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Father O'Blivion posted:If our national intelligence agencies are to be believed, Russia has had a hand meddling with our system of democracy and the techology and culture it produces to better the world. sebmojo posted:russia has the gdp of south korea Can you all please just start openly saying what your position is instead of writing one line and hoping that cross-cultural, translated inferences on an internet forum will make your intention clear to anyone. Thank you.
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botany posted:Can you all please just start openly saying what your position is instead of writing one line and hoping that cross-cultural, translated inferences on an internet forum will make your intention clear to anyone. Thank you. What are you talking about.
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Oct 21, 2016 10:41
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On a subway train in China and the news is running a "Bernie got screwed" pro wiki leaks story. Ugh On the plus side, I enjoyed explaining why Trump is going to get trounced by Hillary to students in my AP Physics class. We were discussing different types of models and I used 538 as an example.
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Oct 21, 2016 10:43
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botany posted:Can you all please just start openly saying what your position is instead of writing one line and hoping that cross-cultural, translated inferences on an internet forum will make your intention clear to anyone. Thank you. 
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Oct 21, 2016 10:43
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Let us English posted:On a subway train in China and the news is running a "Bernie got screwed" pro wiki leaks story. Ugh I realize this is the least important part of your post, but, they have AP classes in China?
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Oct 21, 2016 10:43
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JFairfax posted:The British people have just voted to destroy their own country. Is that why Iran has no nuclear program now? Sanctions sometimes work and sometimes don't. The US needs the right policy tool for the right job, and you need new talking points. Iraq? Really? You sound like some dumb frustration WTO protestor from 1999. Lightning Knight posted:I realize this is the least important part of your post, but, they have AP classes in China? I teach on behalf of a school in the US. Lots of America bound students take the AP exams. They're smart kids but I'm not bullish on their chances at this point in the semester. Lots of 3 and 4s in that class' future. AP exams require a level of reading and writing skill that is hard to teach in a majority Chinese environment. Even if my class is in English, they need full immersion to get them from high-intermediate to advanced. Let us English fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 10:55
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Considering all of this is probably most directly caused by Obama retaliating for the birther bullshit - is there any idea of why Trump was so bothered by Obama in '08? I guess the way he responded rather directly points towards the worst of explanations, but are there any other likely explanations?
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Oct 21, 2016 10:58
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Cingulate posted:Considering all of this is probably most directly caused by Obama retaliating for the birther bullshit - is there any idea of why Trump was so bothered by Obama in '08? He was radicalized into a Breitbart-spewing Cheeto Fascist by Sean Hannity. He was then rich enough to get the purestrain Crazy from the central figures of the vast right wing conspiracy. He befriended them, and then now they run his campaign for the presidency.
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Oct 21, 2016 11:00
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Epic High Five posted:People said the same thing about Rick Santorum after 2012. He's a loser, and he's embarassed himself enormously with his horribly timed embrace of Trump But there are still people that pine for him because they believe somehow Zodiac Killer is a kinder, gentler, more electable republican because he went hard on Christian Values(tm). Of course, I only heard this before he finally caved in and endorsed trump, so who loving knows now which way the "WE AREN'T RACIST" winds are blowing for the Rs that would vote for Satan just to avoid wearing the Trump Orange on their brand's sleeve.
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Oct 21, 2016 11:00
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CharlestheHammer posted:What are you talking about. He's saying the dude is a racist who is "just asking questions," and is asking him to stop beating around the bush and make his hateful point directly instead of hiding it behind bullshit.
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Oct 21, 2016 11:04
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The more I read about Brexit the more it seems like that Halloween story with the cursed monkeys paw.
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Oct 21, 2016 11:24
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Agnosticnixie posted:France doesn't have a weak executive. I want to print this post, frame it, and send it to François Hollande for his birthday, with a little note that says "Look, here's your last supporter in the world, cherish this moment forever"
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Oct 21, 2016 11:27
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botany posted:Can you all please just start openly saying what your position is instead of writing one line and hoping that cross-cultural, translated inferences on an internet forum will make your intention clear to anyone. Thank you. I was saying that russia has the GDP of south korea
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Oct 21, 2016 11:30
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Lightning Knight posted:I dunno. I choose not to boil down the people of Russia to their unelected representative. I haven't been to Russia and my Russian history is sketchy but I know they're an ancient and vibrant people with a strong culture who have endured more hardship than most Americans would care to think about. Hurr durr what have Russians done this century for the world is a loving stupid and rear end in a top hat thing to even imply.
