid of it and move on. She is stuck in the depression stage of the Kübler-Ross model. And the real kicker, to paraphrase, she does it to herself and that's what really hurts
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As an American, the Waldo episode has gone from too surreal to imagine, to a harsh reflection of reality Basically, this series is a witch, and should be burned. Hog dicks and elephants are too close to home
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Oct 19, 2016 11:11
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It's only with hindsight I realise how radical The Waldo Moment was, and is. We knew at the time it was raw, but didn't realise it could get rawer with time.
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I was fine with Waldo up until the very end where it just kind of spirals out into being completely ridiculous. Like, I would have been fine if it had just ended with his boss taking over and it still being as popular.
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White Bear is also the same basic plot as Goosebumps: One Day at Horrorland. Knowing Charlie Brooker, I'd say that's deliberate.
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Oct 19, 2016 15:06
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spooky like this! posted:I was fine with Waldo up until the very end where it just kind of spirals out into being completely ridiculous. Like, I would have been fine if it had just ended with his boss taking over and it still being as popular. Yup, it's just the coda, with the Waldo fascist apocalypse that's a little too on the nose. The rest of it is definitely insightful, it just feels very different from the rest of the series.
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Updated OP a little with episode titles and the christmas episode no longer coming soon, and just want to drop this hereX-O posted:
I'll be most likely watching these as soon as they're out, but I won't be hanging out here while it happens, so just making sure this is remembered. (x-o, any chance of these being added to the actual tviv rules? i feel the trial has been trialled well)
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I don't think I have the intestinal fortitude to binge watch this show.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:46
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I will not be in any way sober. I don't know if that will help or will just be my coping mechanism.
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Oct 19, 2016 18:02
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counterfeitsaint posted:I don't think I have the intestinal fortitude to binge watch this show. It's all right. They're all self-contained stories so every 60-90 minutes you can believe that it will all work out ok this time 
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Oct 19, 2016 18:39
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everyone make sure to hang out in IRC so i can spoil some episodes for you 10 minutes before the end
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Oct 19, 2016 21:24
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what if chat, but too much
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Relevant to discussion here, the White Bear episode was originally not going to have the twist at all and just be the phone zombie plot: http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/black-mirror-season-2-white-bear-episode-twist-charlie-brooker-1201889576/
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counterfeitsaint posted:I don't think I have the intestinal fortitude to binge watch this show. I'm gonna try
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McSpanky posted:what if chat, but too much "Kevin is delighted to download the new ChatsApp on his EyePhone5. Right until it turns out that people can talk to you whenever they like. When he's trying to sleep. When he's enjoying a relaxing poo. When he's screwing the missus. Now Kevin hears voices all the time. What would he do to turn them off? Also, humanity is poo poo."
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Sepinwall is cool on the new season: http://hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-black-mirror-glitches-in-its-transition-to-netflix His thoughts on SJ are similar to what I said earlier too, wrt how I thought it was unlike Black Mirror. He also considers it the best one.
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Oct 20, 2016 09:20
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After watching all the new episodes I must say that cell phones were a mistake, technology is scary, and the future is bleak
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:After watching all the new episodes I must say that cell phones were a mistake, technology is scary, and the future is bleak It's never really about the technology, the tech is usually just a plot device. It's people that were a mistake, people are scary and the future is bleak.
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Oct 20, 2016 13:30
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Technology is cool and people ruin everything. Got the day off tomorrow, hopefully gonna spend it hating life watching the new episodes.
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Escobarbarian posted:Sepinwall is cool on the new season: http://hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-black-mirror-glitches-in-its-transition-to-netflix That doesn't seem to be what he's saying at all? He says it's unlike the other episodes this season (other than Playtest, apparently). If anything he's saying it's more like the older Black Mirror episodes in that it seems as concerned about the human impact of the technology as it is about the technology itself (in comparison to Nosedive, which is too much about explaining the technology).
