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Gully Foyle posted:The grassland between the Quarry and the Copper mine is the best place (+3 adjacency) (edit: whoops, I mean just as good). Check to see if your other two cities below it are within 6, though. That's one of the most important placement criteria for IZs. For instance, It's worth losing +1 adjacency to move it one tile south-east if it gets another city in range. I savescummed  and moved it there. It will get +3 from mines/quarry there and potentially another +1.5 from districts. And it's 2 tiles from the city directly south and exactly 6 tiles away from the liberated Russian capital  What sort of bonus do you get for being within 6 tiles away from another city? Can't find anything about it in the civpedia. 
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Your candidate for the IZ and the two grasslands north and west of it would make pretty great Feudalism farms, which is also valuable. Just to consider. edit: was replying to Gully Foyle
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StashAugustine posted:Yeah there's a couple other joke quotes in V but they're sparing and typically actually funny. It's funny how I don't know half the early wonders but know basically all of the late ones because by that time you're so far ahead you can just grab them all. This kind of extends to the civilopedia descriptions as well, in V there were some lighthearted entries but in VI there's a whole lot of unfunny quips. The Social Media civic page is pretty much what you'd expect:  Also it's the most minor nitpick of all, but it has "AD" after every year a lot of the time, "1978 AD" and so forth. Looks real dumb. Kanfy fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 18:56
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Quick mechanics question regarding Natural Wonders. Are the yields from those tiles affected by Pantheon beliefs? I had a city next to Pantanal, and had picked up Lady of the Reeds and Marshes for the +1 production from it. However, the map didn't seem to reflect that as a benefit.
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Oct 24, 2016 18:57
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Also I'd forgotten how busted Civ V's Statue of Liberty was in conjunction with half food from specialists
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Oct 24, 2016 18:59
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PirateBob posted:I savescummed The Factory and Power Plant buildings provide +3/+4 production respectively, but critically, to each city centre within 6 tiles of the IZ. So a single IZ can give up to +7 production to multiple cities eventually. This range can be extended by Toronto's Suzerain bonus (extends all IZ ranges another +3 tiles) and there's a great Engineer (don't remember the name) that gives a specific IZ a bonus +3 range (and a production boost, I think). Japan's Electronic Factory extends further as well. Mameluke posted:Your candidate for the IZ and the two grasslands north and west of it would make pretty great Feudalism farms, which is also valuable. Just to consider. True, but the Wheat/Floodplain farms should already give him plenty of food for the game. And if he really needs another farm triangle, he could put farms on the two tiles west of that potential IZ spot, and the spot below those. Also, the spot I picked will also let you build the Ruhr Valley wonder (needs to be adjacent to both a river and an IZ with a Factory). Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 19:00
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Wait what? Districts can impact multiple cities? I thought a city owned it and that was that?
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Oct 24, 2016 19:03
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Jastiger posted:Wait what? Districts can impact multiple cities? I thought a city owned it and that was that? Districts can't but some buildings can, for example a Zoo will give its amenities to all cities within 6 tiles of it.
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I feel like the ideal situation is to create little circles of 4-5 cities that all throw their Industrial districts into the center of the circle. I just played a game where I totally 100% ignored the terrain or resources just to create the circles, and once the factories and zoos kicked in it became silly. Well, I was also Japan for the Electronics factory, but I think it might be worth it anyway?
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Oct 24, 2016 19:05
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So this is supposed to have mod support through Steam Workshop right? Is that just not available yet?
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Oct 24, 2016 19:05
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Jastiger posted:Wait what? Districts can impact multiple cities? I thought a city owned it and that was that? It only applies to the IZ and the Entertainment Districts, I believe. More specifically, it applies to the last two buildings in each, where the bonus that building gives applies to each city centre within 6 tiles.
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Jastiger posted:Wait what? Districts can impact multiple cities? I thought a city owned it and that was that? Check the tooltip of the buildings inside the districts closely when you're building them, it's one of the reasons that I don't subscribe to the "build wide" mantra, because you can stack a ton of amenity and production bonuses together with good district placement. There are also wonders and great people that increase the effect by three more tiles.
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Kanfy posted:This kind of extends to the civilopedia descriptions as well, in V there were some lighthearted entries but in VI there's a whole lot of unfunny quips. The Jane Austen and T.S. Eliot quotes for Social Media are actually pretty inspired, though
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Oct 24, 2016 19:10
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Does it increase the range for good AND bad things? Like the IZ having a negative effect on appeal for neighborhoods?
