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I have a game going as Hojo right now. Inspector can't play until later tonight tho so I think I'll start a SP game as Saladin.
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I'm pretty sure that most of the already discussed shortcomings will be fixed by future patches but I'm really getting put off by the graphical style they decided to follow. Also the map is messy and confusing even compared to civ3 
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Oct 21, 2016 22:05
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As someone who knew Civ V inside and out and generally played on Immortal, man is it disorienting to not have a clue about what techs/civics do what, what I should be prioritizing, what wonders are important to my given civ/leader, etc. It feels like none of my knowledge from that game has carried over at all.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:05
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DEO3 posted:As someone who knew Civ V inside and out and generally played on Immortal, man is it disorienting to not have a clue about what techs/civics do what, what I should be prioritizing, what wonders are important to my given civ/leader, etc. It feels like none of my knowledge from that game has carried over at all. I played Civ 5 on deity and I don't know if I am willing to invest the time and energy into learning all the nuances of Civ 6. At a certain point it becomes less about your decision making abilities and more about cheesing game mechanics.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:08
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PirateBob posted:What do you actually need luxury resources for in this game, with the happiness mechanic apparently removed? As others have said, happiness hasn't been removed at all, it's just been renamed and returned to a local city mechanic rather than nation-wide.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:09
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Klaaz posted:I'm pretty sure that most of the already discussed shortcomings will be fixed by future patches but I'm really getting put off by the graphical style they decided to follow. Also the map is messy and confusing even compared to civ3 Part of me feels like Blizzard's influence in the gaming industry led to the artistic vision for Civilization VI. Blizzard has proven that cartoony sells, but also there is fear among developers that very few genres of games exist for blizzard to appropriate. A turn based Civilization game is probably one of the very genres left that they haven't touched (lately) Shammypants fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 22:09
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Klaaz posted:I'm pretty sure that most of the already discussed shortcomings will be fixed by future patches but I'm really getting put off by the graphical style they decided to follow. Also the map is messy and confusing even compared to civ3 I don't mind most of the stylistic stuff, but it really bothers me that it isn't always clear whether a tile has hills on it. That's something I should be able to pick up at a glance.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:10
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DEO3 posted:As someone who knew Civ V inside and out and generally played on Immortal, man is it disorienting to not have a clue about what techs/civics do what, what I should be prioritizing, what wonders are important to my given civ/leader, etc. It feels like none of my knowledge from that game has carried over at all. Religion, tourism/cultural victory, combat, and even many of the units have been carried over almost whole cloth. City management, happiness/amenities, technology, and especially government/civics are very new.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:13
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"We must make our games look like a children's cartoon, for if we do not then Blizzard shall do it for us." - Game Developers trembling in fear
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Oct 21, 2016 22:14
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ok seriously how the gently caress do i make ai leaders stop offering me churros, this is really getting on my nerves
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Oct 21, 2016 22:14
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So in previous installments, war has always been a major pain in the rear end. I'd go in, exterminate a rival in 3000 BC, and everyone would hate me for it until the end of time. I would move to cripple enemies by taking away strategic resources or luxuries and get warmonger penalties that would never, ever, ever fade. Does Civilization 6 help make war less of a slog by making it not penalize you for the rest of the game if you decide to be a little more vicious early on?
