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Crazycryodude posted:Piracy? You're not supposed to say that aloud.
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Oct 22, 2016 00:06
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remember years and years ago, when i posted a bunch of magic that was supposed to make you better at hunting or whatever? well i was looking at an antiques dealer's website, and i found this: http://www.peterszuhay.com/ads/three-hunting-amulets/ ferret jaws and silver, upper Tyrol, 1800s
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Oct 22, 2016 00:30
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Hegel, would you mind reposting the 17th c letter?
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Oct 22, 2016 00:33
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Hogge Wild posted:Hegel, would you mind reposting the 17th c letter?
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Oct 22, 2016 00:35
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HEY GAL posted:which one? eh, i don't remember what it was about, i think it was mainly posted as an example for the rest of us to show what the script looked like just post some letter 
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Oct 22, 2016 00:42
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Hogge Wild posted:eh, i don't remember what it was about, i think it was mainly posted as an example for the rest of us to show what the script looked like  
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Oct 22, 2016 00:48
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HEY GAL posted:here ya go, wallenstein thanks! i'm too tired atm, but i'll make somekind of post about machine vision during the weekend
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Oct 22, 2016 00:57
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Hogge Wild posted:thanks! Excited to see this!
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Oct 22, 2016 01:27
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Chump Farts posted:I'm trying to build up my Eastern Front library for grad school and, uh, is there a way to get Franz Halder's diary that isn't 50 bucks or more? poo poo seems more rare and expensive than I thought it would be. Check if your school has an online access system, I got a load of expensive milhist books in PDF format off my unis UK access federation account.
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Oct 22, 2016 02:20
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Is there a good WW1 podcast people recommend?
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Oct 22, 2016 03:49
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Telsa Cola posted:Is there a good WW1 podcast people recommend? Don't listen to Dan Carlin, I can tell you that much.
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Oct 22, 2016 06:05
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Don't listen to Dan Carlin, I can tell you that much. Why not? I always see Hardcore History recommended.
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Oct 22, 2016 07:35
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Carlin is better the less you know. He paints with a really broad brush and subscribes to a lot of the "just think if this one guy hadn't done that one thing how different it would have gone" anecdotes that make good stories and mediocre history. I loved his Mongols series but then I knew gently caress all and was digging the broad narrative. I know a fair bit about 20th C Europe so I spent a lot of time rolling my eyes. It also hurts that he relies a lot on older scholarship, probably because that was generally the stuff written with the prettiest narrative style. Again I couldn't bitch about his sources with Mongolia but I found myself wanting to email him a reading list on pre ww1 German politics and diplomacy.
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Oct 22, 2016 07:48
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^^ Could not agree more with this. On the podcast front "Voices of the First World War" is good, and does exactly what it says on the tin. Well worth listening to, though episodes are rather short.
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Oct 22, 2016 08:04
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Looks like Massachussetts' Wus-tah was covered, how about Kentucky's Versailles? 
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Oct 22, 2016 09:30
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Loel posted:Looks like Massachussetts' Wus-tah was covered, how about Kentucky's Versailles?
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Oct 22, 2016 11:20
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Fusion Restaurant posted:Were most military records longform books like that? Or were they more like tables? Muster rolls, casualty lists, quartering lists, and lists of prisoners are almost always organized by single entries, like this:  This is the list of an infantry company's officers: a company's officers are called, collectively, the prima plana because their names are always on the first page of the roll, like they are here. They're closer together to fit all of them on one page, but entries for the common soldiers allow more space between the entries, probably so you can write notes later in the empty space. Sometimes you get tables. Although tables are more common at the turn of the 17th/18th century I've seen plenty from the 1640s and two from the 1630s. That is a tabbed casualty report from the 30s:  This is a table from the 1640s, summarizing the contents of company muster rolls for an entire regiment. Some tables are relatively simple, but the "master tables," like this one, could be very complex:  The tables in the collection of papers this one came from were often used as wrappers for muster rolls--so a bundle of papers would be muster rolls and quartering reports, etc., for individual companies, wrapped in a folder which summarizes those results for the regiment. Very useful to just glance at if you're on the way somewhere, and it also minimizes the amount of paper you have to carry around. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Oct 22, 2016 12:29
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Where did you get that copy of our accounts receivable spreadsheet?
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Oct 22, 2016 12:49
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FrozenVent posted:Where did you get that copy of our accounts receivable spreadsheet? HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Oct 22, 2016 12:54
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Telsa Cola posted:Is there a good WW1 podcast people recommend? I will once again tout History According to Bob. He was my high school history teacher, was easily the best teacher I've ever had, and his podcasts are pretty great. WWI was one of his areas of emphasis. That said he really needs to update his media, what the hell is a "CD" edit - http://www.ww1accordingtobob.com/ apparently he has a WWI specific site now, cool
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Oct 22, 2016 13:49
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Polyakov posted:Check if your school has an online access system, I got a load of expensive milhist books in PDF format off my unis UK access federation account. That's a great idea, I'll have to take a gander and see what digital options they have.