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Oct 24, 2016 19:12
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TASTE THE PAIN!! posted:Does anybody know specifically what happens to great works and the like if you trade for them but don't have enough slots? Kongo was trying to make peace with me and offering like 10+ great works but I didn't have room for any of them. Are they put on a standby of sorts until you have slots or are they simply lost to the ether? Yep. I got the holy grail and didn't build a holy site until much later, and then my holy grail occupied the temple.
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Jastiger posted:Does it increase the range for good AND bad things? Like the IZ having a negative effect on appeal for neighborhoods? It doesn't affect the IZ in any way whatsoever. The IZ just happens to have a building in it with a wide ranged effect. Also, stop worrying so much about appeal. It's seriously irrelevant. Clarste fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 19:15
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Efexeye posted:come on Yeah I forgot Firaxis ritualistically burn all the design documents, feedback and everything that learned from the previous civ games before they set out on making a new one.
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Jastiger posted:Does it increase the range for good AND bad things? Like the IZ having a negative effect on appeal for neighborhoods? No, that only applies to the tiles adjacent to the IZ itself. The appeal negative comes from the IZ, the production bonus is actually linked to the buildings.
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The relic system is so dumb. You should have a small chance of getting one when you defeat someone in religious combat, not just when an apostle with Martyr dies. In any religious victory you're never going to have your apostles die because the area effect is so huge, you're going to micromanage them to get them low on health while killing opposing units then use their last spread to get rid of them. This means that if you're going for a culture victory the best path to win is to build a bunch of apostles with Martyr and run around hoping you can find some units to attack until they die, which is really counter-intuitive.
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Jastiger posted:Does it increase the range for good AND bad things? Like the IZ having a negative effect on appeal for neighborhoods? Only districts have negative affects, and as such they only extend as far as the district does. The buildings don't have negative affects.
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Tom Tucker posted:The relic system is so dumb. You should have a small chance of getting one when you defeat someone in religious combat, not just when an apostle with Martyr dies. In any religious victory you're never going to have your apostles die because the area effect is so huge, you're going to micromanage them to get them low on health while killing opposing units then use their last spread to get rid of them. This means that if you're going for a culture victory the best path to win is to build a bunch of apostles with Martyr and run around hoping you can find some units to attack until they die, which is really counter-intuitive. Just so you know, you can heal Apostles and other religious units by having them wait on top of a Holy Site. Just another totally undocumented feature.
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Brannock posted:Yeah Civ 6 is really lacking in the "sense of majesty" department. Man those paintings were the BEST. Rip them. Also I got a Culture win with Kongo on Emperor vs 10 players. Time to up the ante against 12. Now that some time has passed, who do you guys think is the strongest civ overall, HRE? Pericles? Aztecs?
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Asking again because I'm a big dummy who doesn't understand the game (yet):Your Computer posted:Am I supposed to stop growing my cities at some point and just go "you're done" or is it supposed to be a constant struggle to get enough food and housing from start to finish with every city I settle? As in population growth (and thus the constant need for more food and more housing in every city everywhere.)
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Your Computer posted:Asking again because I'm a big dummy who doesn't understand the game (yet): Keep struggling. They introduce Neighborhoods as a mid-late game improvement precisely because you're expected to need them, and lots of them.
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Your Computer posted:Asking again because I'm a big dummy who doesn't understand the game (yet): I've never had a game go past early Industrial yet today, but it seemed to be "whatever the city will bear" for housing and "whatever your civilization will bear" for amenities. If you're short on amenities it may be worth it to limit a city's growth so you can concentrate it elsewhere, but it also doesn't look like you can control this system, so not sure how much marginal benefit you're getting. Otherwise I think it's just keep growing growing growing no universal happiness means you're constrained by fresh water early game and neighborhoods late game.
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It's clear that Civ VI is trying not to go for "sense of majesty" as much as "playful" in its quotes. The problem is that they got a voice actor not known for any sort of comic delivery to deliver a bunch of jokes that work better written than spoken. Plus, they don't go all the way with their lighthearted tone. Joke quotes over painstakingly animated pornography of wonders being built doesn't fit. The intro cinematic is the traditional paean to civilization from the West's point of view. Even the non-western locations are seen from the perspective of western explorers. The theme song is peppier than most previous ones and probably second best in the series, but it's also an "epic" piece of music. With all of this, why try to go for sardonic "snarky" quotes about the tech choices?
