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Zaphod42 posted:People were already complaining in-thread that you'd shoot somebody and they'd be back alive in a few days making that almost have no weight or meaning. If you shot somebody and then walked outside and saw their copy walking around or coming to take their place, it'd be even worse. Disneyland has multiple copies of the same character running around - they're just very careful about making sure they aren't in the same area of the park at the same time.
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Gynecolojustice posted:Yeah, that's fair, I just think he is a lot less badass now that we know he has to radio to Delos to activate special toys here and there I don't think he has to radio them, the toys just automatically phone home for permission to go off once their fuse is activated.
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Gynecolojustice posted:Yeah, that's fair, I just think he is a lot less badass now that we know he has to radio to Delos to activate special toys here and there Like I said before, I don't think he actually radio'd them. Maaaybe he did off-camera, but I think the way it works is you just light the fuse, and if they don't give you "permission" the explosive ends up being a "dud" all along. Like, the guys in the town didn't radio for permission to start shooting dudes. They just did it, and then when permission was recinded the guns started jamming out of nowhere. Solkanar512 posted:Disneyland has multiple copies of the same character running around - they're just very careful about making sure they aren't in the same area of the park at the same time. I'm aware, but this isn't disneyland. Disneyland also has like, what, ~10 characters total as costumes? While WestWorld has entire towns and generations of families running around. Apples and Oranges.
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm aware, but this isn't disneyland. Disneyland also has like, what, ~10 characters total as costumes? While WestWorld has entire towns and generations of families running around. Apples and Oranges. If I shot Mickey Mouse in Toontown and then saw him later in Frontierland I'd probably be pretty ticked off. GobiasIndustries fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 18:06
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Solkanar512 posted:I took it more as the MiB is a famous person in the real world and doesn't want complete randos to be weird around him. Thanks for putting the idea of Bill Murray visiting the park in my head. Kazy posted:I don't think he has to radio them, the toys just automatically phone home for permission to go off once their fuse is activated. Yeah, it struck me as "Maybe we shouldn't let guests blow poo poo up whenever they want". They specifically mentioned they were small pyros.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:07
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tadashi posted:I asked a friend why no one in this post-sexual preference future is sexually assaulting male hosts and he couldn't figure it out, either. Perhaps the future is so liberated that outside the park it's pride week 24/7 and people just get really tired of all the gay sex they're having. College taught me that it's actually the male gaze.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:15
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What if there are two timelines but the MIB time line is happening first and his reward from finishing the maze is turning into a younger uglier version of himself?
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Oct 25, 2016 18:17
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indigi posted:yeah but Logan - or any other character - hasn't assaulted/raped any male hosts the way we've seen with Dolores or heard implied by the Westworld staff.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:24
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Let me tell you about my Trevor Theory You know Trevor from GTAV is in Westworld as an NPC, well he's also in The Walking Dead. Could The Walking Dead be the previous park? It makes sense because in The Walking Dead show there are obviously no guests because everyone is an idiot and no one says the word zombie.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:28
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I have a theory that Bernard and Ford are both ghosts that are interacting with each other 30 years apart via morphogenetic field.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:37
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I like the Dolores dream theory, but I'd go one step further and say everything is a dream, and Dolores is actually not a robot, but just a hack writer in the real world.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:38
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I'm not convinced Dolores actually exists.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:41
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The show had to do massive reshoots after production was halted two years ago. The actor who plays Kissy is dead, characters have different haircuts, and some logos are different. Deal with it.
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Oct 25, 2016 18:41
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I want a bonus episode showing the maintenance and host retrieval side of things. Gathering murdered hosts together, throwing them in a big tent for hose down, and then off to maintenance where they sloppily dig bullets out all day while they bitch about being overworked.
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Fried Watermelon posted:Let me tell you about my Trevor Theory Zombie park would be a cool idea. All the guests would be people 'immune' to the zombie virus, while NPCs could get infected and turn. Also gets around the "how do you not accidentally stab a real person?" problem; just do violence to zombies. Zombies are only hosts, so you can feel free to destroy zombies all you like. Although in a zombie park most people would expect to murder tons of zombies every day, which would be even more expensive to keep up with than westworld. Also huge hordes of zombies. mng posted:I want a bonus episode showing the maintenance and host retrieval side of things. Gathering murdered hosts together, throwing them in a big tent for hose down, and then off to maintenance where they sloppily dig bullets out all day while they bitch about being overworked.  Bring out ya dead!
