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From r/civ Firaxis Slowly Losing Ability to Make Small 2D Imagesquote:Looking into the UI files, it looks like they intended to have this information but forgot/ran out of time (don't worry about the code specifics, it's just that it's mentioned and isn't referenced in later code): It is now clear this game was released unfinished, Firaxs knows how unfinished it is, and the silence is higher than NoMansSky-levels. I can only presume that poor Sid has one of those diseases that eats away at your brain and you degenerate and don't know how much you've lost of your once greatness. , Were the guys from Beyond Earth responsible for these fiasco's of User Interface? Firaxs seems to have learnt every singe bad lesson from it! Also, Multiplayer has huge exploits, enough to make it unplayable unless you use them yourself quote:Selling units is completely broken along with no scale for chopping forest. It currently ruins online games and make it way to easy to cheese single player as well. The issues so far... Also this trading bug, which is un-ending and creates gold out of thin air (The AI doesn't have it, but the player will still receive it), though the post goes on to say it's not above Prince level): quote:Okay so the AI offers you a trade, say some gold for your luxury resource. Beyond infinite gold bugs destroying the economy, you also get this: quote:When attacking a city, and it's about to get captured, the owner can trade it to someone else, it then heals to full health. Not to mention that Multiplayer other players will never cede those cities you DID manage to take off him, making them hell-holes of occupation for the next 3000 years of your civilization. Comstar fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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The White Dragon posted:Normal and Quick are strategically satisfying, Epic and Marathon are narratively satisfying Civ is definitely more narrative for me. I don't tend to play the same civs each time because it's a different experience and I don't conquer people until quite late on. I would assume that's the case for most Epic players!
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Oct 24, 2016 11:49
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Comstar posted:It is now clear this game was released unfinished, Firaxs knows how unfinished it is, and the silence is higher than NoMansSky-levels. Wow, that's... Quite the statement there. I mean, there's stuff I'm hoping gets fixed too, but worse than NMS? Really? Taear posted:Civ is definitely more narrative for me. I don't tend to play the same civs each time because it's a different experience and I don't conquer people until quite late on. I would assume that's the case for most Epic players! Statements like this, plus people saying the ages "feel" better in Epic, make me want to try it out a lot. Will have to do so after I get some sleep.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:04
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So far, I love Civ VI. It's not without its flaws though. - What would speed up the game a fuckload would be the ability to build stuff FROM your districts. It'd be cool to build granaries and poo poo from your city center, but units from your military districts, traders from your commercial district etc. etc. etc. You could develop your cities while building an army at the same time. - Civs need to be a whole lot less lovely about war. I was on a continent with China and Russia. Russia tried to invade me. I beat his army and took control of his capital and another city because then it joined my territory to his. China invaded me with warriors when I had infantry. They lost their capital as well. Even though I did not declare war, every Civ constantly denounces me for being a warmonger. I don't mind a BIT of a penalty, but there's no hope of me getting any sort of alliances or stuff going now. It's a bit too extreme. - The unit progression needs a few more steps because you can seriously get hosed if you don't have the right resource. I went from Roman Legionaries -> Infantry because I didn't have any Ninite. I was a fair way ahead of the other civs in all other scientific respects, but if somebody walked in with Muskets, I would have been completely hosed. There was way too big of a gap between Swords -> Infantry and that resource-specific unit in between can make things awful if you don't have that resource. - UI needs work. The game also needs to be a fair bit more transparent in terms of new mechanics as well. I know we'll get used to it, but it'd be easier to get into the game otherwise. - Jesus gently caress fix loving trade from Civ V. But otherwise, the game kicks rear end. There's a lot of cool ideas here that I hope get expanded in future expansions.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:04
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Roland Jones posted:Wow, that's... Quite the statement there. I mean, there's stuff I'm hoping gets fixed too, but worse than NMS? Really? I'm assuming the reddit cite means he's quoting an idiot? I hope?
