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My Linux Rig posted:I made the mistake of talking about politics at work and someone brought up the whole bill Clinton amusing women and Hillary covering up for it. Does that seriously have any truth to it or is it just more conservative conspiracy crap? Any part that would affect people's opinions is made up, the truth is exceptionally mundane. Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary while he was in the White House, however it was entirely consensual and has been researched to death. Hillary thanked one of his accusers (presumably without knowing who she was) at a rally two decades ago, and the accuser thought it was a threat or something. None of this has happened since Bill left office 16 years ago. It has been looked at from every conceivable angle and the only ones where it is bad are imaginary angles created from the lie dimension.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:That's why I like idaho. Unless you're a 90yr old Grandma, no one really gets too huffy over political beliefs because it's assumed everyone is packing. Trick question, theres no reason to like idaho.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:04
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People worrying about increases in Obamacare premiums, but the most I've ever paid is $1 for prescription refills? Oh yeah, I'm well below the poverty line 
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Oct 25, 2016 03:03
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vyelkin posted:Yeah Bill Clinton was pretty amusing, weird that Hillary tried to hide it though Ugh sorry, I meant abusing. Guess my iPhone doesn't believe it either.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:04
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Tom Guycot posted:I'm more curious what the gently caress the "american delta party" is. 
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Oct 25, 2016 03:04
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GalacticAcid posted:I actually would be interested in knowing the three books that most influenced posters' politics, whether ideology or practice. The Elements of Moral Philosophy by James Rachels (this is very much ethics for dummies but it's so well written and is largely responsible for my ceasing to be a lovely FYGM adolescent libertarian) Savage Inequalities by Jonathan Kozol (old but still relevant explanation of how turbofucked American public education is and how it has and continues to destroy the lives of anyone who wasn't born upper middle class or better)
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Oct 25, 2016 03:06
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Stereotype posted:Any part that would affect people's opinions is made up, the truth is exceptionally mundane. That's what it's about? Do conservative witch hunts ever die?
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Oct 25, 2016 03:06
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How many people do you think are at a GOTV event for Trump in Utah? https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/790735755479965696
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Oct 25, 2016 03:05
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Tom Guycot posted:Trick question, theres no reason to like idaho. Idaho has a ridiculously low cost of living and outdoorsy stuff here owns so gently caress you. please move here and vote Democratic
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Oct 25, 2016 03:05
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/24/inside-donald-trump-s-one-stop-parties-attendees-recall-cocaine-and-very-young-models.html Daily Beast is reporting that Trump used to have cocaine parties and bang underage girls. Not sure this is going to go anywhere without one of the girls coming forward and copping to blowing Donald when she was 14.
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Stereotype posted:Any part that would affect people's opinions is made up, the truth is exceptionally mundane. Also, that particular accuser denied, under oath, that she had been assaulted or raped, even given the perfect opportunity to really hurt Clinton legally, when he was being impeached or whatever.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:06
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GalacticAcid posted:I actually would be interested in knowing the three books that most influenced posters' politics, whether ideology or practice. brief history of neoliberalism David Harvey the consequences of modernity Anthony giddens the gulf war did not take place Jean baudrillard. All are fairly short. e: if it's a mount Rushmore and there's a bonus choice, jihad vs. McWorld by Ben barber is also a pro-click straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 03:06
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clockwork chaos posted:People worrying about increases in Obamacare premiums, but the most I've ever paid is $1 for prescription refills? Oh yeah, I'm well below the poverty line When I was on my parents plan before Obamacare, I had to pay $300 for prescription refills. After Obamacare, I was able to get my own better plan and now the same refills are only $20. Thanks Obamacare!
