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purple death ray posted:You mean the poster? He's a mod now, unless something happened recently. He changed his name to X-O 
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did he die or something? poo poo, what am I missing here???
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Ashikan judan posted:The rear end scene is good because it's a quintessential example of Superman helping, not because he's powerful, but because of who and what he is. Yeah. And what Deadpool does isn't even too different from what Superman does; he shows her that someone does care. He just does it in a Deadpool way (i.e., distracting her by letting her tag along on his amoral adventures while he lines up the help she really needs). As someone who's lived with anxiety and depression, I was touched by this issue.
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Oct 14, 2016 00:38
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Gerry Duggan is cool and good and was a definite highlight on Nerd Poker when he was on it.
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Oct 14, 2016 00:44
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purple death ray posted:did he die or something? poo poo, what am I missing here??? Literal Deadpool the poster literally posted a literal Deadpool comic. Figuratively
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Oct 14, 2016 00:58
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RIP SA poster/mod Deadpool
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Oct 14, 2016 01:04
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I like X-O, and in turn I'm pretty sure I'm their favorite poster.
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Oct 14, 2016 01:27
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All this talk, and nobody mentioning the other Superman jumper story, where he sits and waits because the jumper doesn't want to talk, and he promises not to grab her of the ledge. And when she does talk, he agrees with her that life is hard, not fair. And tells her if she really, truly feels like there's no possibility of any more good days in her life, that everything is permanently and unfixably downhill in her life, then he won't stop her from stepping off the ledge. It's incredibly powerful and honest, and I've actively and shamelessly stolen from it several times with troubled friends of my own. The only help Supes can be in that situation is to be there to listen. Much like the Deadpool situation, the most he can do is help the person find help, not actually stop her. And that's the most most of us can do as well. http://imgur.com/gallery/Ijdxh
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Oct 14, 2016 01:27
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As someone who has seen a variety of mental health professionals for depression it is terrifying how Superman comics manage to come across as more truthful, inspirational, and comforting than well-educated experts.
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Oct 14, 2016 01:57
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Choco1980 posted:All this talk, and nobody mentioning the other Superman jumper story, where he sits and waits because the jumper doesn't want to talk, and he promises not to grab her of the ledge. And when she does talk, he agrees with her that life is hard, not fair. And tells her if she really, truly feels like there's no possibility of any more good days in her life, that everything is permanently and unfixably downhill in her life, then he won't stop her from stepping off the ledge. It's incredibly powerful and honest, and I've actively and shamelessly stolen from it several times with troubled friends of my own. The only help Supes can be in that situation is to be there to listen. Much like the Deadpool situation, the most he can do is help the person find help, not actually stop her. And that's the most most of us can do as well.
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Oct 14, 2016 02:10
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WickedHate posted:I like X-O, and in turn I'm pretty sure I'm their favorite poster. what
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Oct 14, 2016 02:11
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Rhyno posted:what I was joking. Endless Mike posted:I really hated this since it just seemed like it took three pages to do what Morrison did in one. 
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Oct 14, 2016 02:15
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Rhyno posted:what It appears our budding young misanthrope has learned irony.
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Endless Mike posted:I really hated this since it just seemed like it took three pages to do what Morrison did in one. Morrison's page is a character moment that even as he's dying and getting his affairs in order he still has the time, energy, and good nature to help out some random girl. These other pages were a refutation of Superman's common reputation as a hokey, rigid, unrealistic optimist.
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Oct 14, 2016 02:26
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[/quote] Yeah that too
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Choco1980 posted:All this talk, and nobody mentioning the other Superman jumper story, where he sits and waits because the jumper doesn't want to talk, and he promises not to grab her of the ledge. And when she does talk, he agrees with her that life is hard, not fair. And tells her if she really, truly feels like there's no possibility of any more good days in her life, that everything is permanently and unfixably downhill in her life, then he won't stop her from stepping off the ledge. It's incredibly powerful and honest, and I've actively and shamelessly stolen from it several times with troubled friends of my own. The only help Supes can be in that situation is to be there to listen. Much like the Deadpool situation, the most he can do is help the person find help, not actually stop her. And that's the most most of us can do as well. Dick move to make her step off the ledge either way, Clark
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Oct 14, 2016 04:35
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mind the walrus posted:They're different beasts attempting to accomplish different things. Agreed. And as someone who has needed talking away from self harm, I'd say the longer passage does far more with its words. Yes, Morrison's is more economical, but it's not really the same message. There's a big difference between "don't jump, there really are people who care" and "I can't really stop you from jumping if that's what you really want, but I hope you don't. Even if I can't do anything for you, I'll listen anyways." I know which I prefer to hear. Also, one puts in a stereotypical moody goth teenager, and one puts in a just normal lady. I know which is more realistic there too.
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Oct 14, 2016 04:49
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I'd like to mention Regan was getting help - Superman specifically mentions her psychiatrist got held up due to a traffic accident (and IIRC it was overhearing his conversation where he told her to hang on and wait for him that let Supes know someone was feeling suicidal). Him hugging her was never meant to show he could solve all her problems with a brief pep talk.