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Oct 21, 2016 22:29
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I wouldn't mind the AI leader chat if it didn't take 3 seconds to fade out, 3 seconds to fade back in, then 3 seconds for << Goodbye >> to appear.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:31
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khy posted:So in previous installments, war has always been a major pain in the rear end. You don't get warmonger penalties at all if you declare war in the Ancient Era. Though, your civ will incur war weariness (mostly to prevent you from opening a war in Ancient Era then keeping it going indefinitely). Declaring a surprise war gets you huge warmonger penalties. Denouncing, then after five turns declaring a formal war is about half the penalty for surprise war. Once you unlock a certain civic policy, you can declare different types of wars that further reduce the penalty if your circumstances meet the criteria: reconquest, liberation, protectorate, holy war. Way late in the game you can also declare wars of colonization on civs that are way far behind you in tech.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:32
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Brannock posted:I wouldn't mind the AI leader chat if it didn't take 3 seconds to fade out, 3 seconds to fade back in, then 3 seconds for << Goodbye >> to appear.  khy posted:So in previous installments, war has always been a major pain in the rear end. Now the warmonger penalties start at 0 and gradually escalate as you advance ages, and there's a casus belli system where you reduce or remove warmonger penalties if you give a formal war declaration (with advance notice), are attacking to reconquer one your cities that was taken, or other such reasons.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:33
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Gort posted:Archers seem to be a fairly solid response to any kind of early warfare. It does... sort of. A single basic horseman takes about three turns to kill one archer, and it can take an archer up to five or six volleys to take down a horseman, but you want like three or four archers together (even against barbarians! One archer vs barbarians isn't gonna cut it anymore, they leave the encampment and hunt you hard) and the +10 vs land units promotion changes your 15-20 damage per shot to like 40+. But I guess it's like anything else where if you have enough of a unit, then yeah sure, the natural counter is nullified. As far as I'm concerned, the game's AI is a huge step up. I started near Hojo, we were bros, we fought in the same stone age wars against the same stone age enemies... and then he flipped his huge army around and backstabbed me. He took my capital city, I've never seen an AI do that before. I mean, as soon as my archers got home, I buried him, but god drat. The game seriously understands its own rules.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:35
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Roadie posted:From what I understand: each luxury resource type gives you 1 amenity each to up to (number of copies × 4) cities. I thought so, but the UI makes it so hard to see what you are getting uses out of. It's also a pain you cannot upgrade units to less than the max possible. I discovered gunpowder but have no Niter nearby. I have some warriors hanging about and want to upgrade them, but the only option is to upgrade them to Musketmen - which I cannot since I have no Niter. It should let me upgrade to Legions so they;d still be useful, and I could have done that if I'd known I had to before getting Gunpowder 
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Oct 21, 2016 22:36
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Is there any performance tweaks? It's taking 30-60 seconds every turn. This is crap. I've got a decent rig that's pulling ~84FPS, but ti's barely touching the CPU. Any ideas?
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Oct 21, 2016 22:38
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Here's my lovely meme review of Civ6 bye!
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Oct 21, 2016 22:39
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i do not understand amenities and it sucks
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Oct 21, 2016 22:40
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Kongo you are garbage
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Oct 21, 2016 22:40
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Raskolnikov posted:Here's my lovely meme review of Civ6 idgi but I haven't been following the thread. Is this a thread joke?
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Oct 21, 2016 22:41
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Chomp8645 posted:idgi but I haven't been following the thread. Is this a thread joke? if that's the defeat screen, the thread joke is, the ai is good and is stomping human players who think they're gonna walk all over it
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Oct 21, 2016 22:41
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I'm a bit late to founding a religion. What should I pick between Religious Community (Shrines and temples give +1 housing), Work Ethic (+1% production per follower) and Zen Meditation (+1 Amenity in cities with 2 specialty districts)?
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Oct 21, 2016 22:42
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I can't figure out how to send an envoy
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Oct 21, 2016 22:42
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I think the picture is meant to represent morning and the joke is that more than 2 hours passed.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:43
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:I think the picture is meant to represent morning and the joke is that more than 2 hours passed. Eureka!
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Oct 21, 2016 22:44
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Doorknob Slobber posted:I can't figure out how to send an envoy There are tiny stylized arrows next to the number of envoys you've sent to a city-state. They don't look like they're interactive, they look like they're some kind of border for the numbers. Click the one on the right to increase envoys and the one on the left to decrease the number of planned envoys.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:47
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Hahaha whoops I just lost 4 hours to this game. gently caress you Montezuma stop crowding me in you rear end in a top hat, I just wanna build film studios and make monster movies for the Scythians, why you gotta be like this.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:49
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The White Dragon posted:There are tiny stylized arrows next to the number of envoys you've sent to a city-state. They don't look like they're interactive, they look like they're some kind of border for the numbers. Click the one on the right to increase envoys and the one on the left to decrease the number of planned envoys. Then there's a button way at the bottom right that you have to click to confirm your selection..... some iOS 5 era UX here.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:51
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Production is at such a premium in the game that I think Industrial Zones are mandatory for every single city. You can switch up the other districts and distribute them however you feel best (have a culture city, science city, etc), but every city really needs that production boost to be even remotely functional.
