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Redeye Flight posted:Mmhm. The question becomes/has become what consent actually MEANS when you have that level of a power difference between the two parties, but A. that's a real humdinger, B. Lewinsky has never seemed really destroyed or regretful of the situation, C. Anyone who brings up that argument when making the comparison to Trump is concern trolling so loving hard. AFAIK Lewinsky has only protested her treatment and the circus after everything came out, including Clinton never truly owning up to it.It was a consensual relationship, with the only iffy part being the power differential but Clinton was not trading sex acts for favors or threatening her job so that's pretty minimal.
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Also Hillary is on tape being privately upset at Lewinsky and Flowers when she was hurt about the overall infidelity revelations, which while not fair to either of those women, is understandable. The right has turned these private moments into "she ran a war room against Bill's rape victims".
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Redeye Flight posted:Mmhm. The question becomes/has become what consent actually MEANS when you have that level of a power difference between the two parties, but A. that's a real humdinger, B. Lewinsky has never seemed really destroyed or regretful of the situation, C. Anyone who brings up that argument when making the comparison to Trump is concern trolling so loving hard. She's been fairly vocal in recent years that she regrets that the circus around it has followed her ever since and made it difficult for her to live anything close to a normal life but she's never regretted the acts themselves. The meme still treats it like the issue was Trumps choice of words and not the context of what he was talking about. e:fb
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Goatman Sacks posted:Also Hillary is on tape being privately upset at Lewinsky and Flowers when she was hurt about the overall infidelity revelations, which while not fair to either of those women, is understandable.
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Mo_Steel posted:
I still don't quite understand the people that think the outrage is over "rude words" or whatever. Like...how hard is it to understand that violently grabbing people's genitals (or at all, really) without their consent is a bad thing???
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Also, regardless of all that, if Bill Clinton were somehow able to run for a third term, he'd never get past a primary with that history hanging over him. Trump not only won the GOP primary but has the same people who put the whip to Clinton's back stumping for him.
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Knight posted:Is there even a tape with Hillary talking about Lewinsky? The "narcissistic loony tune" quote came from a journal entry describing someone's private conversation with Hillary, and wasn't even known to the public until after that person died and her husband donated the journal to a museum. I think over the years these stories have just morphed into urban legends. Right, sorry that's what I meant, not a tape. Point is, private conversation that's been morphed into some sort of monstrous Tetsuo-like all-encompassing freak show.
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jivjov posted:I still don't quite understand the people that think the outrage is over "rude words" or whatever. Like...how hard is it to understand that violently grabbing people's genitals (or at all, really) without their consent is a bad thing??? It's not hyperbole to say a lot of conservatives don't understand the concept of consent. See, Rush Limbaugh talking about the "rape police" and "all the liberals need is the magic words of consent for something to be ok"
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Defenestration posted:Open carry is not compatible with civil society. (or concealed carry for that matter but that's not the issue here)
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Goatman Sacks posted:It's not hyperbole to say a lot of conservatives don't understand the concept of consent. See, Rush Limbaugh talking about the "rape police" and "all the liberals need is the magic words of consent for something to be ok" That's honestly pretty terrifying.
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Jurgan posted:Something like that happened during the Cold War. A lot of government funded programs like the interstate highway system and the space program were created for the purpose of preparing for war with the Soviets. It just so happened that the benefits spilled over into the private sector. https://soundcloud.com/backstory/fill-your-hands
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Goatman Sacks posted:It's not hyperbole to say a lot of conservatives don't understand the concept of consent. See, Rush Limbaugh talking about the "rape police" and "all the liberals need is the magic words of consent for something to be ok" Someone has to confirm something is okay for it to be okay?!? Coddled!!! Safe spaces!!! Trigger warnings!!!!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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 ) consenting adults to do whatever they want to do, in the privacy of their own homes, it's apparently a terrible loving thing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJWcrdjOhDE Goatman Sacks posted:It's not hyperbole to say a lot of conservatives don't understand the concept of consent. See, Rush Limbaugh talking about the "rape police" and "all the liberals need is the magic words of consent for something to be ok" jivjov posted:That's honestly pretty terrifying.
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If only someone with security clearance who knows about the law had investigated Hillary. The head of the FBI, maybe. Oh, well.
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Jurgan posted:If only someone with security clearance who knows about the law had investigated Hillary. The head of the FBI, maybe. Oh, well. Alternatively, I'm pretty sure anyone posting that meme also doesn't have security clearance, so... 
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Ken Tucky posted:"statist" Welp, we're done here.
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I don't remember the exact quote, but a Libertarian calling a normal person a Statist is about as insulting as a pedophile calling a normal person an "adult fucker" Yep. That's me, a Statist adultfucker. You got me.
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borkencode posted:To be honest, I was trying to troll him into responding. "here are the rules for making the debates" "I didn't make them, so it's someone else's fault" Libertarians.txt
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I don't remember the exact quote, but a Libertarian calling a normal person a Statist is about as insulting as a pedophile calling a normal person an "adult fucker" Ugh, and I bet you only gently caress people who give consent too. What a monster.
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Goatman Sacks posted:"here are the rules for making the debates" ugh i gor arrested and banned from the high school football stadium for trying to help the kicker make a field goal. gently caress the authoritarian duopoly of the jackson county school district athletics department
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Goatman Sacks posted:Also Hillary is on tape being privately upset at Lewinsky and Flowers when she was hurt about the overall infidelity revelations, which while not fair to either of those women, is understandable. I mean, I think it's fair to be mad at women your husband had an affair with, as long as you also are mad at him for being kind of a dick. Also people keep saying conservatives don't understand consent, which isn't the only truth of this. Conservatives just don't think women are legally, morally, or socially capable of responsibly giving consent. Consent is for people they consider to be adult moral actors, i.e. straight white men.
