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Boco_T posted:Bruse Tarl Sounds exactly like the kind of names roborosewater comes up with.
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Toshimo posted:lol this is actually a cool concept, but instead you just jam it with a boros partner you never plan to cast just so you can get access to more cards. No that only happens when a card that says "exile all graveyards, exile all cards that would go to the graveyard" gets printed.
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Count Bleck posted:"exile all graveyards" Unless the player forgets to loudly and explicitly declare this happens even if it is being resolved.
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Toshimo posted:lol this is actually a cool concept, but instead you just jam it with a boros partner you never plan to cast just so you can get access to more cards. um, don't you jam it with an orzhov partner so you get black cards instead
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I am totally running Atraxa in superfriends, 4 colors makes my mana base easier and I'm not super fond of the reds as it is and proliferate just makes it that much better.
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socialsecurity posted:I am totally running Atraxa in superfriends, 4 colors makes my mana base easier and I'm not super fond of the reds as it is and proliferate just makes it that much better. Probably made exactly for this reason.
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 lolrandom amirite can;t wait for this wgrb randomness deck e: also this guy is the worst vial smasher, how is he smashing aether vials Elyv fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Elyv posted:
It's too bad Goblins doesn't really want to dome people out because that would really give some inevitability after getting Vialed in
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Elyv posted:
I miss Ankle Shanker.
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Toshimo posted:I saw the non-commander cards and got excited. Then I saw the commanders and I remembered which shitbirds were in charge of this. What does Sheldon have to do with the designs of these cards?
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Elyv posted:
This guy is kinda funny in legacy when you're delving Gurmag Anglers. I think this guy would show up some in legacy if we still had Dig. It's each turn, too, so you'd get to nuke them for 5 when you FOW their goyf next turn. I think it's still interesting. The body isn't great and grixis doesn't have a lot of flex slots but 1BR+B to hit the opponent for 7 and get two creatures out of it is not terrible.
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80s James Hetfield posted:It's cool how they keep making RW Legendary's that loving suck. This fits into RW commander decks because they frequently focus on getting a shitton of combat damage through with double strike, multiple combat phases, etc. I like him in my Aurelia deck that I never play...
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By the way, I feel like Atraxa has a super outside chance of legacy playability because a 4 mana 4/4 vigilant lifelinking flier is a thing. The problem is that the decks it's most a thing against are aggressiveish decks that attack your mana base, like D&T or Delver, and therefore casting a 4 color 4 cost midrange durdle seems hard.
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I'm indifferent to the 2016 Commander decks being four-color decks, but I imagine that all I'd do if I played the format is ask myself why I'm not just playing a five-color commander instead. It seems like the legendary creatures with the partner ability are a concession by Wizards that four-color cards are just unwieldy.
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Elyv posted:By the way, I feel like Atraxa has a super outside chance of legacy playability because a 4 mana 4/4 vigilant lifelinking flier is a thing. The problem is that the decks it's most a thing against are aggressiveish decks that attack your mana base, like D&T or Delver, and therefore casting a 4 color 4 cost midrange durdle seems hard. There are stoneblade variants that splash green for decay and life activations off their deathrite but they're never asking for 4 colors at once. You're pretty much guaranteed blue mana, one other mana color, and usually a third at any given time, but getting 3 different colors of mana for 1 spell is hard and 4 is gonna be near impossible. I agree its huge if you can land it but despite being efficiently costed its in that awkward spot of too expensive to cast and too cheap to reanimate (Sphinx of the Steel Wind is pretty much the same card at that point but better. Star Man posted:I'm indifferent to the 2016 Commander decks being four-color decks, but I imagine that all I'd do if I played the format is ask myself why I'm not just playing a five-color commander instead. It seems like the legendary creatures with the partner ability are a concession by Wizards that four-color cards are just unwieldy. I think the appeal is that not being 5 color puts limits on the deck and keeps you from just running the same 80 5 color best cards, 19 flavor cards, and whatever rando 5 color general you want (since they're all kinda crap or slivers). If you're not just playing bad cards to play bad cards, 5 4 color decks is more varied than 5 5 color decks. Sigma-X fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Sidar reads really weirdly to me. The partner mechanic is a cool way to make 4 color decks but the generals don't seem very impressive.