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Oct 21, 2016 11:30
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Cingulate posted:Considering all of this is probably most directly caused by Obama retaliating for the birther bullshit - is there any idea of why Trump was so bothered by Obama in '08? Edit: oh, did you mean why he started the birther thing in the first place? I guess it's not that then. I guess he hates it when black people seek political power?
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Oct 21, 2016 11:33
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Lightning Knight posted:I dunno. I choose not to boil down the people of Russia to their unelected representative. I haven't been to Russia and my Russian history is sketchy but I know they're an ancient and vibrant people with a strong culture who have endured more hardship than most Americans would care to think about. Hurr durr what have Russians done this century for the world is a loving stupid and rear end in a top hat thing to even imply. Putin is WILDLY popular in Russia. He may be a tyrant, but sometimes tyrants are also elected president (multiple times in Putin's case).
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Oct 21, 2016 11:39
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Samurai Sanders posted:I figured he was just a deep personal grudge keeping person in general and you never know what will set one of them off. Maybe we should just accept the most obvious and simple answer that Donald J Trump was always just plain racist.
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Crabtree posted:Maybe we should just accept the most obvious and simple answer that Donald J Trump was always just plain racist. Are there people who don't think that? Pretty sure that's a big reason his base supports him.
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sebmojo posted:I was saying that russia has the GDP of south korea That is a correct observation, well done you. You made that observation after I said that the US and Russia are both doing terrible things around the world, which leads me to believe that you think your observation is relevant to that discussion. If that's the case I would like you to elaborate. Super glad we're having this talk, btw. edit: Looking up the data that is actually not a correct observation lmao. But I'd still like you to explain why it matters. botany fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 11:43
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twerking on the railroad posted:Putin is WILDLY popular in Russia. He may be a tyrant, but sometimes tyrants are also elected president (multiple times in Putin's case). Yeah, and Dear Leader is wildly popular in North Korea. Fear of being jailed or fed a polonium sandwich for dissent will do WONDERS for your approval rating.
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Oct 21, 2016 12:08
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It was polonium tea, thank you very much.
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Oct 21, 2016 12:11
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:It was polonium tea, thank you very much. yeah you fool
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Oct 21, 2016 12:13
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I want to print this post, frame it, and send it to François Hollande for his birthday, with a little note that says "Look, here's your last supporter in the world, cherish this moment forever" Fine "France has a technically powerful executive office filled with a weak executive"
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Oct 21, 2016 12:14
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Yeah, and Dear Leader is wildly popular in North Korea. Fear of being jailed or fed a polonium sandwich for dissent will do WONDERS for your approval rating. IMHO you need a certain amount of popular support or you're done. Ask Ceausescu about that.
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Oct 21, 2016 12:15
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Spacedad posted:Also in breaking news on that subject; after months of outlining a plan for brexit from scratch - what they've come up as their plan is hilariously British in its crushing mediocrity: Pro-Brexit video game from the future past, TeaJam & Earl (Grey)
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Yeah, and Dear Leader is wildly popular in North Korea. Fear of being jailed or fed a polonium sandwich for dissent will do WONDERS for your approval rating. Yeah except Kim JongUn's approval rating is fake and Putin's isn't. Putin is genuinely popular as hell in Russia. His 80+ approval rating of course still has a lot to do with his dictatorial control over the media and the suppression of all stories that make him look bad, but even an approval rating based on skewed reporting is still a genuine approval rating. Putin isn't going to be deposed any time soon, Russians by and large love the man. edit: To make my point clearer, his approval rating is not because people are scared of being disappeared, it's because people only ever hear positive things about him, and the Kremlin propaganda machine is very very effective.
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sebmojo posted:I was saying that russia has the GDP of south korea is that racist? botany posted:That is a correct observation, well done you. You made that observation after I said that the US and Russia are both doing terrible things around the world, which leads me to believe that you think your observation is relevant to that discussion. If that's the case I would like you to elaborate. Super glad we're having this talk, btw. http://country-facts.findthedata.com/compare/26-113/Russia-vs-South-Korea russia's gdp is 1.33 trillion, south korea's is 1.38 so sorry - russia's gdp is lower than south korea's, my mistake. the US is 18 trillion. Russia is acting like the underdog it is, but all the talk is of big dog posturings. Seems relevant.