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Doesn't Logan mention that they are paying $40,000 a day to visit the park? Do you think he is paying normal rates for current time, or would that be gold package for 30 years ago.
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Hey, hey guys. It's a great show.  I'm glad we are all enjoying it.
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indigi posted:to be fair we've only seen sexual assault on the one female host - Dolores (and the guest who wasn't the MiB didn't even want to participate in it). I really doubt we'll see much boy-boy rape but it seems like they're not interested in putting the gratuitous/exploitative sexual assault stuff on front street the way GoT did. like, even the few times we've seen it, nobody gets nude, you don't see the act, and they cut away fairly quickly - it's mostly offscreen. To go with that, almost all of the nudity we have seen has been in the context of the debriefing/operating/programming rooms behind the scenes, where the nudity isn't meant to titillate but rather to dehumanize the characters. It also gives you an eye into the mindset of the people behind the scenes. Anthony Hopkins yells down some schlub in an episode because said schlub was covering them up while he was working on them because as Hopkins' character said 'you're ascribing humanity and emotion to things that have neither'. At that point I started noticing how, when Bernard is interviewing Dolores she's fully clothed and when anyone else is there she's nude. It gives a surprisingly subtle nod as to Bernard's mindset when dealing with her as his little personal experiment. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Collateral posted:Doesn't Logan mention that they are paying $40,000 a day to visit the park? Do you think he is paying normal rates for current time, or would that be gold package for 30 years ago. The gold package for 2 for 4 weeks with a villa was like 34 million when I did the booking thing on the Westworld sit but I can't make it give me the estimate again. If so, Logan is staying on the cheap.
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tadashi posted:The gold package for 2 for 4 weeks with a villa was like 34 million when I did the booking thing on the Westworld sit but I can't make it give me the estimate again. If so, Logan is staying on the cheap. Standard package rates were 40k a night. Gold was 200K a night when I priced them out. Didn't bother to find out the mid tier range.
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VendaGoat posted:Standard package rates were 40k a night. Gold was 200K a night when I priced them out. I can't afford that?  Is there an economy package where I can just go into the deep storage facility and grope all the old and ugly hosts for an hour?
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I can't afford that? Have fun!
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I think I figured out the whole thing, am I allowed speculative spoilers? It all seems fairly plausible for me, so I wouldn't want to ruin the show... Are we allowed to post that, right? If so, here's the deal, copied from my own blog: (I'm not updated on fan theories, so it might be as well someone else arrived already at the same conclusion) quote:So how does Westworld end?
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Abalieno posted:I think I figured out the whole thing, am I allowed speculative spoilers? It all seems fairly plausible for me, so I wouldn't want to ruin the show...  ended and it didn't go over well.
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tadashi posted:I would be surprised since a lot of that is how I'm not sure how's that actually related?
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Abalieno posted:I'm not sure how's that actually related? J.J. Abrams? lost ends with Jack and company making the smoke monster/MiB mortal so they could destroy him and save the island/humanity/themselves tadashi fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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tadashi posted:J.J. Abrams? Well, yeah, that aspect would be similar, but in the economy of Lost finale it didn't have so much relevance. It's just a small plot point. And Lost finale was problematic for much different reasons.
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Abalieno posted:I think I figured out the whole thing, am I allowed speculative spoilers? It all seems fairly plausible for me, so I wouldn't want to ruin the show... I'm not sure how this counts as 'figuring out the whole thing' since these are just a few major story beats that we'd already guessed when all we'd seen was the pilot. The devil's in the details. There's something more going on with Arnold than you've figured out, more going on with Bernard, more going on with Corporate, etc. Obviously Dolores is trying to become self aware and obviously at some point the robots are going to have a rebellion. How it goes down is what matters, and also what other hidden story plots there are which we've only seen glimpses of so far. Will Delos try to stop Ford? Is Arnold's consciousness still in the system, or in one of the hosts? Is someone we think is human actually a host? Looooots you didn't even begin to touch on there, and I'll be shocked if there isn't a ton more than just that going on.
