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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I'm really surprised there's not more uproar from Filipino-Americans or expats here in the States, this sort of diplomatic row could really gently caress a lot of people over if the State Dept decides to play hardball and embarrass Duerte by showing him how small of a player he actually is. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of terrible Filipino-Americans who have the "gently caress You Got Mine" attitude, so they don't care (isn't this related to the common Filipino trait of "crab mentality"?). There's also a huge portion of FilAms who supported Duterte during the election because of his anti-corruption stance (or because they're from Davao), so they still support him because of cognitive dissonance at this point. Also a little off topic: there are also a ton of FilAm Trump supporters (and Republicans) for similar reasons - gently caress you got mine, outright racists that hate Obama/blacks and Mexicans, conservative due to culture/religious beliefs. Interestingly, I've noticed that these beliefs also kind of closely emulate those of white people in the same places they live in (vote Republican in red states and vote Democrat in blue states). I guess Filipinos are obsessed with being white that much. ihatepants fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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ihatepants posted:Unfortunately, there are a LOT of terrible Filipino-Americans who have the "gently caress You Got Mine" attitude, so they don't care (isn't this related to the common Filipino trait of "crab mentality"?). There's also a huge portion of FilAms who supported Duterte during the election because of his anti-corruption stance (or because they're from Davao), so they still support him because of cognitive dissonance at this point. Yeah I see a lot of this in my partner's family; two of her uncles are a doctor and an architect who live in the whitest parts of Massachusetts and Colorado, respectively. They're nice guys, but they definitely embody that bootstrap mythology, "fiscal conservative, socially liberal" immigrant stereotype to varying amounts. It's weird.
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ihatepants posted:Unfortunately, there are a LOT of terrible Filipino-Americans who have the "gently caress You Got Mine" attitude, so they don't care (isn't this related to the common Filipino trait of "crab mentality"?). There's also a huge portion of FilAms who supported Duterte during the election because of his anti-corruption stance (or because they're from Davao), so they still support him because of cognitive dissonance at this point. Can't dig up the source right now, but I believe there was one poll that showed that Fil-Americans are the group that has the largest percentage of Trump supporters across all Asian-American ethnicities. On the one hand, all of the Asian-American groups are majority breaking for Clinton, but on the other hand I don't know how much of that is about Trump being an exceptionally bad candidate, since polling in prior election cycles does reflect that Fil-Ams trend heavily Republican. I think it has to do with how much Fil-Am immigrants are from the middle and upper-class, so there's a strong FYGM mentality at work.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Can't dig up the source right now, but I believe there was one poll that showed that Fil-Americans are the group that has the largest percentage of Trump supporters across all Asian-American ethnicities. I feel a lot of this has to do with the special brand of crazy Catholicism we have at home as well as our colonial mentality and obsession with being and acting white as hell.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Can't dig up the source right now, but I believe there was one poll that showed that Fil-Americans are the group that has the largest percentage of Trump supporters across all Asian-American ethnicities. The Asian break from the Republican party occurred way back in the 1990s and 'formally' occurred (more Dem than Rep) in 1996. Since 2004, the split has been extremely partisan toward Dem.  This next figure shows support for Romney among Asian subgroups:  And here is some data for Trump from May: quote:Trump’s favorability ratio is a terrible 19-61. There’s not a huge amount of variation by nation of origin, either, in case you are wondering if the numbers are skewed by Muslims. Trump’s best national-origin category is Vietnamese at 22-57; his worst is Koreans at 10-80. Source: NYMag And from 538, more recent data (October) shows he has made a few inroads with a few Asian communities:  So Trump's support among Asians is WAY worse than Romney or any other Republican in history. These inroads must be related to Duterte's rise, in my opinion. Shammypants fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Fojar38 posted:I can't imagine the Philippine military or foreign policy establishment are pleased about all this Honestly, at this point I would not be surprised to see members of the government, especially Defense Secretary Lorenzana, resign. I think Yasay is too much of an old buddy of Duterte's (and is also only on board until end of June when Cayetano can take over) to quit but there has got to be some incredible frustration in Manila.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Can't dig up the source right now, but I believe there was one poll that showed that Fil-Americans are the group that has the largest percentage of Trump supporters across all Asian-American ethnicities. http://naasurvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/NAAS2016-Oct5-report.pdf Not just the highest percentage of Trump supporters, but also the highest percentage of people who don't want the government doing more to help put black people and white people on equal footing, the highest percentage against the Affordable Care Act, the highest percentage opposed to letting Syrian refugees into America, and tied for the highest for opposing emission control to mitigate climate change. At least we aren't the worst at wanting Muslims banned?
