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Lightning Knight posted:People who don't understand Econ 101 ITT. Complaining about full employment is almost exactly like complaining about rapid inflation. It's not happening right now and there's nothing to lose from moving in that direction. In fact, long-run inflation is a consequence of full employment policies. When wages are back to up the GDP share they were in the late 60s then we can start worrying about running full employment for too long. If you want wage share to go up, full employment is a guaranteed way to get there. It will eventually cause inflation, but it will grow wage share and worker bargaining power. This is a lot like the inflation argument in monetary policy, where a potential cost somewhere years and years down the line is held up as a reason why we shouldn't do anything about real problems right now. I think it's more than a little ironic that people in this thread are against the idea of full employment when they would probably like a return to 1960s economic policy, the central plank of which was full employment. It's interesting how much perceptions of the 70s dominate public discourse even today. edit: well look at that post above me Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 03:58
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I'm fairly sure the problem with that macro isn't even the notion of full employment (which is literally defined in Econ as ~5% unemployment, of which those people will ideally be temporarily unemployed and not systemically unemployed), it's that he's arguing that the government being involved in regulating the economy is preventing full employment, which is hilarious libertarian garbage. So yeah. You're still being dumb.
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Oct 25, 2016 04:31
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Hey, first result on Google. http://www.snopes.com/carter-reagan-polls/ Looks like part of the reason is that in the 1980 election, there was only one debate, and it was held on October 28, the very end of the month. Also apparently Reagan gained a huge boost after the debate, going from 8 points behind to a 3 point lead. Carter's poor handling of the Iran hostage crisis was also a factor since a lot happened the week before the election, and inflation was rising much worse than now.
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Oct 25, 2016 04:33
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Twelve by Pies posted:Hey, first result on Google. Also Reagan had a small lead in aggregate polling since the conventions and the debate just ran up the score.
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Oct 25, 2016 04:43
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Tritanomalicious posted:The store I work at has baggers, mostly in the mornings. Also, there are full-service gas stations around here, but not that many anymore. It's mostly in more well-off areas here. I have never seen a full service gas station in my life. Simpson had this scene about "pumping your own gas" and I assumed that they meant a literal crank (like an old water pump) to pump the gas as opposed to an electric system. Because I couldn't imagine a gas station where a whole person was needed to put in the nozzle and push a button. Though it would certainly be convenient. I hate how my hands smell after pumping gas.
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Oct 25, 2016 07:20
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I can remember being a kid in California and having my dad get full service gas. It was a bit more per gallon but they'd pump gas for you and check your fluid levels. This was back in the  days of carbon paper transfers for credit card transactions.
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Oct 25, 2016 07:27
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I would hate mandatory service at gas stations just because the tipping part would get expensive and I don't really make that much money. If I was financially secure I wouldn't care, but I'd feel bad for people who weren't and feel ashamed for not being able to tip properly. Tipping culture blows.
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Oct 25, 2016 07:32
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Got a crazy printed out poster sized email from your neighbors ? Post them here. Lyrai posted:Someone found a Freeper house, apparently.
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Oct 25, 2016 08:40
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All these people talking about stores not having baggers is weird to me. I've worked for a grocery chain in various positions for a decade now, and that chain tries to have between 6-10 staff on hand during most of the day whose primary two job duties are bagging and pulling carts in from the parking lot. Customers get pissy if they don't have a baggers and have to do it themselves.
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Oct 25, 2016 11:19
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jivjov posted:All these people talking about stores not having baggers is weird to me. I've worked for a grocery chain in various positions for a decade now, and that chain tries to have between 6-10 staff on hand during most of the day whose primary two job duties are bagging and pulling carts in from the parking lot. Customers get pissy if they don't have a baggers and have to do it themselves. The only thing staff does here is stack the shelves and scan the groceries and send them down a conveyor for the customers to bag them. When you pick up a cart you put money in and you get the money back when you return the cart. Edit: Though the self scanning system is taking over more and more.  Swipe card to unlock a scanner and then scan the groceries as you take them off the shelves. Swipe card at the checkout and then leave. Zephyrine fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 11:23
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Hope they like product shrinkage.
