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UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

smoobles posted:

Hillary and Donald are the only two options for president. Voting third party if you're left leaning helps the right wing guy win. Voting third party if you're right leaning helps the left wing girl win.

A smart person votes for their preferred person during the primaries but then also votes for their preferred platform (out of the only two options) in the general election. If your person doesn't win the primary and then you vote for a third party in the general then you are real dumb because you're helping the platform most different than yours win.

This is why Bernie is urging his supporters to vote Hillary, because he is a real smart boy and not a dumb idiot.

This is a really long thread, hope I could help.

This isn't correct. Go back and try again.

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UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Brainiac Five posted:

Ah, there's the problem. You apply the word "communication" to what you're doing in this thread.

:lol:! ! !

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Potato Salad posted:

The "Hillary and her supporters are warmongers" is getting so worn and transparently thin that I have to wonder if it was ever a serious attempt at argument in the first place.

It's so annoying man. Ugh.

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

NewForumSoftware posted:

What is it about the posters in D&D that they just get reduced to a pile of "savage" one liners whenever you manage to actually make a point. Literally doubleposting from clicking the submit button so hard.

Yeah it almost makes you not want to bother with reading or respecting any part of D&D.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Brainiac Five
Mar 28, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

UP AND ADAM posted:

Yeah it almost makes you not want to bother with reading or respecting any part of D&D.

I'm sure we'll miss your lovable inability to use the quote function properly.

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Rudoku posted:

I don't give a gently caress, just don't gently caress up the down ticket votes. That's where assholes clean up and get into office.

Probably because you aren't some simpering stooge who has a personal self-image investment in the political process.

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Brainiac Five posted:

Call to Action, do you know what a BWR is, and how it differs from a PWR? Are you familiar with the proposals advanced under the SMR project, such as PBRs?

Owned man!

WampaLord posted:

He voted for Jill Stein, he knows literally nothing.

Utterly roasted! Turboburn!

Brainiac Five
Mar 28, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

UP AND ADAM posted:

Owned man!


Utterly roasted! Turboburn!

So, any particular reason you took a break from your strenuous career of whining about people liking anime to join the throng here? Just couldn't take the slanders directed at the good doctor any more?

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

UP AND ADAM posted:

Owned man!


Utterly roasted! Turboburn!

nice meltdown, have u considered deleting ur account, friend?

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

UP AND ADAM posted:

Owned man!

Utterly roasted! Turboburn!

:wow:

misogyny? in my third party voting thread?

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

call to action posted:

The other reason I voted Stein is to get a bunch of retards in this thread riled up, so I'd say mission accomplished (I particularly loved the "thanks for backing me up bro" circleburns)

You missed the 'Forwarded Political Emails' thread with your "One crazy trick that drives LIEbrals mad!" example.

xXx420PuPpEtMa$t3rxXx

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
This thread sucks so hard you'd think Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, and General Secretary La Riva were posting in it.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Jill wants to keep her options open.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Taerkar posted:

Jill wants to keep her options open.

Jill will open free j/o crystal charging stations for all!

Armani
Jun 22, 2008

Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

But every night I see her smile inside my dreams

Sethex posted:

Tbh outside of the really fringe candidates a trump win would be the most enjoyable outcome.

you're all panicking about him using nukes an legalizing rape or some other nonsense while the conventional US establishment is interested in a new cold war with Russia that is simply dumb an gay.

The fact that it has almost always been Russia that America looks to as a nemesis, isnt a good reason to continue wasting effort antagonizing the country with one of the largest nuke piles.

it seems the US political culture that is tolerated by corporate america's administrators are out of ideas.

Get set for the status quo, because the Republicans are going to have Congress until the districts are re gerrymandering.

As an investor I would love to get in on a trump recession, if millenials obsessed with sexuality in politics would focus on materialistic subjects then maybe there wouldn't be such a huge industry of bloggers writing slate articles on how poor 20 somethings are.

Can you elaborate on the bolded part, please?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


stone cold posted:

Jill will open free j/o crystal charging stations for all!

oh hell yes

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
Shillary basically told goldman sachs she wants to reduce regulations on wall street and thinks they should pay less taxes but instead we should have faith in vague campaign promises.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Armani posted:

Can you elaborate on the bolded part, please?

I can only parse 2 things from this:

1. Recessions can be very profitable for competent investors, particularly if they're predictable (because you can be very confident that the market will improve again in the future, so it's a good time to buy and then sell once the market returns to normal). I guess this is pretty true, though it's hard to say whether Trump would actually be capable of doing something that would cause a recession during his presidency (though we're about due for another recession regardless of who becomes president).

2. I think he is trying to say that the economy is bad because millennials (and I guess other liberals/leftists) focus on "identity politics" instead of economic policy. This is obviously pretty dumb, because a bunch of millennials supported Bernie who talked a bunch about income/wealth inequality and Hillary has adopted some of his platform as a result. I think this idea stems from the fact that some people (like Sethex) believe that people can only care about one thing at once, so if millennials care about stuff like race/LGBT issues then they obviously can't also care about economic issues.

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Panzeh posted:

Shillary basically told goldman sachs she wants to reduce regulations on wall street and thinks they should pay less taxes but instead we should have faith in vague campaign promises.

As opposed to?

honest question, how old are the 3rd-party voters here?

As a venerable of 24 winters, I'm guessing an average 20.