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VendaGoat posted:Watching the fourth ep right now. its almost like 2 different characters with 2 different subplots
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I'd much more believe Logan was the MiB rather than William. It's just a matter of the kind of twist people expect these days, but it's a bit crazy to say these two timelines are literally thirty years apart. The security guy interacts with both timelines looking the same. So very easily debunked it's in the 'silly' territory range. 'Good guy going bad and getting obsessed with someone/something' and 'x or x group was/were secretly y the whole time!!!' are such tired tropes in this hypercynical day and age, but hey I guess anything is possible. But they'd be ruining their own show. I'd feel gypped as hell and it would literally require security guy being a bot and them(the showrunners) to be deliberately lying with editing, plus being an unreliable narrator for the human characters is a pretty big 'gently caress you' to the audience. I completely agree you can pick out different scenes and whole narratives and plotlines of the bots that would agree with the theory vis-a-vis The Church and other flashback bits. I would argue the bots' memories being unreliable narrators for the flashbacks KEEPING IN MIND they retain memories after death is much more acceptable and likely. Part of the new narrative, part of the poo poo Ford/Bernard are doing to Delores or in that same vein seem way more plausible to me than such easily uprooted plothole poo poo or bad timeline fuckery with twists that would be groan-worthy. Justin Credible fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm not sure how this counts as 'figuring out the whole thing' since these are just a few major story beats that we'd already guessed when all we'd seen was the pilot. Also, the fact that the hosts originally had a "god's voice" that flowed through them to help them function (you can ask the host on DiscoverWestworld.com about it)and they're clearly rediscovering that. I think, if there's a similarity to any other androids, they're more like the BSG cylons than we have been shown so far in that they may discover their own lost religion. The season finale episode title hints that this divine voice is much more important than they have explicitly told us in the episodes so far and that it might play an important part toward the end of the season. I think it's even possible that they are blocked from remembering what they've seen more-so than they don't remember what they see. That the memories are there but there's nothing to connect it to their conscious mind. tadashi fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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tadashi posted:Also, the fact that the hosts originally had a "god's voice" that flowed through them to help them function (you can ask the host on DiscoverWestworld.com about it)and they're clearly rediscovering that. I think, if there's a similarity to any other androids, they're more like the BSG cylons than we have been shown so far in that they may discover their own lost religion. Though, the key difference is that in Battlestar, the voice of God is 100% real. Here, it's at best a higher-level AI created by Arnold (if it isn't actually Arnold himself.) I hope they don't take this show in a literally metaphysical direction like that. The religious metaphor works as metaphor, but I'm pretty sure my eyes would liquefy from rolling if actual literal God crops up as a character.
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Josh Lyman posted:There is nothing to imply anything supernatural in this show. how do you explain the bullets then
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Here's what the interior of the Mesa facility looks like: http://www.thisisinsider.com/westworld-delos-map-2016-10 You can find it by going to the fake Delos Westworld site and entering Violent Delights into the access box at the top right. Click corporate resources on the left of the page to view WestworldMesaHub.mp4.
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I also think it's short sighted to think you have it "all" figured out but your only dealing with things probably tied up this season or 1+2. If HBO is banking on this being 4-5 seasons then hold on to your butts.
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mng posted:I want a bonus episode showing the maintenance and host retrieval side of things. Gathering murdered hosts together, throwing them in a big tent for hose down, and then off to maintenance where they sloppily dig bullets out all day while they bitch about being overworked. Could be like a messed up version of Scrubs.
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tadashi posted:The season finale episode title hints that this divine voice is much more important than they have explicitly told us in the episodes so far and that it might play an important part toward the end of the season. What I wrote already covers this. You might not agree, but it's included. The "god's voice" was explained as the interface system, the same system Bernard uses to talk with Dolores. That voice is "blocked", normally. They are compelled to follow commands without knowing someone is giving them an order. What happens in episode 10 is that they unblock their own system. So they basically have a way to self-analysis and self-programming. Instead of depending on the "gods" giving them programs and commands, they take charge of themselves through the same god's voice.
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If Logan and William are Ford and Arnold in the past William would be acting like an engineer, not like country bumpkin. If Dolores wondered in acting all weird I doubt they would not have not called up the control room and been like wtf why is this crazy robot wandering around. Instead William is a little bitch around the robot's, kind of like it's the first time he has had this experience.
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Crash74 posted:If Logan and William are Ford and Arnold in the past William would be acting like an engineer, not like country bumpkin. If Dolores wondered in acting all weird I doubt they would not have not called up the control room and been like wtf why is this crazy robot wandering around. Instead William is a little bitch around the robot's, kind of like it's the first time he has had this experience. Them being Ford and Arnold makes no sense, nothing would be a surprise to them. William is very clearly constantly surprised by the train, the hosts, the violence, etc. That makes no sense. Ford and Arnold built the park, they didn't inherit or take over years later or something. They designed everything. People are talking about William or Logan being MiB, not Ford. (and that's bunk too)
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