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Colosmicon posted:y'know if you commie dorks don't actually up and revolt one of these days, this whole thread will just be a big buncha nothing but we already know that M-L revolutions don't work so unless they're going to worship at the altar of cybersyn or something then we all seen this episode
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Typo posted:The flip side of this is that wages are rising in developed countries as well. While it might be true wages will be converging between China and the USA: it's quite possible this convergence still leaves the average America better off than they were in the 1980s. A globalized middle class might actually prove be quite stable for the liberal world order. How do you figure though? Working class real wages in the USA haven't rose since the 70s, at the same time every family below middle class needed to compensate with unprecedented, crippling consumer debt. Yet productivity has never stopped going up. Global trends are proving that advertising is being spent elsewhere, even our consumer economy is in jeopardy. India is developing a large white collar base, some US insurance are undercutting our doctors and sending patients to India because the cost is lower to fly a patient there. Our middle class isn't stable either. We have entire industrial complexes that are run entirely on slave wages in our (black majority) prisons. We have sweatshops from coerced economic hegemony, with CIA funds to back up contingencies. Our states and cities have to compete by undercutting corporate tax to have a company land in their community. Nations, states and cities can only run on massive financial debt, the only sensible political move is to borrow money, then inevitably the question becomes either cut services or raise taxes to fend off interest. If anything I find it more utopian to think that things will ever become stable and normalize under the current system. Deimus fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 11:21
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You're just an idiot who only reads the left equivalent of Fox News.
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Oct 25, 2016 12:56
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gently caress!
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Oct 25, 2016 13:22
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It's kind of interesting that the "left equivalent of Fox News" is independent media.
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Oct 25, 2016 13:23
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Rated PG-34 posted:It's kind of interesting that the "left equivalent of Fox News" is independent media. Exactly what Fox News readers think they're reading. Also you're not suggesting "independent" means left leaning are you?
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Oct 25, 2016 14:03
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asdf32 posted:Exactly what Fox News readers think they're reading. Independent means they're not funded by advertising and the traditional model.
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Oct 25, 2016 14:14
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asdf32 posted:Heh
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Oct 25, 2016 14:53
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Anything a PSL guy would read probably isn't the left equivalent of Fox News, it'd be more like the left equivalent of /pol/.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Anything a PSL guy would read probably isn't the left equivalent of Fox News, it'd be more like the left equivalent of /pol/. The thread recommended books 3 pages ago.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:34
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Deimus posted:The thread recommended books 3 pages ago. I'm talking media-wise.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:35
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ya'll talking bout horseshoe theory in here?????
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Jewel Repetition posted:I'm talking media-wise. There is a /leftypol/ and nobody cares.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:39
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Karl Barks posted:ya'll talking bout horseshoe theory in here????? Mebbeh :3
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Oct 25, 2016 16:41
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Karl Barks posted:ya'll talking bout horseshoe theory in here????? For all intents and purposes, there's no difference between Saudi Arabia and Chile under Allende.
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Oct 25, 2016 17:16
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Karl Barks posted:ya'll talking bout horseshoe theory in here????? Yep because horseshoe theory is good.
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Oct 25, 2016 17:26
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Maybe the truth lies in the middle?!
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admittedly, the op could be better, not much info in there. and this is basically a general socialism thread at this point instead of PSL focused. also asdf should stop posting
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Oct 25, 2016 17:33
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asdf32 posted:Yep because horseshoe theory is good. "The status quo is inherently good" is a theory devised by the brainless for the brainless, so I guess it's no surprise you like it so much.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:06
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Rejecting the mainstream is more likely to look like this: "Can't believe that liberal media and their made up climate change nonsense. Blah blah corporation/Washington/money". Or: [Homework explainer defending stalin/north korea] Than civil rights or whatever you're imagining.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:59
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Can't believe those Jacobins would question the divine right of our sovereign.
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Oct 25, 2016 19:09
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asdf32 posted:Rejecting the mainstream is more likely to look like this: ???
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Oct 25, 2016 19:12
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Can't believe those Jacobins would question the divine right of our sovereign. Of all the people who questioned the divine right of the king, you choose the idiot losers?
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asdf32 posted:Yep because horseshoe theory is good. i have a theory that if you start posting by throwing horseshoes at your keyboard the quality of your contributions will increase exponentially
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Oct 25, 2016 20:45
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Of all the people who questioned the divine right of the king, you choose the idiot losers? If decapitating aristocracy is losing then I never wanna win.
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Oct 25, 2016 23:59
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I never wanna win. You're in the right place, friend.