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Comstar posted:It is now clear this game was released unfinished, Firaxs knows how unfinished it is, and the silence is higher than NoMansSky-levels. Not sure if you're quoting someone (in which case source your quotes) or if you're serious but Civ VI is unpolished which is miles away from "unfinished", comparing it to No Man's Sky which released without promised features is rather silly. Pretty much every major 4X (or big RPG) game has always been rough and buggy at release and it'll never cease to be true as nice as that'd be because shipping the game is ultimately the priority and the developers are no doubt overworked as it is to get even that done. Plus Sid Meier doesn't have any major role in developing these games, hasn't had for a while. Kanfy fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 12:06
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Comstar posted:It is now clear this game was released unfinished, Firaxs knows how unfinished it is, and the silence is higher than NoMansSky-levels. What, you mean silence in the one working day since the release of the game?
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Oct 24, 2016 12:08
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AlphaKretin posted:I'm assuming the reddit cite means he's quoting an idiot? I hope? I hope so too. I mean, the game came out three days ago. Edit: Unrelated, is it just me or does settling on a hill not give your city bonus production now? I've been getting 2 Food 1 Production city centers when I do it, making it seem like the ideal settlement early on is next to a hill rather than on one now. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 12:11
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Comstar posted:It is now clear this game was released unfinished, Firaxs knows how unfinished it is, and the silence is higher than NoMansSky-levels. Good lord are you an entitled little fuckwit. No 4X on this planet has ever been perfectly balanced and completely free of bugs on launch day. Is the game unbalanced and buggy? Yes. Is it playable despite that? Yes. Does it have all of the features they promised out of the box? Absolutely, although the mod support in particular isn't very obvious (presumably they're opening up the workshop with the first balancing patch, but you can still enable mods via Additional Content).
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Oct 24, 2016 12:18
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There's an Aristotle quote in the game that's totally made up. It's the one that's like "An educated mind is one that can entertain a thought without accepting it." Check your facts Firaxis
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Oct 24, 2016 12:29
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Earlier in the thread most people were saying district cost increases from number of districts build, like with builders and settlers. However, it seems like it actually increases based on the number of civics you have researched, which is why one guy a few pages back was seeing them cost higher than base even on his first one. It feels like this might be over-tuned too as midgame they start costing more than many wonders. While I'm here, does anyone know how Scouts actually gain XP? I built two at the start of my game and used the Double Scout XP policy for an awful long time. As they explored, one got to level 2 pretty soon while the other got 10 XP and stopped gaining any more. Later, when I could cross the ocean, I sent them both out to explore the rest of the world. They never gained any more XP.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:30
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In my current game (Huge Marathon as glorious Nippon) my play has been completely opposite of what I normally prefer to do. Which is generally sit on my rear end, go tall with 2-4 cities, tech up then science victory. Gorgo declared on me at around 3600 BC which started the war train a rolling. Greece, Aztecs, England, Arabians, Brazil, Egypt and 2 city states all were under my banner before 400 BC. It was a very busy time. Enjoying the game a lot, but it does have a few things that need fixing. Looking forward to a couple hundred more hours of playing.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:34
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Roland Jones posted:Huh, I've only been playing on Normal. I should try Epic, it sounds interesting. For cheevo purposes I have started my King game in the Classic era. Turns out there's a different opening qoute by Sean Bean too.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:36
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Darkrenown posted:While I'm here, does anyone know how Scouts actually gain XP? I built two at the start of my game and used the Double Scout XP policy for an awful long time. As they explored, one got to level 2 pretty soon while the other got 10 XP and stopped gaining any more. Later, when I could cross the ocean, I sent them both out to explore the rest of the world. They never gained any more XP. Don't quote me on this because I'm not at all certain, but I think scouts get experience from visiting tribal villages. Khagan posted:For cheevo purposes I have started my King game in the Classic era. Turns out there's a different opening qoute by Sean Bean too. Yeah, you can read them in the game setup menu by mouseovering the eras in the era selection.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:37
