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That was a great disturbing story. Thank you. The problem in the U.S. is that everybody watches CSI and thinks forensic results are 100% available and 100% reliable and never, ever contaminated.
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It's nice to know what I've heard was wrong about the Tasman Aboriginals. Thanks for the education, thread.
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Jose posted:so i realise this is just insects but how bad are sting rays supposed to be compared to stuff on this chart? I've been stung by one of them but never a wasp or bee This is second hand but prolly not as bad. A person who I did some work with got nailed by one this summer and she seemed fineish, like she was is pretty bad pain but not crippling. On the other hand the dude who got hit by the tarantula wasp pretty much immediately collapsed and started screaming. Maybe the had waaay different pain tolerances but who knows. Bullet ants are prolly pretty bad, the glove thing looks painful as gently caress but I have to imagine there is some sort of upper limit where you get tagged by like 5-6 and your body just effectively tops off the pain/venom load there. I'll prolly get the chance to try that out one of these years so ill report back. Telsa Cola has a new favorite as of 22:47 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 22:28
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Longform has reprinted the 1974 Washington Post article about Christine Chubbuck's live, on air suicide. pro read - drat that was a depressing story
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Oct 21, 2016 22:42
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Westie posted:pro read - drat that was a depressing story What makes me the most sad about it is that she honestly does sound kind of insufferable. Like you always think, reading stuff like this, "gee, I'd have been their friend!" but Christ, I wouldn't want to hang around her either if I were in their shoes. And that's lovely in a lot of ways. Poor woman.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:15
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A long time ago i read about some kind of female forensics investigator who was arrested as the suspect in a murder because her DNA was found at the scene... and there was a LOT of difficulty in proving that she had accidentally contaminated the crime scene when gathering evidence and wasn't actually the culprit. I'm likely misremembering some details, and I can't find the case on Google. The main thing I took away from it, though, was a huge sense of unease at how DNA testing can gently caress up innocent people's lives.
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Oct 22, 2016 00:30
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FourLeaf posted:A long time ago i read about some kind of female forensics investigator who was arrested as the suspect in a murder because her DNA was found at the scene... and there was a LOT of difficulty in proving that she had accidentally contaminated the crime scene when gathering evidence and wasn't actually the culprit. This reminds me of the Monk episode where culprit was in fact one of the policemen in the lineup and they assumed the witness picked the wrong guy. FourLeaf posted:The main thing I took away from it, though, was a huge sense of unease at how DNA testing can gently caress up innocent people's lives. See also: lie detector tests.
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Oct 22, 2016 00:32
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WickedHate posted:What makes me the most sad about it is that she honestly does sound kind of insufferable. Like you always think, reading stuff like this, "gee, I'd have been their friend!" but Christ, I wouldn't want to hang around her either if I were in their shoes. And that's lovely in a lot of ways. Poor woman. I didn't know Craig "best dressed reporter ever" sager was serving with her at the time though
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I've read through I think the whole thread, and we haven't mentioned Colin Pitchfork yet? Multiple rapist/murderer in the UK, and was apparently big in the news this year since there was talk of letting him out on parole. I read a whole book about this case, presumably The Bloodening since that seems to be the main one, while stuck on a long layover at Kandahar Airfield. Honestly the case didn't need an entire book, it can be summed up pretty tidily, but it has a pretty interesting feature: Many sexual offenders are well behaved in prison, since they don't have a chance to gently caress up. Considering the nature of his crimes, he would almost certainly still be a danger if released.
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I don't think he was a major part of the "story " but I really hope someone plays him in the movie in a gaudy sager suit 
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Did she come off like that? I only skimmed some of that condescending retro article. I thought she was just a little awkward, suffering from depression, and bothered by the direction of journalism. The complete picture adds a lot of context for why she acted the way she did, but she still seemed like a chore to be around, throwing fits on set, being stand offish but also incredibly clingy and needy, oversharing, moping. Of course, if anyone now talked about suicide and poo poo half as much as she did, that's a pretty huge warning sign, but no one around her saw it as urgent at the time. I guess that's the 70s for you. Another  bit is that the guy she got rejected by asked her out right before it happened because she had a sudden personality change from having made her mind up about dying. I guess it was relaxing for her.
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Telsa Cola posted:but prolly not quote:prolly pretty bad quote:I'll prolly get the chance
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Avshalom posted:right now i want you to get bitten by every venomous animal at once Should he bite the poisonous ones too?
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Should he bite the poisonous ones too? What about the toxic ones?
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WickedHate posted:Another This is common enough that it's a trigger to keep a closer eye on a suicidal patient. Once you've made your mind up, you don't have the decision weighing over you.