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Oct 26, 2016 00:05
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love 2 slay the parasitic ruling class
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:You're in the right place, friend. When that I was and a little, tiny boy, Me daddy said to me, 'The time has come, me bonny, bonny bairn, To learn your ABC.' Now Daddy was a lodge chairman In the coalfields of the Tyne And his ABC was different From the Enid Blyton kind. He sang, 'A is for Alienation That made me the man that I am, and B's for the Boss who's a Bastard, A Bourgeois who don't give a drat. C is for Capitalism, The bosses' reactionary creed, and D's for Dictatorship, laddie, But the best proletarian breed. E is for Exploitation That workers have suffered so long, and F is for old Ludwig Feuerbach, The first one to say it was wrong. G is all Gerrymanderers, Like Lord Muck and Sir Whatsisname, and H is the Hell that they'll go to When the workers have kindled the flame. I's for Imperialism, And America's kind is the worst, and J is for sweet Jingoism, That the Tories all think of the first. K is for good old Kier Hardy, Who fought out the working class fight, and L is for Vladimir Lenin, Who showed him the left was all right. M is of course for Karl Marx, The daddy and the mommy of them all, and N is for Nationalisation - Without it we'd tumble and fall. O is for Overproduction, That capitalist economy brings, and P is for all Private Property, The greatest of all of the sins. Q's for the Quid pro quo, That we'll deal out so well and so soon, when R for Revolution is shouted and The Red Flag becomes the top tune. S is for Sad Stalinism That gave us all such a bad name, and T is for Trotsky, the hero, Who had to take all of the blame. U's for the Union of Workers - The Union will stand to the end, and V is for Vodka, yes, Vodka, The vun drink that vont bring the bends. W's for all Willing Workers, And that's where the memory fades, For X, Y, and Zed,' my dear daddy said, 'Will be written on the street barricades.' Now that I'm not a little tiny boy, Me daddy says to me, 'Please try to forget those thing that I said, Especially the ABC.' For daddy is no longer a union man, And he's had to change his plea. His alphabet is different now, Since they made him a Labour MP.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:love 2 slay the parasitic ruling class tbh if the PSL party platform was "we promise to execute a bunch of oligarchs, then each other, then be effortlessly swept from power forever," you might get a lot of voters who aren't necessarily interested in long-term revolution but would still like to see the ruling class smashed up a bit. I should consult for them, really. What do you think they pay in, beets?
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Oct 26, 2016 00:24
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if the PSL was just those dudes in robot suits from one punch man that didn't want to work and went around smashing buildings owned by rich guys i'd vote for them every year unfortunately they weren't on the ballot in my state
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rudatron posted:Well, what are you interested in? What's your big pull factor, I guess? I read the Manifesto and I loved it. I also know that Marxist line of thought had it's fingers in many different fields outside of economics. I studied psychology during undergraduate and have been toying around with areas of study as I think about graduate school.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:03
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There is a /leftypol/ and nobody cares. To be fair these guys pump out some decent memes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLhlSiCk0ME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0-mUbGklqU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flEDBnDW4Rg
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Odobenidae posted:To be fair these guys pump out some decent memes. Max Stirner memes are better than this, get that weak poo poo outta here fam.
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Fullhouse posted:if the PSL was just those dudes in robot suits from one punch man that didn't want to work and went around smashing buildings owned by rich guys i'd vote for them every year
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yo question for bernie sanders' fans - in westworld why do the human techs refer to guests as rich assholes in a world where robots do the grunt work shouldn't have robots wiped out all grunt work so everybody lives a life of leisure is this what happens when you preclude medievalworld and romeworld
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Man Musk posted:yo question for bernie sanders' fans - i dunno, i haven't seen the tv show yet (just heard of it from you in fact)
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Condiv posted:i dunno, i haven't seen the tv show yet (just heard of it from you in fact) it's kewl but more popcorny than the film version for sure (I guess since JJ Abrams is backing it) . . . still different enough if you like sci fi and westerns ! !
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Man Musk posted:it's kewl but more popcorny than the film version for sure (I guess since JJ Abrams is backing it) . . . still different enough if you like sci fi and westerns ! ! i'll check it out, it seems to be doing well critically
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Man Musk posted:in westworld why do the human techs refer to guests as rich assholes in a world where robots do the grunt work You should read the article "Four Futures" from Jacobin, and maybe also read the follow up book which expands on it that I've been reading in bits an pieces when I'm not playing Civ VI. One potential manifestation of post-capitalism is Rentism, where the old hierarchies of property entitlements are exploited to charge rent for access to abundance. In this case it would be the people who own the robots which maintain their own personal security & wealth, while everyone else is in thrall to them through the rentier system. People in the lower classes of society would be constantly indebted to the rentiers, and while "grunt work" can be eliminated there's no shortage of social and analytical work which can be created. I haven't seen any of Westworld, but I remember watching the movie on tv once when I was a kid (loved it btw). IIRC the movie was exclusively set within the theme parks, and there's no portrayal of the outside world and what it looks like. As far as we know, the world could be filled with a massive redundant underclass which lives off the scraps of the propertied classes & their servant labor. It'd be nice to think that if robotization eliminated the need for physical labor, it would mean abundance for the whole of society. But you shouldn't underestimate the ability of the powerful to manipulate opinions and manage the acceptable bounds of politics. If the masses are convinced that property rights are just within a liberal framework, you could easily see the formation of rentism.
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