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That's how I mapped my controls yeah, some people use a button on the wheel for the handbrake as well.
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Oct 18, 2016 22:17
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Stratos is just an 037 for babies.
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Calling all scrubs: The Pugeot 406 T16 is pretty awesome too, it also happens to be the current selection for the DAILY CHALLENGE  8:52.595 is the time to beat (mine) 
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Hillclimb schmillclimb baby needs pace notes edit: my adventure in the alpine continues. Im feeling like hardly anyone drives the 60s cars because its super easy to get highish on the leaderboard.  edit2: ok now this thing is making sense 
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Oct 19, 2016 06:51
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I must be missing something about how to do the Wales stages properly. Everybody else seems to able to just fly through them at 120mph, whereas to me every stage in those accursed, slate-coloured valleys just seems like a massive skating rink covered in ball-bearings containing square turn after square turn over adverse camber that will launch me into a tree even if I take it at 7mph. I don't struggle like this in Finland or Greece or even Sweden, so what am I doing wrong? Is it something to do with my car setup or do I just need to buy myself a new, less clumsy pair of hands? Is this what Monte Carlo is like for everyone else? I always see people (on other sites) complaining about how brutally impossible that is, while I tend to drub the AI by about four seconds a kilometre there without much effort or even driving particularly cleanly. edit: ^^^ Alpine supremacy. It's the nicest car to drive in the game, I think. Light, quick-ish, predictable, doesn't get upset with you if you change your mind halfway into a corner. I'm Crap fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 08:21
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It's funny because i'm kind of the opposite. I find wales just makes perfect sense and when I try to do something the car does it where as sweeden and monte carlo utterly baffle me and the car never ever does what I think its going to. Maybe it has something to do with how I drive but I don't understand it all well enough to be sure. I can try and explain how I drive the 2010 fiesta which is the only thing im qualified to comment on. For tighter stuff I turn-in really hard with weight-transfer (brake then throttle blip to snap the back around) then catch the oversteer quickly. Really wrestle the car around. For faster corners its all about balancing the weight forward as you accelerate hard through. The biggest thing Im thinking about is how far down the nose is ducking (as a result of braking) as I begin the turn. This doesn't work as well on greece where I still haven't been able to break into the top 100, much to my frustration :/ The timing seems to be much earlier than wales where I feel you can react really late.
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Qmass posted:edit2: ok now this thing is making sense   I spun out twice, too
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I've gotten worse at Wales and much better at Monte Carlo as time has gone on. I don't understand it, but at least I can take whole seconds away from the AI on Monte Carlo stages with ice.
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 WANDERERRRRRRRRRRRRR Got like a 140 with a reset, saw the 05, had to give it another go. Laid down a blazing run, then managed to do this within throwing distance of the finish line   Imagine the A110 w/ a proper LSD and a sequential gearbox, it'd be SO FAST  Love big spreads New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Finally started to click last night. I started getting better at weight transfer at turn in, setting a manageable entry speed and oh, getting away from FWD, which just confounds me. So I got the 70's Opel. I used a few shakedowns to get used to it, spun a few times, but by the 4th or 5th shakedown, was more comfortable. The first stage I ran with the Opel, was the first clean stage I've ever run. Then I followed it up with 6 more clean, but not blazingly fast stages. Front engine RWD just makes sense to me I guess. I haven't even tried 4WD yet. I was going to map the handbrake to the shifter, but it seems that using a slightly earlier turn in means that I'm not having much trouble hitting the paddle for the handbrake. I finally got it into my head that I should be a little sideways before I get to the turn, rather than waiting till the apex, which is too late.
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New Zealand can eat me posted:Imagine the A110 w/ a proper LSD and a sequential gearbox, it'd be SO FAST Aw yeah, 1834th best - practically within grasping distance of the podium  I really should go back to the Alpine though, and try to rack up some decent times (apart from in Sweden - that's the only location I don't fancy driving in, any more than necessary), since I only drove on most of those stages once, (hence 1834th best time  ) during the championship, then never again.It's an extremely fun car to drive. Unlike all the '70s cars I've found, aside from maybe the Ford Escort (despite reading that it's apparently not a good beginner's car, compared to the Kadett) it seems. I just seem to be all over the place, compared to when I was driving the exact same stages in the Alpine. Are there any tips for driving these '70s RWD cars, at all? I feel like I'm really missing something, here.