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Oct 25, 2016 03:06
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Guy Goodbody posted:Why didn't Obamacare stop that? The ACA primarily worked to improve access to health insurance and fix some of the perverse incentives and bad deals in the industry. It did a lot of that pretty well.. The problem is, that fact was over shadowed by the idea that healthcare was just so expensive in the US because all the money was vanishing into the profits of the insurance companies. This idea was a myth, and easily shown as so at the time, but it was deeply believed by many supporters to the point where people saying otherwise were frequently branded as Republican concern trolls. I mean, it still made a lot of good reforms, but but it wasn't ever a law focused on reining in costs. Though one of the main improvements is that it cracked down on cheap insurance that doesn't actually cover anything, so at least you get health care for your premiums.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:06
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Nenonen posted:TOGA! TOGA! Dang, I need to change my vote.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:08
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Cigar Aficionado posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/24/inside-donald-trump-s-one-stop-parties-attendees-recall-cocaine-and-very-young-models.html I guess when he kept saying to 10 year olds he'd be dating them a few years, he really meant it.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:07
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https://twitter.com/CBSDFW/status/790718688190164992 https://twitter.com/evanasmith/status/790735100015054849 (According to Slate Action, Dallas went O+12... and Harris O+0.08)
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Night10194 posted:Oh christ, I mostly knew him from Darkest Dungeons and Moon God and his hilarious Blaxploitation comic. I feel an incredible amount of anger over people like Chick so violently and disgustingly twisting religion in this sort of way. I'm an atheist, but I have a great belief in the value and importance of redemption and that pretty much everyone should, if they wish to attempt it, have the right to try and redeem themselves if circumstances allow it. It isn't up to me to dictate what that takes for any given individual, but I can surely say it's something that takes a huge amount of reflection, effort, and hard work. It isn't something that everyone gets a chance at, and even if you do it, not everyone will forgive you, and that is part of it all. My dad molested me when I was a kid and I doubt I could have ever forgiven him; but had he not drank himself to death, I could not in good conscience say he shouldn't have been allowed to try to appreciate the depths of what he did, and to try and find some way to redeem himself and make up for it. And that is a powerful, deeply moving theme in many religions. If it helps a person who truly wants to do good, to be better, then more power to them! That's wonderful and I heartily applaud any work a religious institution or individual does to help people seeking that path, even if I might find a different one myself. But then you get to fuckers like Jack Chick, who act as though you can kneel down, say a prayer, and not only be wholly redeemed but have a switch flipped that turns you from a person who rapes and pimps out your own daughter into a good, decent father. That should be offensive to basically anyone and everyone, the religious most of all. In religion any serious effort at redemption is taken to involve much prayer and contemplation, yes, but it also tends to involve a great deal of temporal matters as well, whether that is good works, seeking forgiveness from your victim, confessing in a court of law and serving your time, etc. etc.. Most people who could reasonably be called redeemed are the sort of guy who has, for example, spent 40 years in prison for a crime committed aged 17, and has spent that time obeying the rules, studying, working to improve the prison library's stock, helping other prisoners, etc. etc., not just falling to his knees and invoking the name of Christ the King to attain immediate absolution. Chick's bullshit demeans religions who work hard to help sinners, he demeans people who have worked sincerely to redeem themselves, and he demeans victims by implying we should forgive as easily and readily as God and that our suffering can be erased with some prayer. I guess the short version is that redemption, whatever that might be (I realize it's something of a trickier thing to describe it in secular terms but I'm too tired to get into that right now), requires a secular or at least temporal aspect as well as a spiritual one, even if you are religious.
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My Linux Rig posted:That's what it's about? Do conservative witch hunts ever die? No they don't. Example: anything conservatives seem to care about. Trump brought up loving Solyndra during a debate. Conservatives think that no one is talking about their idiot topic de' jour because it has been forgotten instead of that it is pointless or wrong and not worth caring about.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:09
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:That's why I like idaho. Unless you're a 90yr old Grandma, no one really gets too huffy over political beliefs because it's assumed everyone is packing. Ha ha, what the gently caress are you talking about? If I ever brought my views up in Boise, the best outcome would be a glare. And that's Boise, the (almost) blue part of the state.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:09
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Tom Guycot posted:Trick question, theres no reason to like idaho. Readily researchable demographics and primary rules, a complete lack of polling in the 2012 republican primary, and intrade still being a thing mean that Idaho will always have a fond place in my heart.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:10
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In terms of influential books-my dad minored in photography in college, and had a ton of photojournalism books and magazines from the sixties and seventies that he'd acquired, as well as a bunch of leftist publications from the time. My parents didn't really care what book I was reading, just as long as I was reading, so between that and the feminist lit my mom had laying around from her stint at Planned Parenthood, my views were set pretty early. Hippie parents own except that I had to take homeopathic medicine as a child
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Oct 25, 2016 03:11
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early voting has been insane in TX today. 1hr lines at my local fiesta (cheap supermarket). It's funny that in the third party discussion a few days ago, someone said that voting dem is like pissing into the wind in Texas anyway so who cares. Texas could very well turn blue.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:12