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Huhhh. And the only Catholic majority Asian immigrant group. Whouda thoughit
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Argue posted:http://naasurvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/NAAS2016-Oct5-report.pdf Hey, even if they're the worst Asian Americans, they're still not nearly as bad as white Americans!
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ihatepants posted:I guess Filipinos are obsessed with being white that much. The difference being that Filipino prime time television consists of almost entirely angry shouting and crying. To nobody's surprise, the working-class and poors of the Philippines absolutely don't like how things are turning out. I hope the few relatives from the side of my family worth giving a poo poo about who still live there are okay 
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Spin! Pivot! Pirouette! Duterte says he will not sever US ties - Rappler quote:DAVAO, Philippines (UPDATED) – Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said on Saturday, October 22, he would [now] not sever his nation's alliance with the United States, as he clarified his announcement that he planned to "separate." Edit: I think the bit in bold is actually reported badly by Rappler and Duterte was talking about "them", the American military, getting out. chird fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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chird posted:Spin! Pivot! Pirouette! Pretty sure he's a failed Trump clone.
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CommieGIR posted:Pretty sure he's a failed Trump clone.
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sincx posted:Unlike Trump, he contained his crazy long enough to actually get elected. No, he ran on a platform of slaughtering drug addicts in the street without trial. People voted for him, knowing this.
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BarbarianElephant posted:No, he ran on a platform of slaughtering drug addicts in the street without trial. People voted for him, knowing this. Lets be honest, if a Republican ran in the primary on killing illegals there is a distinct possibility they could get a plurality of primary voters and that the RNC wouldn't rat gently caress them out of the nomination. I was wondering but are there any good resources on Chinese over seas investments? As well as how well such investments benefit the countries they invest in? Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Crowsbeak posted:I was wondering but are there any good resources on Chinese over seas investments? As well as how well such investments benefit the countries they invest in? I can then give you a buncha African examples but for a variety of reasons, the situation in the Philippines is different enough that they are of relatively limited use, but they give a glimpse at least at how they operate. This journal is open to the public and is a good starting point. Cheru and Obi are pretty highly respected academics and I'd definitely trust any articles they vouch for. Most of my other primary sources you'd either have to buy or get through journal access though; my copies are on my kindle and I haven't the foggiest how to get them out~ You can also just ask questions I guess? I'm pretty busy these days but eh, maybe I'd answer them.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Yep, but a lot of the stuff was rendered outdated with first the financial crisis and then the shale oil boom. Thankyou very much this could be very helpful.
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Never thought I'd live to see the day someone called deceitful penguin helpful i mean this in a good way.
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It may just be a deception. Deceitful, if you will.
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When I saw this in the news, it struck me as staggeringly incompetent on the part of Filipino Trump. The US (for really obvious reasons) says that extra-judicial murder of drug-dealers is a bit screwed up, and he throws this hissy fit and says "Well maybe i'll turn to Russia and China. How would you like that?" In the short term, it might seem like a nice way to get back at apparent US meddling. But the fact is that China claims an enormous amount of the South China Sea, including areas well within waters that the Philippines has a much better claim to. Fishing areas used by Filipinos for generations are now being blocked by Chinese warships. Indeed, international courts ruled in favor of the Philippines a few months ago, whereupon China predictably told the court to go gently caress itself. Does Filipino Trump truly believe that by aligning his country with China that they might perhaps give their land, or rather offshore waters, back? Hell no. The CCP is probably laughing their asses off about this behind the scenes because they are going to get to take advantage of an idiot who seems set on burning the bridge to the one country that actually could and would help the Philippines out in protecting itself from China's Imperialism. I wonder what the people of the Philippines think of all this. About having a leader who is being played for a fool all because he can't take some legitimate criticism over some messed up stuff he is doing. Yureina fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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If Doots can pull this off (cut relations with the US) it's basically game over in the Philippines, and he'll be able to go full dictator. Not because working with the US is some magical panacea, but rather if he can do it without: A)any external handlers/money men realizing that the bread for their butter would go away, and stopping him B)Some vestigial element of the rest of the government discovering a spine and realizing it's a terrible idea C)a population that polls overwhelmingly positive for the US, more than any country in the world including the US freaking out Then that means he's got the levers of power thoroughly locked down. Luckily he's already walking it back apparently.