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Oct 25, 2016 11:33
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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It's probably the same case as the self-checkouts, the product loss is estimated as cheaper than paying wages.
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Oct 25, 2016 11:37
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Zephyrine posted:Apparently full employment is bad for the country because it shifts too much bargaining power to the workers. Driving up wages and down export. Uh, bargaining power of workers increases unemployment. Full employment is a sign of very low labor power if anything because organized l. increases the marginal cost of employing a unit of labor and makes arbitrary scaling down of labor costs for new employments impossible due to collective bargaining. This is some basic Keynesian theory, and isn't a bad thing in the slightest.
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Oct 25, 2016 11:38
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Hope they like product shrinkage. It's been around for over a decade and while there are certainly some theft the labour savings are huge. And most people don't really bother stealing groceries. There are random checks when you check out as well. if you fail a random check you go down one rank in the computers rank system which means random checks are more likely. If you pass a check your rank goes up.
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Oct 25, 2016 11:52
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steinrokkan posted:Uh, bargaining power of workers increases unemployment. Full employment is a sign of very low labor power if anything because organized l. increases the marginal cost of employing a unit of labor and makes arbitrary scaling down of labor costs for new employments impossible due to collective bargaining. This is some basic Keynesian theory, and isn't a bad thing in the slightest. Isn't that what I said? The point being that striving for 0% unemployment is fruitless because it would not benefit the country anyway. Aeka 2.0 posted:Hope they like product shrinkage. It's been around for over a decade and while there are certainly some theft the labour savings are huge. And most people don't really bother stealing groceries. There are random checks when you check out as well. if you fail a random check you go down one rank in the computers rank system which means random checks are more likely. If you pass a check your rank goes up.
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Oct 25, 2016 11:53
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Lightning Knight posted:I would hate mandatory service at gas stations just because the tipping part would get expensive and I don't really make that much money. If I was financially secure I wouldn't care, but I'd feel bad for people who weren't and feel ashamed for not being able to tip properly. Here in NJ we're not allowed to pump our own gas, and you don't tip at the stations. I guess you could, but no one I know does it.
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Oct 25, 2016 12:21
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gninjagnome posted:Here in NJ we're not allowed to pump our own gas, and you don't tip at the stations. I guess you could, but no one I know does it. I read about that years ago. It was sold as some sort of safety thing that only trained staff were to pump gas and then reinforced by the idea that it creates jobs. Though making a menial every day task illegal to create jobs doing it seems sort of questionable.
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Oct 25, 2016 12:36
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Zephyrine posted:I read about that years ago. It was sold as some sort of safety thing that only trained staff were to pump gas and then reinforced by the idea that it creates jobs. Honestly there's an air quality safety concern. A lot of people tend to wait for the safety click to happen and then go ahead and "top it off" by partially pulling out the nozzle and pumping an extra 1/4 gallon or so in. http://www.freep.com/story/life/2015/06/28/dont-top-off-gas-tank-environment/29269833/ Basically if there are enough idiots are in your area (read: pretty much everywhere) and enough gas stations get their vapor systems broken by those idiot customers then you can end up with a lot more damage to the environment then you otherwise would.
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Oct 25, 2016 13:41
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gninjagnome posted:Here in NJ we're not allowed to pump our own gas, and you don't tip at the stations. I guess you could, but no one I know does it. I did it when I lived in Jersey. It was really weird the first few times I drove and had to gas up out of state - I would just sit in my car for several minutes forgetting I had to get out myself and pump the gas
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Oct 25, 2016 13:44
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Anubis posted:Honestly there's an air quality safety concern. A lot of people tend to wait for the safety click to happen and then go ahead and "top it off" by partially pulling out the nozzle and pumping an extra 1/4 gallon or so in. http://www.freep.com/story/life/2015/06/28/dont-top-off-gas-tank-environment/29269833/ But then if it was a genuine problem and systems were being broken. Wouldn't gas stations implement it on their own without the state needing to step in? And at a much wider range?