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That being said, there's a lot of elegance to the design of this game. I love that neighborhoods and aqueducts broaden your choices for city location over the course of the game without artificially imposing era limits. A lot of the underlying mechanisms hum along in order to make the natural drive of civ (as a conquest game) work in all victory formats. There's a lot of balancing work to be done, especially in fixing exploits, but I'd say it's actually a much better working game in terms of underlying mechanics than civ V ever was.
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So it's time to vent about Stupid Diplomatic Changes! On today's episode, let's talk about how your Declared Friends/Allies can declare war on City-States you are the suzerain of and there is nothing you can do about it, because the only option you have now is to Make Deals with them! 
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Impermanent posted:It's clear that Civ VI is trying not to go for "sense of majesty" as much as "playful" in its quotes. The problem is that they got a voice actor not known for any sort of comic delivery to deliver a bunch of jokes that work better written than spoken. Plus, they don't go all the way with their lighthearted tone. Joke quotes over painstakingly animated pornography of wonders being built doesn't fit. The intro cinematic is the traditional paean to civilization from the West's point of view. Even the non-western locations are seen from the perspective of western explorers. The theme song is peppier than most previous ones and probably second best in the series, but it's also an "epic" piece of music. With all of this, why try to go for sardonic "snarky" quotes about the tech choices? Considering a lot of the quotes appear to just be from googling "_____ quote" I think someone was like "Oh poo poo guys SEAN BEAN is here in the recording studio and Paul was supposed to research quotes for him to read! Everyone get on google and find him stuff to read! Oh crap, we don't have the leader splash screens ready either? OK um... Pericles... right unique cultural site ok just have him talk about that."
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I don't want to think that's how it happened but you're probably right.
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Tom Tucker posted:Considering a lot of the quotes appear to just be from googling "_____ quote" I think someone was like "Oh poo poo guys SEAN BEAN is here in the recording studio and Paul was supposed to research quotes for him to read! Everyone get on google and find him stuff to read! Oh crap, we don't have the leader splash screens ready either? OK um... Pericles... right unique cultural site ok just have him talk about that." Yeah, this is the feeling I get from a lot of the game: rushed. It feels like if they waited another couple of months to iron some stuff out, this game would easily be 10/10 material. As it stands there are some things that still need work (just look at my last complaint  ), but otherwise it's quite solid.
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Don't worry, the crack coding team at Firaxis are already working on a patch that will be ready for release in two months and will randomly make some wonders better, some wonders worse, and it'll be one of two patches to the game total.
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UmbreonMessiah posted:So it's time to vent about Stupid Diplomatic Changes! On today's episode, let's talk about how your Declared Friends/Allies can declare war on City-States you are the suzerain of and there is nothing you can do about it, because the only option you have now is to Make Deals with them! Yeah this was something I ran into as well. Who the gently caress thought that was a good idea?
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turboraton posted:Man those paintings were the BEST. Rip them. Aztecs, Scythia Germans, Greeks(Pericles), Saladin Everyone else England or America seem to be the worst. Norway is situational.
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UmbreonMessiah posted:Yeah, this is the feeling I get from a lot of the game: rushed. It feels like if they waited another couple of months to iron some stuff out, this game would easily be 10/10 material. As it stands there are some things that still need work (just look at my last complaint On the other hand, I'm pleasantly surprised that the game is as solid as it is because unless I'm mistaken their previous couple of games were borderline unplayable at release I wasn't going to pay money for this, but then I actually enjoyed it more than Civ V with all expansions.
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They probably recorded the quotes months and months ago.
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Your Computer posted:On the other hand, I'm pleasantly surprised that the game is as solid as it is because unless I'm mistaken their previous couple of games were borderline unplayable at release Yeah, all quibbles aside, I'm still feeling the one-more-turn pull from this game real hard. I booted up the game to look up the Petra quote and ended up playing for an hour when I should have been working
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What makes the Aztecs good - is it the ability to basically buy districts with the worker ability? For Scythia, is it abusing the crazy amount of gold you get from selling units?
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I'm feeling that this is one of the strongest vanilla Civ releases. Most people seem relatively bug-free, the biggest gripes are largely UI issues that should be able to be fixed, the games base features seem to work well. Don't get me wrong, I have some quibbles about certain systems and balances and the AI behavior, but hopefully those can either be patched or modded. All in all, I think the future is bright for Civ VI, since the base game is solid.CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Aztecs, Scythia I'd put Rome in Tier 2 as well. Free monuments in the early game means that you can focus on defense and Campuses/Holy Sites and your culture game is fine for a while. Free roads for your cities lets you either delay your traders or send them elsewhere. Legions are nice and strong, and upgrade from your early Warriors. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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