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Here let me enumerate the many non-racist and non-nationalist reasons why someone would ask for a list of recent Russian accomplishments: 1) Writing a report on recent Russian accomplishments 2) Random curiosity Hmm actually there aren't all that many
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Yeah, and Dear Leader is wildly popular in North Korea. Fear of being jailed or fed a polonium sandwich for dissent will do WONDERS for your approval rating. Yeah, those are not comparable situations. Kim Jong-Un is popular because there's a cult around his family. Putin originally became popular because he navigated Russia out of the recession of the late Yeltsin years. He's now popular because the Russian right wing likes the idea of re-asserting the Russian sphere of influence and a return to the time when Russia was a great power. Also because he's cool with them oppressing the gays and immigrants from former Soviet republics.
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Oct 21, 2016 12:30
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botany posted:an approval rating based on skewed reporting is still a genuine approval rating. uh
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botany posted:[...]an approval rating based on skewed reporting is still a genuine approval rating. ... I'll dispute you on this. No its not. If you put your finger on a scale to make it tilt one way (that isn't statistically proven to make it more accurate like now normal polls are done) it's not a genuine approval rating (whatever that means).
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Oct 21, 2016 12:32
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sebmojo posted:is that racist? quote:http://country-facts.findthedata.com/compare/26-113/Russia-vs-South-Korea Russia and SK have very different populations. Russian GDP per capita is ~11.000USD, SK GDP per capita is ~25kUSD. I really think those are the figures that matter more than aggregate GDP. Of course they also make Russia look even weaker. quote:Russia is acting like the underdog it is, but all the talk is of big dog posturings. Seems relevant. I still don't really understand what this means, to be honest. Are you saying that Russia acts out on the world stage because it is economically weak, and the US does it for other reasons? Are you saying we shouldn't take Russia seriously? Or more seriously? I'm not trying to antagonize you here, I just honestly don't know why you're bringing GDP into a discussion about war crimes. I don't see the connection. edit: QuarkJets posted:Here let me enumerate the many non-racist and non-nationalist reasons why someone would ask for a list of recent Russian accomplishments: That was a different poster.
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botany posted:Yeah except Kim JongUn's approval rating is fake and Putin's isn't. Putin is genuinely popular as hell in Russia. His 80+ approval rating of course still has a lot to do with his dictatorial control over the media and the suppression of all stories that make him look bad, but even an approval rating based on skewed reporting is still a genuine approval rating. Putin isn't going to be deposed any time soon, Russians by and large love the man. For a country as geographically and culturally diverse as Russia, an 85%+ approval rating still seems a little bit far fetched imho, but yeah you're right, I retract my dumb comparison.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:... I'll dispute you on this. No its not. If you put your finger on a scale to make it tilt one way (that isn't statistically proven to make it more accurate like now normal polls are done) it's not a genuine approval rating (whatever that means). A genuine approval rating is one that accurately reflects what the people it polls think. For whatever reason. The reason that Russians approve of Putin are suspect as gently caress, but that doesn't mean their approval isn't genuine. This is somewhat important when we have posters in the last couple of pages speculating about how long it will take for Russians to overthrow Putin. North Korea has a higher chance of a revolt because the approval ratings there are actually fake, as in, don't reflect what the populace thinks. Russians are not going to overthrow a leader they respect and trust. edit: Random rear end in a top hat posted:For a country as geographically and culturally diverse as Russia, an 85%+ approval rating still seems a little bit far fetched imho, but yeah you're right, I retract my dumb comparison. It should be noted that (a) US polling firms actually conduct polls in Russia and get the same results, and (b) this result isn't static, and during the winter olympics Putin lost 20%. He made that up by invading Crimea and "fighting ISIS", both of which are hugely popular in Russia. botany fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 12:37
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Everyone getting caught by the fishmech.
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Oct 21, 2016 12:41
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Is anyone else having trouble connecting to Twitter? Neither the app nor the website are working for me. Can't connect to either
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Scent of Worf posted:Is anyone else having trouble connecting to Twitter? Neither the app nor the website are working for me. Can't connect to either Working fine for me.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:A few years back, I went to a meeting organized by an experienced Democratic operative. She was giving training on party building, and after giving an impassioned speech about how Obama's healthcare reforms saved her life, she explained that every single person who wants to grow the Democratic party needs to have a story of their own, because that's what takes people by the heart. She explained that every person in the room had been invited because they'd been involved above and beyond normal, which meant we all had a special reason for being there, and asked us to pair off and explain to someone else why we were here. Ten pages ago but goddamn.  Also yeah twitter is broke for me. DNS issues maybe.
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Starshark posted:IMHO you need a certain amount of popular support or you're done. Ask Ceausescu about that. There's something morbidly satisfying about watching that video with the show trial and execution of the Ceausescus. gently caress them.
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