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Oct 22, 2016 14:12
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HEY GAL posted:it's interesting to me that the table was invented by people who still wrote in blackletter calligraphy. raise one of these guys from the dead and tell him about computers and he'd probably be ok with your accounts receivable spreadsheet--but he'd wonder why, when you printed it out, it wasn't beautifully decorated with all the squiggles you could muster The next Excel release must have an automatic squiggle decorator
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Oct 22, 2016 14:24
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Dan Carlin is a complete and total gobshite who's quite clearly leaning 90% on The Guns of August (it's an excellent book, but scholarship has moved on just slightly since 1962) and whose first WWI episode is the most grating thing imaginable because it's all based on the same thing over and over and over, in the same incredibly over-dramatic voice: OK SO HERE'S THE GERMANS WITH THIS MASSIVE MILITARY MACHINE AND IT'S SURELY MASSIVE AND UNSTOPPABLE, SCHLIEFFEN SCHLIEFFEN SCHLIEFFEN, but, LOOK OVER HERE, THE FRENCH WITH THEIR MASSIVE MILITARY MACHINE AND ELAN AND RED PANTS, A CLASH, A HUGE CLASH, UNLIKE ANY EVER SEEN BEFORE, [mangles some general's name hopelessly], AND IT'S A DISASTER, A CATASTOPHE, HOPELESS, [ridiculously over-dramatic reading from personal account], AND THEY'RE hosed, THE FRENCH ARE TOTALLY SCREWED, AND THEY'RE GOING BACK, AND IT'S ALL LOST, BUT THEN, BUT THEN, A THING, A HUGE THING, AND THE GERMANS, IT'S HOPELESS NOW FOR THE GERMANS, THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH, AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY SCREWED NOW, BUT THEN, ANOTHER TURN, AND NOW THE FRENCH ARE hosed AGAIN, AND NOW THE GERMANS, AND NOW THE FRENCH, AND NOW THE GERMANS, AND NOW THE FRENCH He's about as subtle as a dreadnought. Everything that is happening right now is always and without fail the most serious and dramatic thing ever to happen in this or any war, and the
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Oct 22, 2016 14:25
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I think pop history has a place, but I hope people aren't replacing more nuanced views with just a pop version. Getting people initially hooked would be a good service, but I'm hoping that things like Dan Carlin inspire people to read further into each topic.
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Oct 22, 2016 14:38
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SeanBeansShako posted:Sadly they still are I fear for that nation when all the bitter reformed WW2 vets die off for good. I don't know. I've not played it but I've seen some video from Giant Bomb and similar and just in that I saw. Italian Front body armour turning you into a bullet proof superman. You know like this from Trin. https://makersley.com/unexpected-changes-somme-22-july-1916/ While wielding a Machine Gun naturally. Also the depiction of a Daylight Raid over London, by Gothas, and multiple Zeppelins, and escorted by Fighters. WW1 biplane fighters. Reaching London. From the Western Front.  Oh, and this is a small thing. Our Heroes launch to fend of this attack from a handy fighter parked on the turret of a handy Dreadnought. Ok, that'd probably be a scout and I'm not sure when Catapult launches became a thing.But whatever. No the thing that made me burst out laughing. It's moored a stones throw from the Houses of Parliament, past more bridges that it couldn't possible get under than I can be bothered to go count. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Oct 22, 2016 14:40
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Trin Tragula posted:AND THEY'RE hosed, THE FRENCH ARE TOTALLY SCREWED, AND THEY'RE GOING BACK, AND IT'S ALL LOST, BUT THEN, BUT THEN, A THING, A HUGE THING, AND THE GERMANS, IT'S HOPELESS NOW FOR THE GERMANS, THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH, AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY SCREWED NOW, BUT THEN, ANOTHER TURN, AND NOW THE FRENCH ARE hosed AGAIN, AND NOW THE GERMANS, AND NOW THE FRENCH, AND NOW THE GERMANS, AND NOW THE FRENCH
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Oct 22, 2016 14:40
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Battlefield one is a bit weird because all the footage I've seen is people running around with machineguns, semi automatic rifles, and interwar light tanks. Which, uh, considering battlefield 1942 was mostly people running around with bolt actions with some BARs thrown in, seems a bit weird? It seems less historical and more history-proximal-information-product. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Oct 22, 2016 14:55
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OwlFancier posted:Battlefield one is a bit weird because all the footage I've seen is people running around with machineguns, semi automatic rifles, and interwar light tanks. Also Turkey has FT-17s in what is either the Sinai or the Suez scenario and Germany (I think?) has AT rockets.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:01
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Deptfordx posted:= Pretty sure the ramps on turrets didn't have catapults. They just used the headwind from the ship under steam to get the plane going in a very short takeoff run.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:02
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JcDent posted:The next Excel release must have an automatic squiggle decorator
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Oct 22, 2016 15:03
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OwlFancier posted:Battlefield one is a bit weird because all the footage I've seen is people running around with machineguns, semi automatic rifles, and interwar light tanks. Battlefield 1942 was people wingwalking on B-17s and mostly using automatic weapons as well. Two out of four classes carried automatic weapons and in the expansions the engineers got a semi-automatic rifle too. It was a fun game because they deliberately let everything interact with everything so you can get on a machine gun at random and shoot down a sky god. Games tend to be a lot better when they understand that they're games and should just go crazy rather than try to be realistic because it never works.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:04
