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With Atlanta and now this, everything's coming up Donglover
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Wait, the good thing to do was abandon his friends to suffer and die?
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Oct 21, 2016 22:25
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That's awesome casting news.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:29
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Hell yeah. Glover is awesome
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Oct 21, 2016 22:39
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Black Bones posted:So are these guys dustbusters or what? Menial maintenance tasks, mostly. Including garbage pickup and small repairs.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:46
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Also solving button-pushing puzzles in Jedi Outcast.
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Oct 21, 2016 22:52
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jivjov posted:Menial maintenance tasks, mostly. Including garbage pickup and small repairs. They are proto-roombas
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Oct 21, 2016 23:00
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I am all about this Donald Glover as Lando business. That's a casting choice that works every time.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:29
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Phi230 posted:my god what have I done In a way you also have directed the Prequels You are George Lucas.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:31
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Uncle Wemus posted:Wait, the good thing to do was abandon his friends to suffer and die? Yes. Although it's more accurately an ethical decision that's beyond good and evil. This has little to do with 'having emotion'. Luke obviously cares a lot about his friends/family, but he nonetheless makes the sad choice to lay down his arms - because he refuses to let his attachment to them distract from his pacifist duty. Let the wookie win.
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Oct 21, 2016 23:43
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Yes. Although it's more accurately an ethical decision that's beyond good and evil. I'm not sure exactly when you're talking about but if we're talking about Luke's choice to go to Cloud City The choice was between (1) let his friends die and (2) finish jedi training Lets analyze each choice We already know the end result of 1. Everybody lives, The Empire's victory is lessened, Luke grows as a character and learns the Truth, that being that Obi Wan and Yoda are lying to and manipulating Luke to use him as a hapless assassin. 2: This may be the "wise" choice to finish training but then all his friends die at Yoda's insistence for Luke to be an emotionless drone. He then becomes a tool for Yoda and Obi-wan and assassinates Vader and Emperor. Who knows what happens but probably not good.
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Oct 22, 2016 00:04
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How does Jar Jar know that seven wupiupi is a lot of money?
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Oct 22, 2016 02:41
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General Dog posted:How does Jar Jar know that seven wupiupi is a lot of money? He just knows it's more wupiupi than he has.
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Oct 22, 2016 02:43
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Jar Jar is clumsy, but I bet he eats pussy like an all-star.
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Oct 22, 2016 02:57
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General Dog posted:Jar Jar is clumsy, but I bet he eats pussy like an all-star. This reminds me, there's inter-species romance in Star Wars but there are no hybrid characters. That's surprisingly realistic.
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Oct 22, 2016 03:07
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Is the podrace longer in the dvd/blu-ray release? I'm watching for the first time since I had it on VHS and there's a bunch of stuff I don't remember
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Oct 22, 2016 03:21
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General Dog posted:Is the podrace longer in the dvd/blu-ray release? I'm watching for the first time since I had it on VHS and there's a bunch of stuff I don't remember It appears so, yes. http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html?post_id=79063&action=report
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Oct 22, 2016 03:33
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Phi230 posted:I'm not sure exactly when you're talking about but if we're talking about Luke's choice to go to Cloud City 1.) "save" his friends 2.) Continue training in the result of 1 luke goes to cloud city saves nobody and almost is killed or turned by darth vader only being saved by his decision to let go and take a leap of faith trusting in his friends to save him (this is juxtaposed against his failure on dagobah to trust them to save themselves) also the insistence that you have to be emotionless to let go of attachments is basically the biggest failure of the jedi and practically sith propaganda. that is why you fail
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Oct 22, 2016 05:31
