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Night10194 posted:A lot of folks will tell you the greataxe is bad. These people are wrong (though I think the greathammer is better overall). It does a lot of damage to one target with the light attack, the sweep can hit up to 4 enemies pretty hard, the drawbacks are kinda poor range and a long wind-up. You'll want to dodge back after striking a lot. Also, you can combo out of the heavy attack with a light attack with no delay at all. I noticed that about the heavy+light combo, actually! I was enjoying my blue greathammer while I was using it but someone I played with told me I should be using shield. There does seem to be a rhythm to the heavy weapons where you have to kind of weave in and out as you charge your attacks. Shield has lots of bounce power, but I feel like a lot of times it just results in spending more time taking out stragglers because you knocked over a bunch of rats and everyone assumed they were dead. I like the 2-handers more so far.
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Ignite Memories posted:I was enjoying my blue greathammer while I was using it but someone I played with told me I should be using shield. Well they're wrong because the two handed hammer is a solid contender to shields
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Oct 21, 2016 01:07
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In general you will always do better with a weapon that 'clicks' with you than the 'optimal' weapon. If you find you're having fun and have a good sense of rhythm with the two-handers, go with 'em!
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Oct 21, 2016 01:11
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Night10194 posted:I would like it if his hand axe stopped sucking because drat is it satisfying to hit stuff with, it's just poo poo. If it could reliably one shot clan rats I would be all the gently caress over it.
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Oct 21, 2016 01:11
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:If it could reliably one shot clan rats I would be all the gently caress over it. This is really all it needs to be competitive, yes. Or at least usable.
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Oct 21, 2016 01:12
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If I was going to try to balance it, my first attempt would be to keep it really polarized but actually good at what it does well. Only ever hitting one rat at a time at medium swing speed is so utterly goddamn crippling in this game that I think it should have the best melee damage in the game to compensate. Make it do enough damage to bodyshot a clan rat on cataclysm. I think it would still be borderline unusable without teammates who were really good at CC, but the ability to slowly but surely chop through clan rats one by one on cataclysm would give it a valuable niche, as well as being a stormvermin/rat ogre destroyer. As it is you choose your melee to be generalist and your ranged to be specialist, so if you're going to have a specialist melee weapon then it should at least actually be great at its specialization.
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Oct 21, 2016 01:38
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That's why I've always said the Glaive feels like what the One Handed Axes should've been.
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Oct 21, 2016 01:40
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Was cataclysm changed to spawn hugely increased numbers of stormvermin now? It's happening on every level and I don't remember it being like this before. Horn of magnus ending event spawning what felt like 8-10 total, and almost constant groups of 2 on waterfront, like wheat and chaff.
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Oct 21, 2016 05:43
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It's random. Sometimes there's a lot. Sometimes the Magnus horde ends after 30 seconds.
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Oct 21, 2016 05:45
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Night10194 posted:The hammer and shield is trash garbage because the shield bash is much slower than the axe and shield, and the axe and shield is incredibly versatile and good at killing every single target in the game since its fast shield bash can tumble whole corridors of rats and the axe is really good at killing stormvermin and roger. One-handed hammer by itself is great, but hammer and shield is inexplicably bad. I have no idea why the charged attack is so much slower with it. The main reason hammer/mace and shield are bad is because they only use a three hit combo instead of a four hit. Instead of swing/swing/swing/bop, it's just swing/swing/bop and that is not enough to handle crowds. Couple that with the slow shield charge attack and both weapons are awful.
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Oct 21, 2016 06:43
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You must answer puppet rat's 3 riddles to enter
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Oct 23, 2016 01:57
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Got a Volley Crossbow orange at last, with Skullcracker, Hail of Doom, and Regrowth. Seems like a keeper though I'd prefer Extra Capacity or Extra Ammo to the Regrowth.
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Oct 23, 2016 02:15
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well, i haven't played this game in a while and i was sad to find out that the quest board requires you to beat all 11 vanilla missions as weird as it sounds that i haven't done that, i only got around to playing a little before i got distracted by life, and it seems remarkably hard to find matches even despite queuing up on hard mode (which i understand as being the bare miminum for actual difficulty)
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Oct 23, 2016 06:31
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Quest board isn't in the console version yet right?
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Oct 23, 2016 10:35
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I missed my first day since they added the board. I'm a fraud now
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Oct 23, 2016 14:27
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About the only thing I'd change on the Red Drakefires is replacing one of the traits with Targeteer.
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Oct 23, 2016 14:30
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i think dwarf is my all time favorite character so far and I thankfully got a blue 1h axe with bloodlust for him. still kind of lost as to what all is 'good' or not.
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Oct 24, 2016 00:14
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Elf is super good if you don't use her bow. That weapon causes more frustration and friendly fire than anything in the game, but her melee weapons are excellent. I've got a pair of orange daggers with swift slaying on them and the amount of headshots they pull off is insane.