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Darkrenown posted:While I'm here, does anyone know how Scouts actually gain XP? I built two at the start of my game and used the Double Scout XP policy for an awful long time. As they explored, one got to level 2 pretty soon while the other got 10 XP and stopped gaining any more. Later, when I could cross the ocean, I sent them both out to explore the rest of the world. They never gained any more XP. It seems like they only get XP for fighting and for discovering goodie huts. Maybe for discovering new civs/city states as well? Either way that's not enough things. Maybe it was supposed to be more stuff and got changed at the last minute? In my current game I have a ranger who hasn't recieved any XP whatsoever because he's just been exploring what's mostly empty map.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:38
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Khagan posted:For cheevo purposes I have started my King game in the Classic era. Turns out there's a different opening qoute by Sean Bean too. I was wondering about that, since the "normal" opening quote seems to pretty clearly reference the Ancient Era. I bet there's a different quote (for the pre-leader stuff, not the leader quotes) for every era.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:42
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And I think saying the game is "unplayable" right now is ridiculous. Things need to be cleaned up and bugs fixed but they're all relatively minor, just annoying. That said I had no idea you could sell units at all.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:45
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:It becomes a uranium mine. I have no idea what would happen if you built something else on it. I assume it would be destroyed. It doesnt destroy them, i had some nitre pop up under a farm i had. It is also worth noting that if you build a wonder on a tile that then spawns a resource it is harvested for you. I had the great uranium mines of Big Ben in my game.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:54
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Polyakov posted:It doesnt destroy them, i had some nitre pop up under a farm i had. It is also worth noting that if you build a wonder on a tile that then spawns a resource it is harvested for you. I had the great uranium mines of Big Ben in my game. Oh, that's nice. Do districts still destroy things, or are they harvested too? I can't recall if the stuff I've had appear under my things has been under wonders or districts.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:05
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Polyakov posted:It doesnt destroy them, i had some nitre pop up under a farm i had. It is also worth noting that if you build a wonder on a tile that then spawns a resource it is harvested for you. I had the great uranium mines of Big Ben in my game. Same with districts. The resources are never "destroyed", you just can't see them on the map.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:11
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I'd imagine all strategic resources are harvested automatically if there's a permanent improvement on them, similar to great person improvements in V.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:13
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Yeah, I guessed this was happening when the "you've found resources" prompt just randomly took me to some part of my empire where the resource clearly wasn't, but my resource count magically included the resource. It is, however, incredibly unclear how this functions. Also it would be REALLY nice to have some sort of "highlight resource X" button so I don't have to painstakingly hunt through every tile looking for some oil or iron.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:26
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H13 posted:- The unit progression needs a few more steps because you can seriously get hosed if you don't have the right resource. I went from Roman Legionaries -> Infantry because I didn't have any Ninite. I was a fair way ahead of the other civs in all other scientific respects, but if somebody walked in with Muskets, I would have been completely hosed. There was way too big of a gap between Swords -> Infantry and that resource-specific unit in between can make things awful if you don't have that resource. Yeah, in all previous games it seemed that Gunpowder served as a big equaliser button that helped unlucky civs get up to speed with those who had access to iron during classical-medieval periods and setting the stage for modern warfare and the new resources that were needed. Right now.... I don't even know. This makes ranged units even more important than before, because you get an uninterrupted line of upgrade for longer.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:27
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There was some back and forth on this a few pages ago so now I'm confused on amenities. If one lux gets you one amenity for four cities, does the second (same) lux give you 1 lux for eight or is the second one only trading fodder (like it was in V)? I'm still avoiding trading any lux to the AI for fear I'll make a bunch of cities unhappy, so I'm trying to figure out the new math in VI. I can see how getting out-religioned and losing your founded religion would suck, but I love how the opposite holds true now. I was in a religious war with Japan as Scythia in my last game, and just apostle sniped his capital/holy city. He then started spreading MY religion for me. Seems like that's going to be the new religious strategy, rather than try to convert enough cities to get enough pressure to push back on an AI's holy city. Also the mindshift between "Food is God" in V and "Industry is God" in VI is pretty large for me. I keep seeing river valleys as perfect city locations, then realize there is like zero production and nothing ever gets built.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:33