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Pretty sure he's not walking back anything, I reckon the plan all along has been to get money from both the Chinese and Americans. Now he has his Chinese money I'm sure some doors will be opening to the Americans. A rather unsubtle ploy but there you go.
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I'm not so sure. He's said to have a history of hating the US for denying him a visa, and hating the US in general. He's literally blamed the US for the high death toll and destruction the Philippines suffered during WWII. You know, the war where the Japanese occupied the Philippines and sent people on death marches.
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Flayer posted:Pretty sure he's not walking back anything, I reckon the plan all along has been to get money from both the Chinese and Americans. Now he has his Chinese money I'm sure some doors will be opening to the Americans. A rather unsubtle ploy but there you go. You're giving him way too much credit, and his current legacy is: He's an idiot that can't figure out what side of the street he wants to play ball on.
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CommieGIR posted:You're giving him way too much credit, and his current legacy is: He's an idiot that can't figure out what side of the street he wants to play ball on. Nah, he's an idiot that wants to play on both sides of the street and thinks he's clever enough to pull it off
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Some incisive Taiwanese commentary on Duterte https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0_DLnyM3s0
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CronoGamer posted:Some incisive Taiwanese commentary on Duterte We're doing news the wrong way.
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muike posted:Never thought I'd live to see the day someone called deceitful penguin helpful Too bad the dude got probated, but if ehh, it will still be relevant a week from now and maybe we'll have info on the nature of the loans then CronoGamer posted:Some incisive Taiwanese commentary on Duterte
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CronoGamer posted:Some incisive Taiwanese commentary on Duterte  Xelkelvos posted:Nah, he's an idiot that wants to play on both sides of the street and thinks he's clever enough to pull it off
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Yes, like the amount of times this strategy has worked for anyone in the real world, This was constantly done during the Cold War, it continued afterwards in a lesser form and several resource driven countries have used Chinese bidders to up prices for their resources
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CronoGamer posted:Some incisive Taiwanese commentary on Duterte how on earth is this video not flooded with pro-duterte comments
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The Saddest Rhino posted:how on earth is this video not flooded with pro-duterte comments
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The Saddest Rhino posted:how on earth is this video not flooded with pro-duterte comments I'd actually love to see anti-duterte folks spreading it on social media and saying it was PRC chinese media laughing behind the Philippines' backs
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I don't think Duterte has any real long-term economic or military objectives in this display. It seem like empty grandstanding to demonstrate to the people at home how strong and important their he (and by extension the whole nation) is, and how it's not going to be bossed around by anyone anymore. Pretty traditional strongman rally the people behind the flag rhetoric really.
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I have some pro-Duterte friends who were also pretty rabidly anti-China and were expecting Duterte to show them who was boss. I wonder what they're thinking now, because they are being... quite silent on Facebook.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Angola, Iceland, Israel, Sweden, India; these are only the examples I know personally. Sri Lanka and Titoist Yugoslavia, too, in entirely different ways! Well okay, it might be a bit early to call the results of SL's current round of "take money from everybody as long as SL gets to retain control", but I'm optimistic, especially under the Sirisena coalition. Last I heard the satellite facility was still going forward and Sirisena had reached a revised agreement on China's big port expansion project that was more favorable to SL than the previous Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Argue posted:I have some pro-Duterte friends who were also pretty rabidly anti-China and were expecting Duterte to show them who was boss. I wonder what they're thinking now, because they are being... quite silent on Facebook. Pinoy relative in America upon Duterte's return to Phils posted:NoyPis Turn off ur bias and listen....Tag-an pa lagi ko daghana sakay dayon oy front seat pa gyud. :-D.... noyPis kalma lang ayaw'g dayon panic react sa istorya ni Digong. hahahha
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