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In theory, there was nothing wrong with Luke going to rescue his friends. Like Obi-Wan says in the next movie, his feelings of love for his friends do him credit. The problem is he was going for the wrong reasons and with the wrong attitude: he was more focused on his own emotional inability to cope with them dying than he was on what he knew his friends themselves would have wanted, and furthermore his motives were horribly tainted by his desire for vengeance on Vader. If he was in a more advanced place emotionally, then he could have gone to save them without there being any problem. But in that case he wouldn't have needed more training, and so he wouldn't have even been facing a dilemma about leaving. edit: Here's Kershner and Lucas on the issue: The Making of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back posted:“This is a film of life and death, of great urgency,” Kershner says. “There is a great deal at stake and as Shakespeare said, ‘Tell the story of a king or queen and the death of one of them is of great interest to everyone, including the chimney sweep.’ In this one, we’re dealing with kings and queens and emperors. Its philosophical content is talked about in this scene between Yoda and Luke. It is the great dilemma of the entire film. In making his decision to rescue his friends, Luke reveals his character flaw or his character strength. This element of ambiguity makes it very rich. His decision is a moral decision and a political decision: He leaves his training before he’s finished—at the expense of a greater vision for the good of all, let’s say. Yes, he’d love to save the entire galaxy from the Empire, but he feels it’s more important to save his friends at this moment.” Elfgames posted:also the insistence that you have to be emotionless to let go of attachments is basically the biggest failure of the jedi and practically sith propaganda. that is why you fail I'm not sure the Jedi were ever saying that. Especially not Obi-Wan. For all his other massive faults as a father and a teacher, Obi-Wan never shames Anakin simply for having emotions. In fact, whenever the issue comes up, it seems like Obi-Wan tries to meet Anakin halfway and does his best to try to comfort him. For example, at the beginning of Episode II, he goes out of his way to try to cheer Anakin up after their argument by reassuring him that Padme was happy to see them. That's not something a jerk who thinks emotions are evil would do. That's why Obi-Wan remains such a likable character despite all his other faults. He obviously genuinely cares about Anakin and wants to make things work. The problem is he just doesn't understand Anakin very well sometimes--and that's really not such a horrible crime for a father to be guilty of. One of the main problems is not that they totally disagree with each other about the fundamental issues lying at the core of their relationship--in fact, they both care about one another a great deal--but rather that they just have no idea how to actually talk to each other without letting their emotions cloud the message. It's the same problem Padme pegs as being at the heart of the conflict between the Republic and the Separatists: a lack of honest communication. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Oct 22, 2016 06:09
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I watched Return of the Jedi for the first time in a long time and I thought it was pretty loving bad, Jabba and the Endor moon stuff was all way cheesier than I remember, which surprised me cause I'm an OT lover. I do love the starfighter battles in these movies though and I would love a Rogue Squadron or some kind of pilot based movie.
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Oct 22, 2016 06:47
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Donald Glover is a fantastic choice for the role. He is a fantastic match for Lord & Miller's sensibilities. He will do great. But he's not Michael B. Jordan 
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Oct 22, 2016 08:33
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feedmyleg posted:Donald Glover is a fantastic choice for the role. He is a fantastic match for Lord & Miller's sensibilities. He will do great. Michael B. Jordan doesn't even bear a passing resemblance to Billy Dee Williams, which is at least somewhat important. Donald Glover is an excellent choice. I can easily see him embodying the Billy Dee vibe.
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Oct 22, 2016 09:29
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Cnut the Great posted:Michael B. Jordan doesn't even bear a passing resemblance to Billy Dee Williams, which is at least somewhat important. Donald Glover is an excellent choice. I can easily see him embodying the Billy Dee vibe. I've never seen him be smooth in anything so idk.
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Oct 22, 2016 11:42
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Black Bones posted:So are these guys dustbusters or what? You can see squads of Stormtroopers following them around the Death Star. While I'm sure they do generic slave droid functions, I think their primary function was to show people where to go. You're sure as poo poo not going to be able to remember where the hell you're going in a workplace the size of a moon, especially if you've never been their before. You could get lost for months on the Death Star. So these things would have maps of the Death Star and lead you to where you'd need to go and save you the fate of starving to death in corridor 392272899-B trying to find the shitter.