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Kanfy posted:I'd imagine all strategic resources are harvested automatically if there's a permanent improvement on them, similar to great person improvements in V. I have niter that I can't see and I got it suddenly when I researched the tech so I assume that's under districts. Best I can say there, who knows if it's actually working that way. Maybe it's from City States! My instict says that since Wonders and Districs delete anything that was already there when you place them that you've lost the future resources under there. Taear fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 13:35
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I'm listening to the score and my Civ choices are now focused on the best tracks. So I absolutely have to do a Brazil game next.  Another big favourite is Rome. Unfortunately the game also loves to play neighbor civs' tracks from various eras. In my previous game it meant having to listen to the American theme until I got sick of it. Even wiping Teddy off the map didn't stop it.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:39
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Fhqwhgads posted:There was some back and forth on this a few pages ago so now I'm confused on amenities. If one lux gets you one amenity for four cities, does the second (same) lux give you 1 lux for eight or is the second one only trading fodder (like it was in V)? I'm still avoiding trading any lux to the AI for fear I'll make a bunch of cities unhappy, so I'm trying to figure out the new math in VI. A second luxury is only good for trading fodder.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:44
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Antti posted:Unfortunately the game also loves to play neighbor civs' tracks from various eras. In my previous game it meant having to listen to the American theme until I got sick of it. Even wiping Teddy off the map didn't stop it. so, the game simulates american cultural imperialism aswell... noice.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:48
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Roland Jones posted:I hope so too. I mean, the game came out three days ago. Plains hills are 1 food 2 production, so settling on one gives your city a 2/2 base.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:56
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I haven't gotten the game yet, but from talk it sounds like going wide is back which was my favorite way to play painting the map, a lot of civs are borderline overpowered but in their own unique ways which isn't that bad. But sounds like I'll want to hold off for the expansions and grab all the eventual DLC civs at once and bug fix/balance patches. I do have a question, while it's somewhat easy to spot the overpowered civs on paper, what is the general thoughts on what the weakest civs are? which have the bonuses that just don't work together that well or are flat underwhelming in play?
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Oct 24, 2016 14:24
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Had a fun time last night and, like many people, got an accidental culture victory while going for a religious victory (didn't even get any relics because having an apostle die is a huge blow). Played as Peter and got tons of faith through tundra, it's really not as much of a drawback as it used to be since you're just dropping districts and wonders on it and using your limited good tiles to generate yields. His unique district meant I was spamming out writers and artists about 3x faster than I could fill them. I eventually formed an artist shantytown down in the antarctic where they sat for most of the game. Despite this I still won a cultural victory while I wasn't paying attention. It turns out most of the tundra forests are "breahtaking", which maybe is why the writers congregated there in the snow, so getting a natural park set up was a huge boost. Won before discovering coal. Natural wonders seem way too good. Had a huge stretch of desert boxing me in but was able to found a city there because Kilamanjaro was in the center of it. Got a break with Petra and that city became one of my best, pumping out population. I was putting districts down in grasslands because the natural wonder made things way too good. The diplomatic game was interesting. I like that each leader has their own personality, but I just wish that one personality didn't override everything else. The moment I met China he loving hated me, not like it's my fault he wasted his entire empire on a big wall instead of building mines to churn out wonders. I sent delegations, I converted him to the same religion, nothing I did helped, his mind was made up. I get it when I went to Spain, converted their whole population, said "tough poo poo", and he was mad at me ever since - I instigated that. But Pericles denounced me for competing for the favor of his city states when I was just playing and getting a eureka gave me a free