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Safety Biscuits posted:This is common enough that it's a trigger to keep a closer eye on a suicidal patient. Once you've made your mind up, you don't have the decision weighing over you. Also kinda unnerving that suicide risk can actually go *up* when someone starts on anti-depressants: they suddenly have momentum and drive again... and apply it to confidently and cheerfully throwing themselves off a bridge.
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WickedHate posted:The complete picture adds a lot of context for why she acted the way she did, but she still seemed like a chore to be around, throwing fits on set, being stand offish but also incredibly clingy and needy, oversharing, moping. Of course, if anyone now talked about suicide and poo poo half as much as she did, that's a pretty huge warning sign, but no one around her saw it as urgent at the time. I guess that's the 70s for you. lol she's clingy and manipulative and no one wants to date her. I Guess we should be super sympathetic to her?!?!
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Cumslut1895 posted:lol she's clingy and manipulative and no one wants to date her. I Guess we should be super sympathetic to her?!?! I think we should all take a collective step back, just for a moment, and explore the problems with trivialising suicide. You see, Cumslut189.... oh, well, nevermind
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I don't think suicide is so bad. Sure it's sad, but I'm not gonna get twisted into knots if someone made that choice for themselves. Bring on the suicide booths I say.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Longform has reprinted the 1974 Washington Post article about Christine Chubbuck's live, on air suicide. The total obsession with finding a man, and being considered a "spinster" at 29, even by her own mother's reckoning, sheds a pretty clear light on why she was the way she was. This woman graduated with a degree, had a career and was considered good at the job by those around her, and yet because she didn't have a husband she "had nothing." Yeesh.
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Wiggy Marie posted:The total obsession with finding a man, and being considered a "spinster" at 29, even by her own mother's reckoning, sheds a pretty clear light on why she was the way she was. This woman graduated with a degree, had a career and was considered good at the job by those around her, and yet because she didn't have a husband she "had nothing." Yeesh.  so... the patriarchy was to blame
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:
please do not start a derail this bad by making posts this terrible
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Solice Kirsk posted:I don't think suicide is so bad. Sure it's sad, but I'm not gonna get twisted into knots if someone made that choice for themselves. Bring on the suicide booths I say. getting hit by a train is bad. traumatises the driver and creates massive delays for everyone else. very selfish
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Solice Kirsk posted:I don't think suicide is so bad. Sure it's sad, but I'm not gonna get twisted into knots if someone made that choice for themselves. Bring on the suicide booths I say. getting hit by a train is bad. traumatises the driver and creates massive delays for everyone else. very selfish
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And here I was worried people would get mad at the implications that her mother's attitude was at least partly to blame! My point is more that it's really sad that this woman was successful by every definition except the one that was enforced, leading to what sounded like a persistent obsession with finding dates. To the point that being rejected by a guy she had arbitrarily decided was The One, without his knowledge, was devastating for her. That's way sad, and also scary. I was honestly expecting her to get more stalkerish toward him based on how the article went. It's worth noting that this article re-release coincides with a new movie about this case. Apologies if that was mentioned before, but it does give everything a creepy "for publicity" feel.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:(Not familiar with the term "open prison", britgoons?) As far as I know it is a sort of half-way house. It allows prisoners to start outside training/work placements, supervised outside visits, less supervision, allows more visitors and has lower all round security. It is for low-security prisoners, offenders convicted of minor crimes and those coming to the end of long sentences in need of gradual introduction to outside life.
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Wiggy Marie posted:My point is more that it's really sad that this woman was successful by every definition except the one that was enforced, leading to what sounded like a persistent obsession with finding dates. To the point that being rejected by a guy she had arbitrarily decided was The One, without his knowledge, was devastating for her. That's way sad, and also scary. I was honestly expecting her to get more stalkerish toward him based on how the article went. The article mentions that she had one of her ovaries removed and that if she didn't conceive within two years she'd probably never have children. That seems to explain her desperation to find a partner to settle down with, not some notion you have about enforced gender roles.