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Oct 24, 2016 00:17
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The one handed axe is the worst melee weapon in the game. Absolutely anything else is better on the dwarf or witch hunter. With the elf's melee weapons your goal should be to get either a halberd or sword & dagger (definitely the easier of the two to get). The difference in quality between those and her other three options is massive.
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Oct 24, 2016 00:48
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well, that's good to know. hopefully i get some better weapons that aren't a 1h axe, then. might try the white 2h hammer in the meanwhile.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Elf is super good if you don't use her bow. That weapon causes more frustration and friendly fire than anything in the game, but her melee weapons are excellent. I've got a pair of orange daggers with swift slaying on them and the amount of headshots they pull off is insane. Same but the opposite, the trueflight longbow trivializes 90% of the game while her weapons never have enough stamina for my liking. Or that is, until I got an extra shield trait on an orange sword and dagger so they only have one less shield than an actual shield and now I can't play the elf because she's too easy.
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Oct 24, 2016 01:28
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my dislike of elves existed even before having vermintide, but good lord it really doesn't help matters
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holy poo poo, the dwarven 2-handed hammer is actually really fun for krumping stormvermin in the head. just got a grudgeraker i can replace this crossbow with, too.
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Oct 24, 2016 06:35
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Hammers are beautiful for those big overhead thumps they got, the way they make skaven crumple is just such great feeling feedback.
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Oct 24, 2016 07:51
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I'm bad at this game but Bright Wizard is awesome and I really like that charge up fire bolt staff because it means I can at least hitscan wipe out stormvermin and specials from across the map while trying to suck less at melee. Does Wizard ever get an okay-ish melee option?
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Willie Tomg posted:I'm bad at this game but Bright Wizard is awesome and I really like that charge up fire bolt staff because it means I can at least hitscan wipe out stormvermin and specials from across the map while trying to suck less at melee. Her flaming sword takes some practice but it's actually really great. If you get used to timing your blocks and pushes into the rhythm of going through a horde and practice when to use the big 'every enemy is on fire now' sword sweep with it, her flaming sword is a unique and really useful melee weapon.
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Both the wizard's swords are completely serviceable. They're similar enough that which one works better is usually individual preference. The normal sword works a bit better for me
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I prefer the flaming sword because I like the quick stab as the third stroke so I can keep a small group stunlocked and keep my Earthing Rune bleeding off charge so I can shotgun them. But the downward third stroke (and the Headshot bonus on charge attacks) on the normal sword let it do a lot more outright damage. I also actually like the mace but I wish to hell it didn't have the reverse of Kruber/Bardin's mace moveset. Leading off with the headbonk is bad and you kinda need to lead with a push to get around it.
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Oct 24, 2016 18:37
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The flaming sword sounds so much better that even if it were a worse weapon, I'd always use it.
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Why does Kruber's one-handed shortsword with no shield exist.
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If you push and start attack Siena's mace skips the bonk attack. I actually really like the bonk, it one shots slaves and makes killing lone clan rats reliable. I use the mace for the lose heat rune thing and it has the best regular click IMO.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:If you push and start attack Siena's mace skips the bonk attack. The main problem with the bonk is I'd prefer it be the combo ender for cleanup, so that I can get the rats flying around with a wide swing on the first stroke, like with Kruber's mace. But yeah, just push and then start the combo if you need to start tumblin' rats.
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Oct 24, 2016 22:42
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Excuse me it's called a battle scepter
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Ah, I find one rat will lead and then others pile in so I like to bonk that one. I use beam staff so I dont worry about crowd control too much. I prefer the trash duty guns. Everyone else typically has special deleters
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Night10194 posted:Why does Kruber's one-handed shortsword with no shield exist. Headshots on charged swing. If you can aim well, it is hilarious watching the heads fly like he just cut a rack of candles in half like Danny Kaye.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Headshots on charged swing. If you can aim well, it is hilarious watching the heads fly like he just cut a rack of candles in half like Danny Kaye. I will have to try this.
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So I'm going to guess that the bright mage that hard carried my last run with a rapid fire bolt staff that had basically no charge time and could be fired basically an arbitrary amount of time was using... nonconventional equipment?
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Depends how fast. You can let a bolt fly faster than one per second if you don't care about heat, and if you just vent a little bit in between bolts you can still keep it up at a really good rate. If you get one with the god-trio of traits on it (bloodlust, less heat, less venting damage) you can just eat all the venting damage and the staff will heal it all back up as you destroy entire waves by yourself on cataclysm. Meanwhile the left click can still kill basic rats extremely quickly on nightmare if you headshot, although that's probably not what you were seeing.
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xthetenth posted:So I'm going to guess that the bright mage that hard carried my last run with a rapid fire bolt staff that had basically no charge time and could be fired basically an arbitrary amount of time was using... nonconventional equipment? It is unconventional the way it functions right now, but the silver lining to it is they will never contribute when it matters most.
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