envoy. Not my fault, man, let me make it up to you? No? OK. The same goes for guys who loved me, like the guy who wants you to spread religion, I did, and there wasn't a thing I could do to piss him off any more. There needs to be a bit more nuance and the secondary characteristics aren't making up for it. I managed to find out two guys had "airpower" as their secondary characteristic so the entire time I think they were just being driven by their primary. Trading was also super weird but I heard this was a bug so I won't judge. Positive things: Districts are awesome, they require hard decisions, macro-management on a city-by-city basis and micro-management on a tile-by-tile basis. They do, however, make new cities really hard to get up to speed mid to late game - no more just buying a workshop / factory / etc. This is made up for by the positive change to workers who really accelerate how quickly new cities can get up and running. I feel like information just isn't at my fingertips any more. I spent an entire game trying to figure out how to see religious pressure (in civ V I could just hover over the religion icon and see it). When I went into missionary view I saw some arrows but that didn't tell me much. I needed to know how effective my overlapping pressure was and I couldn't figure out how. I'd start a wonder, then it would complete, and I'd forget completely what it did, and I tried to find out and had to go to the cyclopedia to figure it out. Which is better: +100% adjacency bonus to all my commercial districts or +2 gold for trade routes? I have zero idea when it asks me to change my policies and have to take a shot in the dark. I think they came close to nailing city states, though. Each one has a cool unique bonus, and envoys instead of gold means no more just buying the favor of everyone on the planet. Overall a really fun game that clearly needs some balance to it. And I still can't get used to not being able to use my last movement charge to get up onto a forested hill - that's going to take a lot of getting used to.
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Asking again, if you want a national park, do you need to manually remove all improvements or will it do it for you?
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Oh man, I did not think I would like Egypt as much as I would. That river-construction bonus to wonders and districts is a lot more powerful than it first sounds on paper.Jastiger posted:Asking again, if you want a national park, do you need to manually remove all improvements or will it do it for you? You need to manually remove all improvements.
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Alkydere posted:Oh man, I did not think I would like Egypt as much as I would. That river-construction bonus to wonders and districts is a lot more powerful than it first sounds on paper. Argh lame. Im afraid of tearing up my infrastructure and finding out i cant actually put a park there. The naturalista should totally overwrite eligible plots.
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Darkrenown posted:While I'm here, does anyone know how Scouts actually gain XP? I built two at the start of my game and used the Double Scout XP policy for an awful long time. As they explored, one got to level 2 pretty soon while the other got 10 XP and stopped gaining any more. Later, when I could cross the ocean, I sent them both out to explore the rest of the world. They never gained any more XP. I'm rather sure I had a scout level up immediately after discovering a natural wonder.
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Oct 24, 2016 15:49
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Right, early modding question: Can I alter the color of areas mapped but unseen? I love the new mapwork effect, but I find it difficult at a glance to distinguish between Fog of War, and unmapped areas compared to Civ V. I don't care which way around it's done, just some way to make it more immediately noticeable.
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Oct 24, 2016 15:50
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National parks are a really cool new mechanic. In my last game the only valid location for a park was a small undeveloped patch of the pristine frozen tundra north of my northernmost city. There were mountains, and wooded hills, and barren tundra, and honestly it felt like it probably would be a pretty spectacular national park up there. And then, an era after I built the park I discovered oil. And the only source in my territory was inside the park. It was too real.
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Oct 24, 2016 15:57
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I suddenly don't like the new FOW effect anymore. Thanks for reading.
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I started my first game on a Small map, since somewhere recommended it, and gently caress if everyone isn't all ontop of each other and all over the place. I'm buddies with Spain but he was ahead of me on Culture, so he's currently in a war with Germany and I'm just casually turning my head away from it as they literally fight inside my borders because now i'm ahead in Culture.
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Polyakov posted:It doesnt destroy them, i had some nitre pop up under a farm i had. It is also worth noting that if you build a wonder on a tile that then spawns a resource it is harvested for you. I had the great uranium mines of Big Ben in my game.  good stuff
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