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Oct 23, 2016 17:19
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That good ole Ennis terrible poo poo.
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Oct 23, 2016 17:51
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Ashikan judan posted:Nobody ever seems to be trying to "make good from the wreckage" of the time Peter backhanded Mary Jane across a room. Probably because writers rightly moved on and ignored it instead of dwelling on it for two decades. Well I mean that marriage never happened thanks to Mephisto so why bother.
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Oct 23, 2016 17:53
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goldenoreos posted:Well I mean that marriage never happened thanks to Mephisto so why bother. Technically everything that happened in the marriage still happened! Except the parts that didn't?
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Oct 23, 2016 17:55
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bunnyofdoom posted:That good ole Ennis terrible poo poo. Yeah, though "Giant Sized Ma'am Thing" is pretty great.
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Oct 23, 2016 18:05
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bunnyofdoom posted:That good ole Ennis terrible poo poo. At least Spidey has been able to no sell Punisher from time to time.
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Oct 23, 2016 18:37
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Choco1980 posted:Yeah, though "Giant Sized Ma'am Thing" is pretty great. 
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Oct 23, 2016 18:58
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So uh, I don't know anything about the Punisher. What's the deal with the Russian here?
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Oct 23, 2016 19:01
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Dexie posted:So uh, I don't know anything about the Punisher. What's the deal with the Russian here? In an earlier storyline (the first Ennis Punisher?), the Russian was a very large, very tough, not very bright guy who beat the poo poo out of Frank until he eventually outsmarted him. (Think about Oddjob or Jaws from the James Bond movies. Guys where you hit 'em with gold bricks and they don't give a poo poo.) I think explosives were involved. He might have been entirely decapitated, which is why he's undergone so much physical change since his previous appearance. (Note the stitches and pipes and wires connecting head to torso.)
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Oct 23, 2016 19:08
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Choco1980 posted:Yeah, though "Giant Sized Ma'am Thing" is pretty great. I'm also rather partial to the WHEEEEE panels.
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Oct 23, 2016 19:13
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prefect posted:In an earlier storyline (the first Ennis Punisher?), the Russian was a very large, very tough, not very bright guy who beat the poo poo out of Frank until he eventually outsmarted him. (Think about Oddjob or Jaws from the James Bond movies. Guys where you hit 'em with gold bricks and they don't give a poo poo.) I think explosives were involved. He might have been entirely decapitated, which is why he's undergone so much physical change since his previous appearance. (Note the stitches and pipes and wires connecting head to torso.) He was originally killed by having a morbidly obese fat sit on his face for an hour until he suffocated. Really. Ennis is really weird. EDIT: for the record, I do own the TPB of welcome back Frank, and Ennis sometimes really makes me wince badly.
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Oct 23, 2016 19:24
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prefect posted:In an earlier storyline (the first Ennis Punisher?), the Russian was a very large, very tough, not very bright guy who beat the poo poo out of Frank until he eventually outsmarted him. (Think about Oddjob or Jaws from the James Bond movies. Guys where you hit 'em with gold bricks and they don't give a poo poo.) I think explosives were involved. He might have been entirely decapitated, which is why he's undergone so much physical change since his previous appearance. (Note the stitches and pipes and wires connecting head to torso.) Oh, he was entirely decapitated: 
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Oct 23, 2016 19:52
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I've always been partial to the Spidey/Russian comic because it ends with the Punisher using an unconscious Spider-Man as a human shield to absorb all the Russian's attacks. After the fight is over and Spidey comes too, he woozily asks what happened and Frank replies,"We had a team-up.... you were great."
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Oct 23, 2016 20:26
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Ennis is a weird, weird dude, but not really in the way where you think he might be driving at something interesting, either.
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Oct 23, 2016 22:55
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He's really very normal, he just has fondness for farce and lowbrow absurdity.
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Oct 23, 2016 23:17
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Sentinel Red posted:He's really very normal, he just has fondness for farce and lowbrow absurdity. And hard manly men making hard manly choices, not like those loving childish optimists.
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Oct 23, 2016 23:31
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bunnyofdoom posted:He was originally killed by having a morbidly obese fat sit on his face for an hour until he suffocated. Really. That's right -- Frank got the kill with an assist from Mister Bumppo. 
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Oct 23, 2016 23:44
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It's the combination of the two that really gets me. The gritty, hard manly men who know what needs to be done are not really my speed, but they're comprehensible. It's the fact that these macho, uncompromising characters also exist in a world of leering sexual mishap and grotesque, where dogs raping people and semen with blood in it are the height of comedy. It's sort of like Pulp Fiction by way of Pink Flamingos.
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Oct 23, 2016 23:46
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With a side note in all superheroes are useless. I do like that DD season 2 took the frank daredevil scene from welcome back frank and actually made daredevil not a strawman
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Oct 23, 2016 23:59
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Android Blues posted:Ennis is a weird, weird dude, but not really in the way where you think he might be driving at something interesting, either. He also wrote one of the best single issues about Superman pretty much ever.
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Oct 24, 2016 01:59
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Rhyno posted:He also wrote one of the best single issues about Superman pretty much ever. People bring this up, and other people are always like "well yeah but Ennis doesn't actually like Superman" and it's like, whatever, it was still a great story.