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GalacticAcid posted:I actually would be interested in knowing the three books that most influenced posters' politics, whether ideology or practice. Dunno if they would be the most influential since they're both relatively recent but The Spirit Level: Why Equality is Better For Everyone by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett and Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea by Mark Blyth are both really good.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:12
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People keep hand wringing about Democrats not voting since Hillary has it in the bag, but there are enough Red states that might go Blue where Democrats who normally wouldn't care are going to be SUPER EXCITED since they might win for once in their lives.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:12
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When you really get a deplorable all worked up they'll drop ACORN.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:13
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Stereotype posted:No they don't. Better example: prayer in public schools. The SCOTUS decisions they they bellyache about happened in 1962 and 1963, yet the religious right will talk about it as if it happened yesterday.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:13
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Cigar Aficionado posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/24/inside-donald-trump-s-one-stop-parties-attendees-recall-cocaine-and-very-young-models.html We have an upcoming rape trial where the victim lost her virginity to Donald.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:14
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Mister Adequate posted:I guess the short version is that redemption, whatever that might be (I realize it's something of a trickier thing to describe it in secular terms but I'm too tired to get into that right now), requires a secular or at least temporal aspect as well as a spiritual one, even if you are religious. Most (all?) reasonable forms of Christianity require works in addition to faith to guarantee salvation (or at least say that works are evidence of genuine faith, such that one who does not do good works cannot truly have faith). While Protestantism may have had its roots in a justified reaction to the excesses of the Catholic Church, the form that it's taken in America in the centuries since is deeply troubling.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:15
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My Linux Rig posted:Ha ha, what the gently caress are you talking about? If I ever brought my views up in Boise, the best outcome would be a glare. And that's Boise, the (almost) blue part of the state. Latah County's the bluest part.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:15
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They still talk about the IRS targeting republican political groups. (It was shown that the IRS targeted more liberal groups)
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3 Books list: Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country. Dorothy Day, Loaves and Fishes: The Inspiring Story of the Catholic Worker Movement And the last slot just get's filled up with a lot of comics and "greater good" entertainment. Really though my mom's side of the family is part of the DC machine so a lot of my early political formative events center around the fact that my aunts were vaguely high up in the DNC. Crain fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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straight up brolic posted:early voting has been insane in TX today. 1hr lines at my local fiesta (cheap supermarket). It's funny that in the third party discussion a few days ago, someone said that voting dem is like pissing into the wind in Texas anyway so who cares. Texas could very well turn blue. I'm trying really hard to keep a clear head, but it seriously might be happening.
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Well we are at the end of Monday and all of the main headlines for the major news networks are about how well Clinton is doing/how she is going after down ballot Republicans. Good sign for a favorable news cycle this week. Goes without saying how bad that is for Trump.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:18
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Guy Goodbody posted:Why didn't Obamacare stop that? Because nothing in Obamacare was really structured to reduce costs. Conservatives blocked any measures that might actually do that via single-payer collective bargaining/legislating transparency in medical pricing/etc, and so all we got was improvement in access, and of course if more sick people are covered prices are going to have upward pressure on them due to that, which you try to maybe cover by mandating more fees be paid in. Ragging on "obamacare" for not reducing prices is basically just disingenuous BS like blaming the space shuttle for not being a good heavy lift vehicle or something. Healthcare spending is the result of private for-profit industry realizing they can literally charge whatever they want when they have your health hostage and there's close to 0 transparency about what they're charging you until long after you've received treatment, and the ridiculously disfunctional Republicans having nothing to do with a productive discussion about how you deal with that. 
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Oct 25, 2016 03:18
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straight up brolic posted:early voting has been insane in TX today. 1hr lines at my local fiesta (cheap supermarket). It's funny that in the third party discussion a few days ago, someone said that voting dem is like pissing into the wind in Texas anyway so who cares. Texas could very well turn blue. I managed to get in and out of the early voting polls early this morning. I was expecting longer lines, but I'm guessing that Dallas County has enough early voting places and staff that things ran smoothly at that time. But yeah, I just shared that MSN screenshot on Facebook and people have been going wild about it.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:21
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Stacks posted:I caved. Hey this is for everyone: check local laws for pictures in the poll booth. You can get in serious trouble in some states.
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Stacks posted:I caved. http://www.dmlp.org/state-law-documenting-vote-2012 
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Latah County's the bluest part. Not Blaine?
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