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70s RWD all have enough power to throttle oversteer in any gear, and in general are far more sensitive to camber. "Steering with the throttle" is really important. Once you sense that you're starting to lose your rear end, completely let off the gas (you should already be countersteering), then ease back on The escort is the "hardest" because it weighs the most and also has the most power/torque, but what makes it hard is the gearing. The 2nd-3rd timing is unconventional and if you aren't really mindful of it to half-rear end the gas on upshift it'll spin you right round I took them all out for a spin on my favorite track to compare them all, came within 3/10ths of my 21st Global   I also forgot that the Kadett sounds like it's inhaling gravel, what a glorious sound 
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Hmm, OK - are there any car setup/tuning you would recommend changing from the default (for the Kadett specifically, as that's what I bought in career mode) to reduce oversteer? I've tried fiddling a little with a few things, but I haven't really noticed any difference in that department. Is loads of oversteer just something I'm going to have to deal with, regardless of how I set up my car?
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All of my times are with default tunes.  Learn to race without tuning your car, as they don't allow that in most of the daily/weekly/monthly challenges. Have a rant (feel free to skip this):Tuning is a waste of time. Drive better. Think about how you can use the oversteer to your advantage, drive differently to anticipate or prevent that from happening when you don't want it (countersteer and or less gas). Remember that the tires work best when they're only doing one thing at a time (You get to choose between steering, braking, and accelerating) Try finishing a few stages without pressing the gas all the way down. Watch some WR youtubes with telemetry overlays and notice how sometimes they actually aren't using gas/brake at all, and just steering. Being really smooth on the throttle eliminates unnecessary gear shifts, which will completely change the timing of a lot of sections and make you a lot faster. IMHO, unless you've got a top 20 global time and you're looking for those 3/10ths, theres not much point in tuning. It's tuning, not change the entire behavior of the car. You can try making the gear ratio a little longer, but all that's doing is further encouraging you to hamfist the gas instead of applying proper throttle modulation. I think the best thing for you to do would be spend like an hour doing nothing but rainy/misty/overcast Monte Carlo and Germany stages, then switch back to dry. It should just "click" after that
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There is no perfect setup, what works for you and your style won't necessarily work for someone else. Tweak the setup to cover your weaknesses rather than just grabbing whatever the WR holder did.
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Oct 20, 2016 12:41
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Or just, you know, learn how to drive lol All the time you spend tuning is time you could have spent driving
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Oct 20, 2016 12:43
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Learning how to tune could also fall under "learn how to drive"
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Learning how to drive sure helps with a car like the Lancia Fulvia with its entirely hosed up gearbox defaults.
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Yeah fair enough, I didn't realize the daily challenges, etc. don't allow you to use custom setups - I've only done a couple of them myself, and they've all been for cars I don't normally drive. (So I don't have any setups for them and wouldn't be willing to go out on a limb and making blind changes anyway, right before doing the challenge)njsykora posted:There is no perfect setup, what works for you and your style won't necessarily work for someone else. Tweak the setup to cover your weaknesses rather than just grabbing whatever the WR holder did. Yeah, this is the sort of thing I originally meant - despite not wording it all that well. Was mostly after suggestions of what to change and by how much (the descriptions ingame are quite good, although I never really know if I've over-done it or under-done it, when I make tweaks). Tuning has lost some of its incentive though now I suppose, seeing as the challenges don't allow them. I think I'll try some tougher/wetter stages again, get familiar with the car, then maybe think about making some minor adjustments when I have a better feel for the vehicle and what my main focus points with it should be.EDIT: In other news, I just came back from a 200 lap gokart team endurance event and we came first, with a clear lap between us and second place! (it's only taken years of us getting 3rd-5th each event, to manage to claim first..) Not strictly speaking rally-related, but drat it's about time I did an event decently the whole way through (whole team was extremely consistent this time 'round), both in real life and in-game, so that makes it's valid enough, right? 