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Pureauthor posted:Him hugging her was never meant to show he could solve all her problems with a brief pep talk. Choco1980 posted:Agreed. And as someone who has needed talking away from self harm, I'd say the longer passage does far more with its words. Yes, Morrison's is more economical, but it's not really the same message. There's a big difference between "don't jump, there really are people who care" and "I can't really stop you from jumping if that's what you really want, but I hope you don't. Even if I can't do anything for you, I'll listen anyways." I know which I prefer to hear. Also, one puts in a stereotypical moody goth teenager, and one puts in a just normal lady. I know which is more realistic there too. In both cases there isn't a pep talk nor a promise to solve all of their problems. In both cases Superman provides what many suicidal people crave most-- a sense of support. Both are wonderful and I feel very glad to live in a world where we can debate the merits of each.
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Choco1980 posted:All this talk, and nobody mentioning the other Superman jumper story, where he sits and waits because the jumper doesn't want to talk, and he promises not to grab her of the ledge. And when she does talk, he agrees with her that life is hard, not fair. And tells her if she really, truly feels like there's no possibility of any more good days in her life, that everything is permanently and unfixably downhill in her life, then he won't stop her from stepping off the ledge. It's incredibly powerful and honest, and I've actively and shamelessly stolen from it several times with troubled friends of my own. The only help Supes can be in that situation is to be there to listen. Much like the Deadpool situation, the most he can do is help the person find help, not actually stop her. And that's the most most of us can do as well. Counterpoint: it's part of Grounded so it's automatically bad 
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Oct 14, 2016 06:32
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It was bad and it had nothing to do with being part of Grounded.
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I'm glad i saw that it was from Grounded before I read it otherwise Superman's crazed rambling about how he wishes Castro was dead would have confused me deeply.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I'm glad i saw that it was from Grounded before I read it otherwise Superman's crazed rambling about how he wishes Castro was dead would have confused me deeply. My favourite thing is that he lists three horrible people on who should still be alive, including a pedophile.
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Oct 20, 2016 13:00
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And what's so bad about Marilyn Manson?
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Oct 20, 2016 13:37
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He refused to cooperate like a good scapegoat when people were looking to blame something for Columbine.
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Oct 20, 2016 13:43
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mind the walrus posted:He refused to cooperate like a good scapegoat when people were looking to blame something for Columbine. Well, and his habit of sexually assaulting people, as well as being abusive to spouses and bandmates. (I agree with you about the Columbine thing, FWIW)
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Rhyno posted:It was bad and it had nothing to do with being part of Grounded. How can that be part of Grounded? he clearly flies in it.
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Skwirl posted:How can that be part of Grounded? he clearly flies in it. The ground is like, just your perspective man.
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Oct 21, 2016 13:27
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His thing was that he would walk the whole way across the continent, not that he wouldn't fly to do other things in between. Grounded was bad, but let's not pretend like JMS said "NO FLYING EVER!".
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Gaz-L posted:His thing was that he would walk the whole way across the continent, not that he wouldn't fly to do other things in between. Grounded was bad, but let's not pretend like JMS said "NO FLYING EVER!". The only way I would know that is if I read it, and I'm certainly not going to do that.
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Oct 21, 2016 19:37
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I read the first issue where some lady blames Superman for not saving her husband when he had a heart attack, and Superman being so heartbroken as though such an event or criticism had never been lobbed at him before. I immediately stopped reading.
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Oct 21, 2016 19:41
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My favorite part of grounded is where Superman goes to Philadelphia and sets fire to the houses of low-income black people because they had drugs. From the same issue as that "talking the woman off the ledge" one in fact. Also they're like the only black people in the story despite being in loving Philadelphia. I hate Grounded so much.
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Oct 21, 2016 19:55
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And then Superman lectures the people of Phili for letting drug dealers get established in the city. And it was up to the people to drive them out of the city into the next city as opposed to waiting for Superheroes to save them. As for what the other cities are supposed to do once the drug dealers go there...Well that's just their problem.
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The Question IRL posted:And then Superman lectures the people of Phili for letting drug dealers get established in the city. And it was up to the people to drive them out of the city into the next city as opposed to waiting for Superheroes to save them. I miss the days when Superman would demolish run-down areas and then build better homes in the same area for the same people to live in at Super-Speed, and tell bankers/etc. to gently caress off if they didn't like it.
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ImpAtom posted:My favorite part of grounded is where Superman goes to Philadelphia and sets fire to the houses of low-income black people because they had drugs. Remember when Superman seriously considered reporting some (literal) alien refugees, despite the fact that they hadn't hurt anyone and we're completely self sufficient! All because they weren't "giving back to their community."
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Oct 21, 2016 22:22
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Monaghan posted:Remember when Superman seriously considered reporting some (literal) alien refugees, despite the fact that they hadn't hurt anyone and we're completely self sufficient! All because they weren't "giving back to their community." I hate Grounded so goddamn much.
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Monaghan posted:Remember when Superman seriously considered reporting some (literal) alien refugees, despite the fact that they hadn't hurt anyone and we're completely self sufficient! All because they weren't "giving back to their community." That was the Detroit one. Someone gifed the panel of him spinning a basketball on his finger as he's like "Mind if I dial in?"
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hey shut up about Grounded Batman Gotham Adventures apparently, don't know the number       Let's argue some more about how Batman is broken as a person instead
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Oct 21, 2016 22:57
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For the Man Who Has Everything was way better.
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ImpAtom posted:I hate Grounded so goddamn much. There was a fill-in during it (I believe when JMS took his ball and went home) by G Willow Wilson about Lois going back to her home town that was pretty good.
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