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So the only consensual sex is between two straight white male republicans? This explains certain events.
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Lightning Knight posted:Also people keep saying conservatives don't understand consent, which isn't the only truth of this. Conservatives just don't think women are legally, morally, or socially capable of responsibly giving consent. Consent is for people they consider to be adult moral actors, i.e. straight white men. They believe that a woman who has been maneuvered into a position where sex might happen is there only because she actually wanted to be there and thus direct consent is not required as it is already implied by the situation. In other words... 
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Zephyrine posted:Isn't that what I said? The point being that striving for 0% unemployment is fruitless because it would not benefit the country anyway. This is the point I was getting at; striving for 0% unemployment will produce a lot of the outcomes that liberals like, even if it could possibly lead to future problems. The acceptance of the late 1970s "full employment policies turned out to be bad" outlook is kind of ironic in modern liberals, considering the revolution we've had in GDP share and all the widely publicized negative outcomes from that. Like yeah, mathematically you can't run full employment forever and anyone who has taken macro in high school could tell you that, but there are still some things to take away for real world policy beyond "full employment doesn't work anyway."
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I'm not going to be satisfied until we have a 100% labor force participation rate. Get back to work grandpa, we need more hands in the lead mine.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I'm not going to be satisfied until we have a 100% labor force participation rate. Tbf lead is most dangerous during developing years.
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borkencode posted:To be honest, I was trying to troll him into responding. Why would being denied a spot at the debates cause Johnson to lose support though? I can understand the logic in saying it's denying him the ability to gain support, since he's less known, but if his support is dropping that means these are people who supported Johnson and then stopped doing so. How do the debates factor in? Is he so inept that he can't make his positions and policies known unless it's in a debate format? I mean this guy is basically admitting Johnson is an idiot but under the right circumstances he can fool you into thinking he's intelligent.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Why would being denied a spot at the debates cause Johnson to lose support though? I can understand the logic in saying it's denying him the ability to gain support, since he's less known, but if his support is dropping that means these are people who supported Johnson and then stopped doing so. How do the debates factor in? Is he so inept that he can't make his positions and policies known unless it's in a debate format? I mean this guy is basically admitting Johnson is an idiot but under the right circumstances he can fool you into thinking he's intelligent. the sheeple can only be lead by mass media exposure of their corrupt candidates etc. so on
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Arglebargle III posted:This is the point I was getting at; striving for 0% unemployment will produce a lot of the outcomes that liberals like, even if it could possibly lead to future problems. The acceptance of the late 1970s "full employment policies turned out to be bad" outlook is kind of ironic in modern liberals, considering the revolution we've had in GDP share and all the widely publicized negative outcomes from that. Like yeah, mathematically you can't run full employment forever and anyone who has taken macro in high school could tell you that, but there are still some things to take away for real world policy beyond "full employment doesn't work anyway." for all intensive porpoises, we're in a post scarcity world and people for the most part don't have to be required to work. the investor class and property owners love to butt heads and whatnot, but automation isn't going to be adding jobs any time soon and the consolidation of wealth is going to continue to increasingly go to fewer people. I mean, I'm on board with Keynes, but the bug in the system of 100% employment was found in the 70s, and the question needs to be "why do we have to work?" going forward.
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Phone posted:for all intensive porpoises, we're in a post scarcity world and people for the most part don't have to be required to work. For white collar workers maybe but even if you magic away things like "people prefer to talk to other people when doing service tasks" there are most definitely things that do not have a non-worker solution. Like straight up we do not have the technology to replace a person.
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Phone posted:for all intensive porpoises I hate you a little now.
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computer parts posted:For white collar workers maybe but even if you magic away things like "people prefer to talk to other people when doing service tasks" there are most definitely things that do not have a non-worker solution. Oh yeah, you're not going to let a robot carry grandma and the employment floor does exist; however, automation is going to continue no matter how many politicians promise that they're going to bring back "our jobs" . The notion (and questioning) of needing to work is the real issue at hand, and stuff like guaranteed minimum income is secondary at best.
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Phone posted:Oh yeah, you're not going to let a robot carry grandma ???? 
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Buzkashi posted:???? My grandma had one of those at her house before moving into an assisted living center, it owned.
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 God bless my trailer trash aunt who lives on social security and painkillers, and who's convinced that everybody else is a welfare queen who doesn't lift a finger to do anything, ever - unless it involves electing Obummer for a third term then they all vote 100 times a day. Also heavily featured are Jesus "footsteps in the sand" memes, and "share if you recognize what *this* is!!!!" (spoiler: it's a picture of a basic tool for personal hygiene or home and auto maintenance, although sometimes for difficulty points it might be a picture of baby jesus in the manger, or an american flag) coyo7e fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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I have lots of friends with security clearance, unlike the person who ever made this image. When something unintentional happens they get restricted access, have to take a course, and then it's restored.
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borkencode posted:To be honest, I was trying to troll him into responding. I always love this. If Gary Johnson was really a good candidate he could of made the debates. All he needed was around 1/7 people to say they would vote for him. It's not a terribly high bar to clear, but here we are. Goatman Sacks posted:"here are the rules for making the debates" Also this.
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coyo7e posted:Also heavily featured are Jesus "footsteps in the sand" memes, Reply with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSeS7vTEkHE
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