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Oct 22, 2016 11:48
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blackshreds posted:I watched Return of the Jedi for the first time in a long time and I thought it was pretty loving bad, Jabba and the Endor moon stuff was all way cheesier than I remember, which surprised me cause I'm an OT lover. All this is true but 100% counterweighted by having everything involving the emperor be the pinnacle of Star Wars.
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Oct 22, 2016 16:02
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blackshreds posted:I watched Return of the Jedi for the first time in a long time and I thought it was pretty loving bad, Jabba and the Endor moon stuff was all way cheesier than I remember, which surprised me cause I'm an OT lover. The older I get, the more I agree that RotJ is a big letdown compared to the first two. Luke and Leia's contrasting attempts to deal with Jabba are pretty enjoyable, same with the barge fight, but the movie really seems to lose its way until it gets to the throne room. Not a big fan of the methods used to recruit the Ewoks, and the "best Imperial troops" getting completely punked by them really lessens the impact of defeating them.
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Oct 22, 2016 16:11
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I've long maintained that everything that takes place on the Death Star II is as good as most stuff in Empire. Everything else is from a much, much lesser film. As a kid you don't see just how sidelined Han is. He might as well not be in the film, it's pretty absurd. Though the production design of all the Jabba stuff is on-loving-point.
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Oct 22, 2016 17:08
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Filthy Casual posted:Not a big fan of the methods used to recruit the Ewoks, them. What do you mean by this?
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Oct 22, 2016 17:14
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Cnut the Great posted:What do you mean by this? Commanding C3PO to pose as one of their deities. There's definitely worse ways to avoid being eaten, but that leads into the question of why the first primitive society depicted in SW has an overwhelming need to eat other sentient beings. Just rubs me the wrong way, especially when they make a point of subverting expectations like that in other entries (see: Gungans).
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Oct 22, 2016 21:39
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Gungans are an advanced civilization; what with energy bubble underwater cities and all. Ewoks are literal tribal savages.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:42
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jivjov posted:Gungans are an advanced civilization; what with energy bubble underwater cities and all. Ewoks are literal tribal savages. Oh, word?
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Oct 22, 2016 21:44
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Ewoks are a technological society, but in Star Wars, if you don't have hovering vehicles and abundant artificial lighting, you ain't poo poo.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:48
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Serf posted:Oh, word? I got the definite impression from RotJ (though I know the Ewok movies mess with this a bit) that they had never seen humans before. They reacted to an unknown threat, not just "Welp, gonna roast me up some sapient life forms!"
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Oct 22, 2016 21:49
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jivjov posted:I got the definite impression from RotJ (though I know the Ewok movies mess with this a bit) that they had never seen humans before. They reacted to an unknown threat, not just "Welp, gonna roast me up some sapient life forms!" The point here is that they aren't savages because they aren't animals.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:50
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Serf posted:The point here is that they aren't savages because they aren't animals. Depends on how you want to define "animal" really. Humans are animals.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:52
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jivjov posted:Depends on how you want to define "animal" really. Humans are animals. Good point. Still doesn't make calling them "savages" any less hosed up.
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Oct 22, 2016 21:54
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jivjov posted:I got the definite impression from RotJ (though I know the Ewok movies mess with this a bit) that they had never seen humans before. They reacted to an unknown threat, not just "Welp, gonna roast me up some sapient life forms!" I guess they thought the Imperial troops were like robots or something?
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Oct 22, 2016 21:55
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Serf posted:Good point. Still doesn't make calling them "savages" any less hosed up. Killing, and cooking, people is pretty savage behavior.
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Oct 22, 2016 22:09
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spacetoaster posted:Killing, and cooking, people is pretty savage behavior. From my point of view, blowing up planets is savage behavior.
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Ewoks weren't eating ewoks.
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