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^ That's loving sick, do you have video? Honestly, if you are 100% concerned with going fast and not bending the car to suit "your needs"  , your time is better spent memorizing all the off camber spots and cuts on your favorite stages. Stop listening to the co-driver   Started drinking wwwwway before I remembered to do the daily challenges, probably could have snagged first in either if I was sober lol. Drove right into the same wall both times, depth perception am gud FWIW, the one I got 12th in is an Owners Club event with the 70s Opel, Owners Club events are unusual in that tunes are allowed. So if they're so useful feel free to post a faster time you have 6 hours /sI finally remembered to switch to 4500kbps, so you can actually see what I'm doing now: https://www.twitch.tv/sneakyness_912/v/96403347
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For anyone considering doing the wager event today - it's a trap. Lancia 037 Evo 2 in Sweden. I only got it upside down once, but let's not talk about the number of times I went beyond sideways.
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Thanks for the heads up. loving hate Sweden. All I can think about when I drive on it, is what it would be like if they could have gotten the deforming terrain/snow banks right (they pulled this feature after promising it). I like to think it bothers them a lot too, as I play a furious game of "don't. loving. touch. the. sides." These will definitely go lower on the leaderboard by the end of the day   I wish I had the balls to throw a 7:30 down on Modern Pikes Peak  Obs ate my audio again, oh well
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Events are meh today, snagged ~40th with the Manta  Mostly reminded me how much fun the 400 is, revisited my favorite stage and took my ~22nd global time up to 8th. Still on a default tune!!!!  I know better than to expect any more cars or anything, but it would be extremely cool if they gave us Ken Block's latest monster just to tear up all the existing content with. I don't want a drift mode or any ghymkhana garbage, just give me his car
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Event this weekend is THE FUCKEN DREAM!!!! - 2010s on wales *DOG NOISE LIKE A BRO* Standing half way in:
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Finished the event in 23rd. I had never done one of these things before and the weight of all those events without restarts began to build at the end for sure, which made it interesting. I choked a bit, span at least a couple times on each of the last 3 events. Still pretty happy with how I finished and I think Ill be better able to mange that feeling next time. You really can't let it make you too cautious because its the aggresion that gets your car around. If you aren't throwing the car right it doesn't respond how you expect... obviously. I also need to make some changes to the tune I use. It gets a little hairy and probably oversteers too easily when its wet.
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bought this a few days ago and I'm bad at rally. also my co-driver called a left 5 when gently caress off was it a 5, almost wrecked my car. I may have swore out loud at the wanker.
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cool new Metroid game posted:bought this a few days ago and I'm bad at rally. also my co-driver called a left 5 when gently caress off was it a 5, almost wrecked my car. I may have swore out loud at the wanker. There's a few corners that are harder than their numbering suggests - and there's a reason for that. Recce runs are done at road car pace, and the number of a corner is based off how far you have to turn the wheel (while travelling at 30mph or whatever), and that doesn't really take into account the actual level of grip you're going to get (and the pace you're coming in with). So if you've got a long straight, then a left 5 over crest, you probably need to treat that like you would a left 3, because otherwise you're going to get air over the crest and then wreck some spectators. Or if you're in Germany, you'll wreck yourself on a hinkelstein (one of those standing stones by the road). At least they've fixed the worst ones over time - there was one square right in Finland that wasn't called at all originally. Now, nearly all of the nastier corners have additional verbiage around them ("caution", "double caution", "over crest", "jump into immediate left 4", etc.) -- so just listen to all the codriver calls, not just the raw number. Final tip - smooth is slow, slow is fast. The biggest improvement in your time will be slowing down to the point where you never spin out, roll, or go off road. And while the sideways sliding action is great fun and at least half the reason I play Dirt Rally, it's actually faster to brake before the corner, get your car pointed in the right direction, then accelerate after you've got the car pointing in the right direction.
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Since we're helping people out that just started.... I've been playing for a while but usually only have maybe an hour or two a week on the game. I've gotten up past Open (right? I've completed two full leagues and finished in the top three both times), and think that I'm doing pretty decent. I've been mostly driving the Alpine, cause it's a pimpin' rad little machine, but feel like I'm missing out on something. I just can't get my car to reliably oversteer. I feel like a total fool cause I am driving a RWD car, albeit a 60s RWD, but when I really want to kick out the rear (like when I'm hitting a hairpin), I just seem to founder through the corner. I've heard of the "Scandinavian flick" and have even tried to perform it, but it just seems like I can't get my butt to hang out on low speed, tight corners. What am I doing wrong, thread?!