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Elyv posted:By the way, I feel like Atraxa has a super outside chance of legacy playability because a 4 mana 4/4 vigilant lifelinking flier is a thing. The problem is that the decks it's most a thing against are aggressiveish decks that attack your mana base, like D&T or Delver, and therefore casting a 4 color 4 cost midrange durdle seems hard. how often does any 4 color deck actually have all 4 colors available simultaneously in legacy (the answer is super rarely)
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i think sidar's second ability came about cuz they are so hellbent on never giving green flying that they make up weird as hell abilities to get around it like orchard dryad
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Sidar is neat because he lets your friend's token deck ruin your other friend's poo poo while Sidar just sits there on his horse. I had to read it a second time after everyone was bitching to see what was so confusing and I had missed that it gave ALL critters that ability and didn't just make your guys unblockable, so I agree its a bit awkwardly worded but it isn't that bad.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Sidar reads really weirdly to me. The partner mechanic is a cool way to make 4 color decks but the generals don't seem very impressive. horsemanshit
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mandatory lesbian posted:how often does any 4 color deck actually have all 4 colors available simultaneously in legacy (the answer is super rarely) It's actually not hard in many matchups. The problem is that it's hard against the decks you would actually want this card against. Basically, the cmc is reasonable, the mana cost isn't. That's why I said "super outside".
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You guys can't block dudes with power 2 or less unless the blocking dude you want to block with has Flying or Reach. God, that doesn't read well.
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This commander set feels like the most Legends set since...Legends
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Sidar Kondo effectively says "creatures you control with power 2 or less have flying." The reason he does not literally say this is because that line of text literally does not function in the game rules due to how layers work.
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"Whenever a creature with power 2 or less attacks an opponent, it gains flying" is basically the same thing, right? I guess that's better with some triggers like Exalted.
This actually seems like a pretty neat card to me. You can output a lot of damage with delve cards and other things so it's an interesting build-around. It's a shame they tacked on randomness to gimp it in Commander.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Sidar Kondo effectively says "creatures you control with power 2 or less have flying." The reason he does not literally say this is because that line of text literally does not function in the game rules due to how layers work. It doesn't even say that. Because the affect applies to all creatures with power 2 or less, not just yours, unless they're attacking you.
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Count Bleck posted:It doesn't even say that. Ok, fine. Point still applies. That simple line of text that's instantly grokkable makes the rules poo poo themselves.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Sidar Kondo effectively says "creatures you control with power 2 or less have flying." The reason he does not literally say this is because that line of text literally does not function in the game rules due to how layers work. Why not? Gliding sliver basically says the same thing without the power 2 or less.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:"Whenever a creature with power 2 or less attacks an opponent, it gains flying" is basically the same thing, right? I guess that's better with some triggers like Exalted. If it had that, you could partner with a green commander and run every mass flying hoser to make a janky but amusingly interesting deck, and we can't have that. Salvor_Hardin posted:Why not? Gliding sliver basically says the same thing without the power 2 or less. Gliding sliver depends on a creature type, which both is harder to manipulate and applies on layer 4. Power/toughness manipulation, which is really easy to do, happens on layer 7. Granting keywords happens on layer 6. If it existed the way you propose it, A bear with an elesh norn in play would be a 4/4 flier and/or make MODO detonate. Also it doesn't say creatures you control. Archenteron fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:This commander set feels like the most Legends set since...Legends where are the random wall-related cards and enchantments with 50 lines of rules text
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i'm waiting for the five mana, 2/2 with tap: add a red
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Now here's a cost reduction mechanic we hope you'll really like.
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:Now here's a cost reduction mechanic we hope you'll really like. No Trample No Play. Irony Be My Shield posted:"Whenever a creature with power 2 or less attacks an opponent, it gains flying" is basically the same thing, right? I guess that's better with some triggers like Exalted. I feel like that actually benefits it in commander because the randomness excuses the owner from the damage they deal and keeps you from pissing people off as much because the winning/almost dead/whatever vulnerable player doesn't feel like they're immediately going to be a target, and that it might instead benefit them.
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:Now here's a cost reduction mechanic we hope you'll really like. 
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Funny both in and against tokens.
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TheKingofSprings posted:This commander set feels like the most Legends set since...Legends You should probably review the cards in Legends before making that claim. http://tinyurl.com/zg3l5ry
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Star Man posted:You should probably review the cards in Legends before making that claim. Compare the design of the Legends in that set to the commanders here and you might get what I mean. Hint: the Legends legends were a bunch of people's DnD OCs
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And these legends aren't even half as metal sounding either.  But yeah, this stuff is incredibly lame so far.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Why not? Gliding sliver basically says the same thing without the power 2 or less.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Compare the design of the Legends in that set to the commanders here and you might get what I mean.     not really seeing it E: Edited quote for clarity Elyv fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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