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Oct 24, 2016 02:15
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WickedHate posted:People bring this up, and other people are always like "well yeah but Ennis doesn't actually like Superman" and it's like, whatever, it was still a great story. He's on record saying how much he likes Superman actually.
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Oct 24, 2016 02:20
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Rhyno posted:He's on record saying how much he likes Superman actually. I know! But people argue about it.  "He doesn't wanna piss DC off" or whatever.
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Oct 24, 2016 02:24
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i find the idea that spiderman of all people wouldn't know how to deal with dudes stronger than he is very funny. like, spiderman only fights golden age style themed bank robbers or something so he isn't prepared to handle real, serious threats like this bargain basement cyborg.
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Oct 24, 2016 02:27
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i find the idea that spiderman of all people wouldn't know how to deal with dudes stronger than he is very funny. like, spiderman only fights golden age style themed bank robbers or something so he isn't prepared to handle real, serious threats like this bargain basement cyborg. Especially since it's been established that Spider-Man hitting somebody as hard as he can without thinking about it can kill them (Charlemagne). He's also been able to hang with super powered types in straight fistfights who have crazy stamina like Green Goblin, and he also beat the ever loving piss out of the Kingpin who is comparable in size to The Russian, although to be fair, I think that happened after this panel. Although I doubt Dillon and Ennis would care to begin with.
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Oct 24, 2016 03:11
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Especially since it's been established that Spider-Man hitting somebody as hard as he can without thinking about it can kill them (Charlemagne). He's also been able to hang with super powered types in straight fistfights who have crazy stamina like Green Goblin, and he also beat the ever loving piss out of the Kingpin who is comparable in size to The Russian, although to be fair, I think that happened after this panel. Although I doubt Dillon and Ennis would care to begin with. Wasn't there a scene where Spidey tells Frank that he pulls his punches most of the time and Frank would have no chance against him? Then Punisher tries to lay him out with a haymaker and Spidey doesn't even budge? Something like that.
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Oct 24, 2016 03:30
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flosofl posted:Wasn't there a scene where Spidey tells Frank that he pulls his punches most of the time and Frank would have no chance against him? Then Punisher tries to lay him out with a haymaker and Spidey doesn't even budge? Something like that. 
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Oct 24, 2016 03:33
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Pretty sure Spider-Man lifted the entire Daily Bugle office once when Aunt May was in danger
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Oct 24, 2016 03:37
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Ennis is from northern Ireland, which is notorious for producing people with a twisted sense of humor, and his early Punisher work comes out of his immediately post-Preacher period where he was justly renowned for his irreverence and controversy. He doesn't take superheroes particularly seriously, because he grew up on Judge Dredd, and he got and is getting a lot of cheap heat from superhero fans because he wrote a bunch of increasingly lowbrow jokes at superheroes' expense. A lot of his comedy does nothing for me (there are big broad swaths of his recently concluded A Train Called Love that keep me from recommending it to people, like an entire issue about a man who discovers that his beautiful, charming, slightly naive new girlfriend has appeared in bestiality videos), but when he's writing historical fiction, crime drama, or horror, Ennis is easily one of the single best working writers in the business today. Dreaming Eagles is a great book.
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Oct 24, 2016 04:25
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Was it Ennis that mocked the Joker in his Superman issue or am I thinking of someone else?
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Oct 24, 2016 05:26
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Landis. It was good but feel prey to the idea that Superman is faster than light which is all but established but still silly.
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Oct 24, 2016 05:30
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Trast posted:Was it Ennis that mocked the Joker in his Superman issue or am I thinking of someone else? I believe you're thinking of Landis.
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Oct 24, 2016 05:30
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That issue also was a reasoned critique of Joker's problems as a character in modern stories. Ennis just has superheroes and villains slip in doo doo and get knocked out. Then something goes in their butt, because gay.
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Oct 24, 2016 05:50
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I completely agreed with the comic's thesis, but it's way of conveying it carried the same attitude of 'Lol, this is what Christians actually believe'. And while the Joker characterization was perfect, Supes was pretty much just the same cocky-always-right straight man that deviantart comics are filled with.
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Oct 24, 2016 06:10
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What was that Joker one? Throw it up. Maybe also the Boners panels.
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Oct 24, 2016 10:48
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I completely agreed with the comic's thesis, but it's way of conveying it carried the same attitude of 'Lol, this is what Christians actually believe'. And while the Joker characterization was perfect, Supes was pretty much just the same cocky-always-right straight man that deviantart comics are filled with.  how he thinks the encounter would go. I still loved it because Lord knows the Joker needed to be taken down a peg. He's a good villain but he gets defied too much for a purple and green cipher.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:01
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mind the walrus posted:He's a good villain Not sure I agree with this.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:07
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Senior Woodchuck posted:In honor of the late, great, Steve Dillon, here's the best Preacher page: Maybe we'll finally start getting some Punisher comics where it's easier to keep track of who is who, because characters will start being drawn with different faces.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:06
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TwoPair posted:I believe you're thinking of Landis. That was the one that had the Joker slip through all the different depictions through each panel on one page, right?
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Oct 24, 2016 13:37
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MikeJF posted:That was the one that had the Joker slip through all the different depictions through each panel on one page, right?  Yes. Say what you will about Landis as a writer that issue had very good art.
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