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I will try and explain but I find it pretty difficult to communicate most of this stuff. I kind of drive by feel not by quite understanding everything I do. First thing is you need to turn off stability control and traction control or the game will stop the things you need to do. I would assume that you aren't weight transferring at the right time. Weight transfer is a fancy way of saying moving the weight of the car from the back to the front - which in practice just means braking as you turn into a corner. When you brake, the weight of the car shifts forward pushing down on the front wheels so that steering inputs become more effective and off the back wheels so that the rear tires spin easier and the back of the car can swing around - this leads to "oversteer" which is when the back of the car swings out. If you then keep accelerating and turn to steer into the drift, you can keep that momentum going and you are drifting. Don't worry too much about the Scandinavian flick thing just yet - it is a useful technique but it is less important at lower speeds. (what it does is send you into an oversteer quickly after a period of being setup which you control, so the back of your car swings around faster when you initiate it than it would if you just turn and let the back come around on its own - so, when you are going fast and don't have the time to wait for the back to make its way around into an oversteer it can snap you into a drift - most useful for square turns where you have to turn in late but a long way) The easiest way to drift in the alpine is to combine whats called lift off oversteer (when you accelerate, the weight of the car shifts rearwards, when you stop accelerating it shifts back forwards - so its like braking but gentler because its not as strongly transferring the weight) with a direction change. This is also kind of a scandi flick its just that your actions also follow the road instead of you turning like you would crash before turning back into the corner. For example an S turn, eg a left turn which leads into a right turn. If you are accelerating through the exit of the left turn, if you simply lift off the gas as you turn into the right the car will begin drifting because lifting off has transferred the weight onto the front wheels while the car is changing direction. The other way to get a feel for this is to just dab the brake during an easy turn that you can comfortably take without drifting. If you do this mid corner while acclerating (left foot braking - just tap the brake without lifting off the accelerator) you should first see the front of the car press down then feel the car start to turn more in the direction you are going because its weight shifting. If you also lift off the gas as you brake you get a big weight transfer and then if get back on the gas the back will kick around and unless you turn the steering wheel to catch it you'll spin out quickly. Drifting is then just doing all that to the right degree with countersteering to keep that motion of the back coming around going through the corner. With the rear wheel drive cars a small drift will kind of feel like the car is crabbing diagonally. I hope this has been more helpful than confusing XD edit: Just hopped on the alpine for a bit to try and make more sense of this. Basically for a corner on Greece, for example. As I approach the corner I start to turn in and lift off the gas, this begins to turn the car not just by the front wheels turning but the back oversteering very gently. Then I tap the brake to keep the weight transfer going and then to really kick that back to keep moving around I immediately blip the gas. Now I am in a drift. I counter steer and start feathering the gas to balance the drift and keep it moving through the corner. Then its mainly power to keep the turn going - steering wheel basically sits still and you balance by more gas more turn, less gas less turn until you are ready to straighten out. Qmass fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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n-thing turn off all assists. Also if you haven't setting sensitivity to 100 and linearity to 0 in Advanced Gamepad Settings makes the game much easier to control (if you are a gamepad user like me) It's rear-engined, if you want the car to rotate you have to let off the gas, which unloads the rear suspension (because it's also rear wheel drive), and that upward "bounce" done in conjunction with a turning motion will spin your booty right round Here's a decent Alpine run I did just now (no sound I had music on), was good for 20th or so (and I beat Qmass!) https://www.twitch.tv/sneakyness_912/v/98220531?t=04m48s  E: wasn't satisfied, went back and did it again  Still scrubbed off a lot of speed in inappropriate places. Not crashing is extremely important because a few extra mph of average speed can be the difference between retaining momentum/speed through a tight turn, and having to downshift all slow like New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Wow, this unupgraded '95 Impreza is an incredibly terrible fat pig of a car, Jesus Christ.