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There are some quotes from her mother that seem to imply that her mother enforced the "you need to be married and have kids to be successful" view, and that this view colored a lot of her thinking and seemed clearly tied to her depression. That is pretty much all I'm saying. I mean, a good chunk of the article specifically deals with Christine's constant efforts to try and get dates. Is it really that much of a stretch? I would think that viewpoint came from somewhere. I suppose medical reasons are just as likely, but the way the article makes it sound, she was desperate. I mean this is a quote straight from her mom, interviewed hours after her daughter killed herself on TV: Mom posted:“No close friends, no romantic attachments or prospects of any. She was a spinster at 29 and it bothered her." That and a few other lines gave me big red flags as a source of why dates were such a big deal to Christine. That is, again, all that I'm getting at. Is the "no dudes so sad" being such a big focus of the article just a symptom of the article being written in the 70's? In fairness, all of the quotes from her family members sound a bit weird. They're all very clinical about how her depression progressed and how much she talked about suicide. Edit: Hey how about some content! I may be alone in finding this unnerving, but when I first learned of this event it bothered the hell of out me. Honestly, it still does. http://time.com/3643889/christmas-truce-1914/ In 1914, French, Belgian and British soldiers called an unofficial truce with their German enemies and spent Christmas being kind to each other. They exchanged carols and items and gifts, and may have even played some impromptu soccer or kick ball. What bothers me about this story is how clearly it shows how the people up top can wage war with everything in them, but these poor guys would've been just fine calling the whole thing off. Instead of capitalizing on the sudden good will of their men, higher ups pushed them back into fighting. I'm sure continuing the war was far more complicated than my simple synopsis can manage, but it's still a story I think of a lot because of the quiet implications. These guys just wanted peace, and for two days, they got it. Wiggy Marie has a new favorite as of 01:59 on Oct 23, 2016 |
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Wiggy Marie posted:In fairness, all of the quotes from her family members sound a bit weird. They're all very clinical about how her depression progressed and how much she talked about suicide. They mentioned grieving in private and were accused of driving her to it out of coldness, as people who don't throw themselves onto the coffin weeping tend to suffer.
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Wiggy Marie posted:http://time.com/3643889/christmas-truce-1914/ I've seen this mentioned a number of times as a heartwarming example of the Christmas spirit but it was still more hosed up that they went back to killing each other the next day.
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WickedHate posted:They mentioned grieving in private and were accused of driving her to it out of coldness, as people who don't throw themselves onto the coffin weeping tend to suffer. That really sucks for the family. There's a long step between "hey maybe this is where some of her depression originated" and "you monsters you made her do it!!!" Everyone sounds nonchalant about it! Even her coworkers. Obviously they all pushed her to do it right guys? Just sad altogether. Go see Christine out now in theaters! Re-release of the article coinciding with the movie: inherently unnerving to me. RNG posted:I've seen this mentioned a number of times as a heartwarming example of the Christmas spirit but it was still more hosed up that they went back to killing each other the next day. I think this is actually how I first heard of this, and it just depressed the hell out of me. They could've ended the war!* *I know I know, probably still way more complicated than that, but seriously, those poor kids.
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Wiggy Marie posted:That really sucks for the family. There's a long step between "hey maybe this is where some of her depression originated" and "you monsters you made her do it!!!" Everyone sounds nonchalant about it! Even her coworkers. Obviously they all pushed her to do it right guys? Just sad altogether. Go see Christine out now in theaters! If it helps, I'm sure the crass capitalization decades after her death would make her happy. She wanted to be famous.
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Wiggy Marie posted:Edit: Hey how about some content! I may be alone in finding this unnerving, but when I first learned of this event it bothered the hell of out me. Honestly, it still does. There's a really good, nine-part documentary series on WWI that I no longer remember the name of that goes into this a bit. If I recall, it partially had to do with the fact that these guys had been sitting in trenches in proximity to each other for so long. They were close enough they could yell at each other and occasionally share food, stuff like that. But you're right, it is unnerving that they could go from fighting to hanging out to fighting again all because they were caught up in tensions between nations that were centuries in the making but had nothing to do with them.
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RNG posted:I've seen this mentioned a number of times as a heartwarming example of the Christmas spirit but it was still more hosed up that they went back to killing each other the next day.
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Wiggy Marie posted:Is the "no dudes so sad" being such a big focus of the article just a symptom of the article being written in the 70's? You're missing the scope of the issue, I think. I mean look at the first part of the sentence you quoted. She had profound problems connecting with other people. That'll wear someone down pretty severely over time.
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WickedHate posted:If it helps, I'm sure the crass capitalization decades after her death would make her happy. She wanted to be famous. You make a good point. Post that poo poo everywhere. InediblePenguin posted:It wasn't easy to get them to go right back to killing each other, and in subsequent years the armies had strict rules disallowing anything even vaguely resembling a repeat of the Christmas Truce because they didn't want their warfighters to go all softboy again This right here is what actually bothers me - by the accounts I've found, the soldiers didn't want to keep fighting, they were ordered to by their superiors. That is just awful. Wiggy Marie has a new favorite as of 07:53 on Oct 23, 2016 |
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WickedHate posted:If it helps, I'm sure the crass capitalization decades after her death would make her happy. She wanted to be famous. Crass capitalization on old tragedies/events? WW1 Christmas Truce talk? Time to share this mawkish and nauseating advert from 2014 that trades in on both those things!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoYsWavqL04 I hate the recent trend of these bullshit, emotional hijacking adverts. These stupid things are hotly anticipated every year in the UK around Christmas time.. Rondette has a new favorite as of 09:49 on Oct 23, 2016 |
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Jose posted:so i realise this is just insects but how bad are sting rays supposed to be compared to stuff on this chart? I've been stung by one of them but never a wasp or bee
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