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I declared war on the Russian rear end in a top hat to take one of his settlers he sent towards me and he just keeps on sending them so I can't sign a peace treaty. The drat jerk keeps spamming me with terrible deals that doesn't involve anything worthwhile but at least I found out you can just hit escape to say no and then again right away to skip past the pointless crying about how stupid stupid he is.Brannock posted:Production is at such a premium in the game that I think Industrial Zones are mandatory for every single city. You can switch up the other districts and distribute them however you feel best (have a culture city, science city, etc), but every city really needs that production boost to be even remotely functional.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:58
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The Deleter posted:Hahaha whoops I just lost 4 hours to this game. i keep playing it before work and i'm gonna regret this someday No, seriously, I just took Cairo off of Saladin, but not before he rushed a walls in response to my attack. This is not Civ 5 where if you saw a city throw down a wonder, it behooved you to cruise until it was finished because the dumb AI won't change its production once it commits to something. This is fantastic!
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Oct 21, 2016 23:00
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What do the first two AI leader conversations mean, where they talk about allowing into your capital city and exchanging gifts or whatever.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:02
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Periodiko posted:What do the first two AI leader conversations mean, where they talk about allowing into your capital city and exchanging gifts or whatever. I think it means you share eachother's capital location. In case you had 2 scouts meet up in the middle of nowhere for first contact.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:04
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Peter is ugly and exceptionally whiny, I miss Catherine.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:04
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PirateBob posted:I'm a bit late to founding a religion. What should I pick between Religious Community (Shrines and temples give +1 housing), Work Ethic (+1% production per follower) and Zen Meditation (+1 Amenity in cities with 2 specialty districts)? What's a bigger problem in the game, amenities or housing?
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Oct 21, 2016 23:06
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Periodiko posted:What do the first two AI leader conversations mean, where they talk about allowing into your capital city and exchanging gifts or whatever. Pretty sure that the hospitality conversation is based on who found what. If your scout gets close to their cities then you get a conversation that lets them show you where their capital is. If their scout gets close to your cities then you can tell them where your capital is. If your scout runs into their scout then you can exchange capital locations. Doing so gives you a minor diplomatic boost but also means that they might know where you live, which can get unpleasant if you have the wrong neighbor, while telling them to piss off gives a minor diplomatic penalty but means it'll maybe take longer for them to roll over your borders. The gift (spend delegation) option involves spending 25 gp, which essentially improves the other civ's treasury by 25 gp and gives a the gift-giver a minor diplomatic boost. Basically it's a decent way to make inroads to becoming friends early on, one which works better if you throw them some trade routes/deals and also maybe don't conflict with their agenda.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:08
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Poil posted:I'm spending half the time fighting the UI with the horrible delayed unit cycling and how hard it is to see anything when you have a settler or religious unit selected. Not to mention how grayed out every unit becomes when it's not active and WHY THE gently caress ISN'T THERE AN ALERT BUTTON SO MY UNITS WON'T JUST SIT AROUND IGNORING THE BARBS WALK AROUND THEM?!? No notification that a city can bombard either. This poo poo and the terrible trade route UI(lack of indicator of what your last trade route was, can't set it to autorefresh) are some absolutely baffling decisions.
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Brannock posted:Production is at such a premium in the game that I think Industrial Zones are mandatory for every single city. You can switch up the other districts and distribute them however you feel best (have a culture city, science city, etc), but every city really needs that production boost to be even remotely functional. Everything is so loving slow.
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Aztecs are pretty fun to play as. Never be at peace, always be warring always be getting free workers.
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