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Battlefield One suffers from the fact that for the past decade or so the mainstream shooter market has been basically 100% set in some relatively modern or futuristic time period, so the millions and millions of potential customers have grown accustomed to (and in some cases literally grown up with nothing but) fast-paced combat, automatic weapons, tanks that move quicker than a walking pace, etc. BF1942 could pull off its relative realism in terms of equipment (which tbh still wasn't very realistic as Panzeh points out) because it was a pretty new market with no expectations and the only competition was Halo. Nowadays that's anything but the case - very few people want a realistic WWI experience. Basically, EA could've made a triple A version of Verdun, or they could've made the millions and millions of dollars their board members demanded. It's not too hard to guess which way they went (they're a company after all, let's not pretend that their main motivation is anything other than making money), so what we get is a WWI themed reskin of the last 8 Battlefield games. The customers get what they're used to in a new flavor, EA gets their money, and WWI nerds think longingly about what could have been and then go back to playing Verdun.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:14
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Crazycryodude posted:Battlefield One suffers from the fact that for the past decade or so the mainstream shooter market has been basically 100% set in some relatively modern or futuristic time period, so the millions and millions of potential customers have grown accustomed to (and in some cases literally grown up with nothing but) fast-paced combat, automatic weapons, tanks that move quicker than a walking pace, etc. BF1942 could pull off its relative realism in terms of equipment (which tbh still wasn't very realistic as Panzeh points out) because it was a pretty new market with no expectations and the only competition was Halo. Nowadays that's anything but the case - very few people want a realistic WWI experience. Basically, EA could've made a triple A version of Verdun, or they could've made the millions and millions of dollars their board members demanded. It's not too hard to guess which way they went (they're a company after all, let's not pretend that their main motivation is anything other than making money), so what we get is a WWI themed reskin of the last 8 Battlefield games. The customers get what they're used to in a new flavor, EA gets their money, and WWI nerds think longingly about what could have been and then go back to playing Verdun. And then you realize that some ideas are pretty bad for video games and Verdun is one of them.
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Deptfordx posted:I don't know. I've not played it but I've seen some video from Giant Bomb and similar and just in that I saw. The war stories seem to be much better portraying the characters as human beings. As for the over the top nature well it is a video game and the 2nd half of the pilot war story is complete bullshit. Also, the real life Italian offensives might be too depressing even for a video game to try and adapt. HEY GAL posted:spectators_at_a_tennis_game.gif I was going to say this is a lot like lovely sports commentary myself.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:20
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Deptfordx posted:Also the depiction of a Daylight Raid over London, by Gothas, and multiple Zeppelins, and escorted by Fighters. WW1 biplane fighters. Reaching London. From the Western Front. Can you tell me more about this? A daylight raid by Zeppelins over the British isles, let alone London, in 1917 sounds suicidal.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:20
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Hey I happen to ENJOY Verdun. It certainly isn't for everyone, though.Nebakenezzer posted:Can you tell me more about this? A daylight raid by Zeppelins over the British isles, let alone London in 1917 sounds suicidal. Rule of Cool trumps logic in video game design. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Oct 22, 2016 15:20
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A fun game beats a 100% accurate one.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:28
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I mean if you're going to do that I would have just gone with the battlefield 2142 route and released Battlefield: Steampunk and thrown in giant brass crab tanks as well, it'd look nicer and play cooler.
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Agean90 posted:A fun game beats a 100% accurate one. Crazycryodude enjoys Verdun, I tried it for almost 40 hours with some goon friends and well I have concluded at least with trench warfare in western europe WW1 is a really hard setting to pin down if you want to do an accurate realism sort of product. Most of my memories of Verdun is oppressive pin point Counter Strike sniping. It only got fun for me towards the end after unlocking some of the more exotic non bolt action rifles but the curse and temptation of being a super leet video game sniper will always ruin games with a more static defense heavy design. Roll on Battlefield WW1, It might be over the top and dumb in some bits but the game itself is made by gigantic WW1 nerds who want to have fun. It has a pretty detailed and well written codex which (hilariously) Trin uses and even Guns of August! OwlFancier posted:I mean if you're going to do that I would have just gone with the battlefield 2142 route and released Battlefield: Steampunk and thrown in giant brass crab tanks as well, it'd look nicer and play cooler. They tried with Codename Eagle before 1942, It flopped hardcore and until EA is confident enough to let DICE call the shots every Battlefield game will always use the setting as dressing and stick to their core mechanics.
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