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I'm Crap posted:Wow, this unupgraded '95 Impreza is an incredibly terrible fat pig of a car, Jesus Christ. It has the, if not one of the widest turning radii in the game. You're going to be using a lot of handbrake to get that rear end around
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It's also slooooooooowwww (before the upgrades). Drive up the steep hill after the first hairpin at Waldabstieg in second and the engine feels like it's going to stall. I kept downshifting into neutral on one stage because it had no pick-up or responsiveness at all, even in first.
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Wow, being a little bit more aggressive with braking on turn in results in heaps of gained time for heaps of additional risk. Dropped 10 seconds off one part of a stage just but Dabbing the brakes for shorter but much harsher rather than trying to be smooth about it like you would in Forza. I did like 3 reverse entries on Sweden stages last night pretty cool stuff, and would be a lot more driveable if I didnt use bonnet-cam (or learned how to use the right stick to look in the direction im going.)
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Qmass and New Zealand can eat me, thanks for the tips. I actually drive with all assists off, but from what you two are saying it seems that I'm getting the weight transfer aspect wrong. What I usually do for those hairpins is basically jam the brakes heading up to them to get my speed down, then plug on the accelerator. This seems to cause my car to either a) wallow through the turn, understeering pretty bad or b) gets me down to a crawl. I guess I'm just being too much of a chicken and slowing down too much. Logically, I know that by sliding I'll be able to kill off speed, but man is it hard to accept that when I'm flying along and a hairpin comes up. I am using a controller though, so I'll do what was suggested by New Zealand can eat me. I think part of my suckitude is caused by me using the PS4 controller, I've always felt that the PS controllers weren't so good for fine input on the stick/triggers. I wish I could get a wheel, but getting my wife to let me spring the nearly $500 one would cost in South Korea is a little out of the question. *edit* Since I've asked one question, I'll ask another. How do you folks drive on snow?! When I do those championships I usually fair pretty well on the normal stages (except Wales, those stages are 50/50 on whether I'll fly off the course), but Sweden kills me. It seems like I can't get my car much above 40kph before it starts becoming a totally uncontrollable death box. USMC_Karl fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Qmass posted:First thing is you need to turn off stability control and traction control or the game will stop the things you need to do. New Zealand can eat me posted:n-thing turn off all assists. Ah, that might be useful - I think I left it with the default settings, which I think has all the assists on. I'll try to remember to switch 'em off, and see if that helps me lift my game. Also, bit late on this: New Zealand can eat me posted:^ That's loving sick, do you have video? But no unfortunately, I don't. I think I saw someone recording the race (or chunks of it, at least), so I'll see if I can get a copy, or a link if they upload it. It was certainly a tense race, especially as the team in second place is notorious for driving super aggressively, and they were right behind us nearly the whole time.
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As far as controllers go, I think the Xbone controller is fantastic, it's what I use. I'm Crap posted:It's also slooooooooowwww (before the upgrades). Drive up the steep hill after the first hairpin at Waldabstieg in second and the engine feels like it's going to stall. I kept downshifting into neutral on one stage because it had no pick-up or responsiveness at all, even in first. Use the clutch instead (you will have to enable it if you haven't). Really though you should be trying to figure out how to be more carlos santana (loving smooth), and carry more momentum into that section. A straight line is rarely the fastest path I have no idea where to start with snow driving. I grew up driving in it, so Sweden feels a bit like some of my previous morning commutes. - Use way way way less throttle. Upshift early and often, the bigger ratios will stop your drive wheels from breaking loose so much, and you will go much, much faster than you were prepared for. - As far as stopping goes, never ever ever ever try to stop and turn at the same time on snow, it's just not going to work. Depending on the drivetrain, engine braking/downshifting can be surprisingly effective and will lend itself well to the type of slides you are trying to make, assuming the weight of the car is "correct" and the camber of the track is not fighting to upset that - The handbrake is your friend, try to think about what the wheels will do when you're sliding sideways, if they're rolling forward at a given speed, vs locked into place. The advanced version of this is really "steering with the throttle", sometimes you want to gun it a bit to break the wheels loose more, and other times you need to "eat" some of your momentum so you let go of the throttle and let movement turn into revs Really though. Sweden is miserable. It's really, really pretty, but just not fun. I wouldn't sweat spending too much time on it. It's like the opposite of bumper bowling
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