Tbh I voted Stein in my first election and all's I can say now is LOOOOOOOÔL

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Ytlaya posted:

2. I think he is trying to say that the economy is bad because millennials (and I guess other liberals/leftists) focus on "identity politics" instead of economic policy. This is obviously pretty dumb, because a bunch of millennials supported Bernie who talked a bunch about income/wealth inequality and Hillary has adopted some of his platform as a result. I think this idea stems from the fact that some people (like Sethex) believe that people can only care about one thing at once, so if millennials care about stuff like race/LGBT issues then they obviously can't also care about economic issues.

Wait, you actually think Hillary's (or any other candidate's) platform means something? I thought that was just something Hillary supporters said to try and placate/condescend to Bernie supporters.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
drat, take a look at that thermonuclear take

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

vintagepurple posted:

As opposed to?

honest question, how old are the 3rd-party voters here?

As a venerable of 24 winters, I'm guessing an average 20.

Tbh I voted Stein in my first election and all's I can say now is LOOOOOOOÔL

That's a pretty no-win question, isn't it?

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Panzeh posted:

That's a pretty no-win question, isn't it?
I don't even understand what it's supposed to demonstrate. The notion that the age of voters for Stein or Johnson or whatever splinter socialist faction would have anything to do with each other doesn't make any sort of sense to me. "The average age of Stein voters is 20" is maybe a fact that maybe has some utility. "The collective average age of Stein and Johnson voters is 20", just leaves a bunch of open questions about average weights and distributions "Johnson has five time as many supporters, but half of Stein's supporters are literal fetuses who are voting illegally, what does this mean?" and such. All of that ignores that polling D&D for demographic data is terrible for obvious reasons.
edit:
I mean I know it's actually intended to be a burn on third party voters somehow, but the burn is so weak that I feel like engaging with it as a serious question is more charitable. Kids are collectively dumb, and I'd happily up the voting age to 25, but being a kid doesn't auto-invalidate your opinion somehow.

twodot fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Oct 25, 2016

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
Voting should be restricted to the elite; people are too stupid to vote in the first place. The founding fathers were right.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

call to action posted:

Wait, you actually think Hillary's (or any other candidate's) platform means something? I thought that was just something Hillary supporters said to try and placate/condescend to Bernie supporters.

Given that historically candidates tend to do most of the stuff they outline in their platforms, I see no rational reason to assume that Hillary's platform is all lies meant to entice more left-leaning Democrats.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

call to action posted:

Wait, you actually think Hillary's (or any other candidate's) platform means something? I thought that was just something Hillary supporters said to try and placate/condescend to Bernie supporters.

When you think about it why even vote anyways?

Vote Ron Paul

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/791039099721306113

Oh hey check it, people are doing as I and others in the thread have been recommending. Cool, cool.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

SSNeoman posted:

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/791039099721306113

Oh hey check it, people are doing as I and others in the thread have been recommending. Cool, cool.
What's the point of this? Everyone knows 98+% of voters agree with you on this, we've had many elections demonstrating this fact.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

twodot posted:

What's the point of this? Everyone knows 98+% of voters agree with you on this, we've had many elections demonstrating this fact.

And yet this thread was still made.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Who What Now posted:

And yet this thread was still made.
This isn't offering a point why anyone should care that "Almost all people who vote agree with my strategy on voting". Like I don't know what the stats are on "Are ghosts real?", but there is literally no percentage that could convince me ghosts are real.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

twodot posted:

This isn't offering a point why anyone should care that "Almost all people who vote agree with my strategy on voting". Like I don't know what the stats are on "Are ghosts real?", but there is literally no percentage that could convince me ghosts are real.

If anything, I'd be more inclined on the ghost thing. I think way more people believe in ghosts than vote third party.

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

stone cold posted:

If anything, I'd be more inclined on the ghost thing. I think way more people believe in ghosts than vote third party.

my guess is way more people believe in ghosts than evolution

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

NewForumSoftware posted:

my guess is way more people believe in ghosts than evolution

Probably....

I'm sad about America now :(

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

stone cold posted:

Probably....

I'm sad about America now :(

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/may/04/kareem-abdul-jabbar/nba-legend-abdul-jabbar-more-whites-believe-ghosts/

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Sethex posted:

You think you can be a progressive, and be for the trans Pacific partnership?

Yes, quite possibly. What are your objections to the TPP, and why?

There are reasonable, sensible, left-leaning objections, I'm just curious whether you have any of them.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014


I'm not sure if at this point I can muster any disappointment in politifact but like gently caress them mostly false my rear end

spotlessd
Sep 8, 2016

by merry exmarx
Ugh, loving ignorant poors getting duped by Republicans are so pathetic. *breathlessly advocates for the election of triangulating careerist parasite*

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

spotlessd posted:

Ugh, loving ignorant poors getting duped by Republicans are so pathetic. *breathlessly advocates for the election of triangulating careerist parasite*

Trump is on the Republican side though?

spotlessd
Sep 8, 2016

by merry exmarx

stone cold posted:

Probably....

I'm sad about America now :(

Who even cares? Believing in ghosts is just barely more moronic than voting.

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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

twodot posted:

What's the point of this? Everyone knows 98+% of voters agree with you on this, we've had many elections demonstrating this fact.

Well for one thing, the strategic case for voting third party, that it will move the major parties in their direction, depends on the Republicans/Democrats running into lolbertarian/anti-wifi tinfoil crystal healer territory to get your precious precious vote.

If the number of actual third-party voters are so small that neither major party actually has any reason to adopt Johnson/Stein's stupid positions because they would lose more voters than they gained thereby, then you're better off voting for the major party candidate closer to your views and encouraging others to do the same.

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