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from the article:quote:Without revealing too much about its story, the biggest twist is that it's a Black Mirror episode that shows a new piece of technology working the way it's meant to, and in a fashion that at least provides real benefits for some, even as the story points out its pitfalls. In moments, it's almost shocking in its optimism. come on, man.
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It's unlike Black Mirror because of it's optimism, but it's like Black Mirror because It's also more human than most of the new installments. The better Black Mirror episodes tend to offer a strong balance of character drama along with the social satire — "Be Right Back," for instance, is about how our online profiles are no substitute for our actual personalities, but it's also an intimate story of grief and loss — but only a few of the new ones ("San Junipero" and "Playtest" in particular) seemed as interested in the people as the technology. I guess it's up to you to decide if technology's impact on humanity or straight up pessimism is Black Mirror's ethos. There's arguments to be made for both, but I think the former is both more interesting and a more useful concept of what the show is supposed to be.
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For example, a lot of people seem to regard Be Right Back as being super bleak. but I see it as bittersweet. Their daughter gets to know, at least, a facsimile of her father.
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flashy_mcflash posted:It's unlike Black Mirror because of it's optimism, but it's like Black Mirror because I never said it was completely unlike the rest of the show in any way. I said tonally it was different from other episodes, and the optimism (as well as willingness to show this technology in a positive light) is what I was referring to.
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flashy_mcflash posted:
Yeah, I've always though it was less "These are the dangers of Twitter!!" and more that our technological advances can multiply our flaws as well as our strengths. The Entire History of You only makes the technology interesting. It's that a jealous man is using it for exactly the kind of thing we'd expect that he'd use it for. It's just the enhanced version of a guy who looks at his wife's e-mails while she's away, or obsesses over lines in her facebook comments. Be Right Back, similarly, just feels like the logical extension of having to deal with the loss of a loved one in an age where people have big digital footprints. I know when a friend's sister committed suicide, her very active social media profiles added some complication to the grief. Trying to reach out and touch that person, to have one last conversation, but never really getting the real thing is something everyone can feel, it's just represented by something physical this time. It's also why I don't agree with some of the complaints about White Christmas. It doesn't matter if the "blocking" technology isn't realistic; that's what being blocked by an ex on existing social media feels like. Part of the advantage of science fiction is taking our huge emotional moments and making the extremist way they feel into something literal. That Black Mirror does it with near future technology that we can almost recognize makes the sci-fi part of it feel a bit less like magic, but I think it's okay that sometimes it's a bit more traditional in just having us accept the technology is real. Shame about the lukewarm reviews, but there were bound to be some kinks in adjusting to a new format. I'll reserve judgement until I've binge-watched my way into despair.
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Mameluke posted:For example, a lot of people seem to regard Be Right Back as being super bleak. but I see it as bittersweet. Their daughter gets to know, at least, a facsimile of her father. That was also how I read it.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:After watching all the new episodes I must say that cell phones were a mistake, technology is scary, and the future is bleak What if iron, but too much? *smash cut to static shot of Rome burning and being looted*
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:What if iron, but too much? What if stone, but too much? *smash cut to a bunch of cavemen hitting each other on the head with rocks*
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oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...
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IronSaber posted:What if stone, but too much? What if human, but too much? *smash cut to god contemplating Earth* Not a creationist
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Relevant: http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/
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IronSaber posted:What if stone, but too much? What if bone, but too much? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3s5fA7Zhk
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What time is this supposed to hit Netflix in the US? Is it available at midnight?
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Oct 21, 2016 01:05
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Usually midnight western, 3am Eastern, 8am UK, etc
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Escobarbarian posted:Usually midnight western, 3am Eastern, 8am UK, etc Drat. I'm not staying up until 3 Am to watch an episode. Oh well.
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ten minutes away! don't forget the netflix rules earlier on this page.
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3x1 Haha this is literally MeowMeowBeenz CrimsonAuthor fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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CrimsonAuthor posted:2x1 There's no way they're unaware of that, I mean Alison Brie is in it.
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It's odd that I feel absolutely no compulsion to binge watch this. Just an episode every free evening, give them time to digest.
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