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Oct 25, 2016 13:50
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I Greyhound posted:Got a crazy printed out poster sized email from your neighbors ? Post them here. Holy poo poo it's analogue memes
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Oct 25, 2016 14:54
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Zephyrine posted:But then if it was a genuine problem and systems were being broken. Wouldn't gas stations implement it on their own without the state needing to step in? And at a much wider range? No. Most stations are independently owned or owned by small groups and those that did it would be more expensive to run in the short term. Gas stations also tend to have rather slender margins.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:15
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Defenestration posted:Holy poo poo it's analogue memes  
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Oct 25, 2016 15:20
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Anubis posted:Honestly there's an air quality safety concern. A lot of people tend to wait for the safety click to happen and then go ahead and "top it off" by partially pulling out the nozzle and pumping an extra 1/4 gallon or so in. http://www.freep.com/story/life/2015/06/28/dont-top-off-gas-tank-environment/29269833/ Hang on, topping off is a bad thing? I've always done that. I don't "partially pull out the nozzle," though.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:26
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Jurgan posted:Hang on, topping off is a bad thing? I've always done that. I don't "partially pull out the nozzle," though. In terms of "how bad" it's probably a 1 (or a 2?). But it's not a 0.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:44
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Jurgan posted:Hang on, topping off is a bad thing? I've always done that. I don't "partially pull out the nozzle," though. Bypassing the safety mechanisms that exist. Theres a gas regulator that shuts off the flow when your tank is full. People for some reason will attempt to bypass it because "its not full enough". This is bad, they mechanisms exist for a reason. If you just keep holding until it stops itself and then put it back you're fine.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:45
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Jurgan posted:Hang on, topping off is a bad thing? I've always done that. I don't "partially pull out the nozzle," though. I think there's level 2 top off where you pull out and top off to the point where you can see gasoline.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:45
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Jurgan posted:Hang on, topping off is a bad thing? I've always done that. I don't "partially pull out the nozzle," though. yeah, topping off is bad. it damages the vapor return on the nozzle, potentially damages the vapor return on your car (leading to poor gas mileage) and worse, some of the gas you pay for leaves the tank via the nozzle's vapor return and gets stuck there. topping off damages the environment, damages your car, damages the nozzle, and wastes your money. there is no good reason to do it
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Oct 25, 2016 15:45
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boner confessor posted:topping off damages the environment, damages your car, damages the nozzle, and wastes your money. https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/642984909980725248
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Oct 25, 2016 15:51
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I like to give my car a little cleaning by spraying gas on it is that bad?
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Oct 25, 2016 15:52
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Yes. Use acetone instead.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:53
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It can soak the charcoal cannister in your car's vapor system. People don't trust the auto shut off or they are trying to get that last ten cents in so they don't have to go back in for change. Who knows.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:56
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There used to be a fair few car related forwards going around at one point, mostly in the late 90s, about how things like the smog pump/electronic ignition/whatever were installed by the Trilateral Commission to advance the New Global Order because reasons. They seem to have all but disappeared now, do people just not care compared to all the other conspiracies, or did people actually figure that making cars less poo poo was a good thing?
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Oct 25, 2016 16:03
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Most important gas pump news for me, in MA... the little clips on gas pumps so you don't have to hold the trigger are recently legal again 
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Oct 25, 2016 16:07
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Guavanaut posted:Yes. Use acetone instead. Then what am I supposed to drink to forget?
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Oct 25, 2016 16:14
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The gas that you would otherwise have wasted, of course.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:18
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 It's been a while since I read about Bill's stuff with Monica, but I think they both were consenting adults?
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Oct 25, 2016 16:22
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Mo_Steel posted:
There's a legitimate argument to be made that consenting in such a power differential is impossible. Sally Hemmings "consented" to Jefferson.
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Mmhm. The question becomes/has become what consent actually MEANS when you have that level of a power difference between the two parties, but A. that's a real humdinger, B. Lewinsky has never seemed really destroyed or regretful of the situation, C. Anyone who brings up that argument when making the comparison to Trump is concern trolling so loving hard.
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