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Kilroy posted:Wrong on both counts. Already explained why. You said "Google Ron Paul", that's not explaining anything.
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computer parts posted:The ones that renounce their citizenship, yes.
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My Linux Rig posted:I'm starting to see some ridiculous poo poo on my facebook feed as the election day gets closer, but not from the side I expected: I believe it's a civil suit of questionable veracity. The fraud thing is probably real however.
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Kilroy posted:He doesn't have to owe back taxes, he merely has to visit the US for the month and then the US will treat him as a US citizen for taxation purposes that year. Even if he renounced five years ago and even if he is totally in the clear with the IRS, he could still owe money on totally foreign-earned income because he has the audacity to both renounce his US citizenship and then visit his family in the US. so then don't visit for an entire month Kilroy posted:Let's get the fucker, right? it's incredible that you're getting upset that people don't find sympathy for your extremely unlikely scenario when you were completely willing to write off millions of us citizens who live in parts of the us you don't like what is wrong with your brain
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Kilroy posted:nope You have not proven otherwise.
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porfiria posted:I believe it's a civil suit of questionable veracity. The fraud thing is probably real however. Uh the fraud thing isn't "probably" real, it's completely real. It's the Trump U case.
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porfiria posted:I believe it's a civil suit of questionable veracity. The fraud thing is probably real however. The fraud thing is also the trial in which he accused the judge of being biased thanks to his "Mexican heritage", then failed to have that accusation ruled inadmissible 
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Kilroy posted:He doesn't have to owe back taxes, he merely has to visit the US for the month and then the US will treat him as a US citizen for taxation purposes that year. Even if he renounced five years ago and even if he is totally in the clear with the IRS, he could still owe money on totally foreign-earned income because he has the audacity to both renounce his US citizenship and then visit his family in the US. 
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porfiria posted:I believe it's a civil suit of questionable veracity. The fraud thing is probably real however. Yeah, you'd think the fraud thing would be enough, but I guess it isn't as eye catching as child rape.
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computer parts posted:You said "Google Ron Paul", that's not explaining anything. that's not the case
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boner confessor posted:so then don't visit for an entire month I dunno, but I'm still waiting to see if he's capable of acknowledging that the 'poor people' with $2m in retirement assets are actually above the 95th percentile as far as net worth in the US goes. 
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My Linux Rig posted:I'm starting to see some ridiculous poo poo on my facebook feed as the election day gets closer, but not from the side I expected: There's a good write-up of it here but the short of it is no, probably not.
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Quorum posted:Wait, let me get this straight. So you are postulating an average joe who has retired abroad and renounced his citizenship who then returns and spends a sizeable amount of time in the country he has renounced, enjoying its services (such as they are), and your argument is that this is a real situation that normal non-rich people find themselves in? Yeah, he's not using "renounce" in any way that it's actually defined as.
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boner confessor posted:it's incredible that you're getting upset that people don't find sympathy for your extremely unlikely scenario when you were completely willing to write off millions of us citizens who live in parts of the us you don't like Yea, at least those red state fuckers are willing to stay in the country.
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Liquid Communism posted:I dunno, but I'm still waiting to see if he's capable of acknowledging that the 'poor people' with $2m in retirement assets are actually above the 95th percentile as far as net worth in the US goes. look we're just talking about your average retired joe sixpack who renounced his us citizenship to protect considerable foreign assets but can only afford to vacation in the united states for a paltry one month out of every year. you know, salt of the earth factory types
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Just wanna chime in that as someone working overseas, having to double pay my taxes when I'm not consuming/using/benefiting from the resources of the American government really sucks. I'm paying for taxes in an economy I'm not a part of and it adds up with the taxes I pay here. That I'm obligated to pay taxes for simply being born somewhere is ridiculous, and that other countries don't expect the same of their citizens is telling. 
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man all these Canadian and Mexican fat cats who happened to be born on vacation in the US or have an American parent, let's get em
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Queen Gnome posted:Just wanna chime in that as someone working overseas, having to double pay my taxes when I'm not consuming/using/benefiting from the resources of the American government like healthcare, schools, roads, govt benefits, etc really sucks. I'm paying for taxes in an economy I'm not a part of and it adds up with the taxes I pay here. Clinton will probably change this. If she doesn't then it's worth it to keep the "Born here, You Are American" thing. "Born here, You Are American, and You Will Pay Until You Aren't".
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone know if the pollster is any good? It's Jimmy Carville's shop. Going to have a left lean more likely than not.
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Gail Wynand posted:I opened a bank account at Citibank in Singapore awhile back and it took 6 weeks and 10-15 phone calls to handle all the FATCA paperwork. I'm not rich, this was just a basic checking account for direct deposit, everything was either spent on living expenses or wired back to the US. It sucks. But try and open a bank account as a foreign national in the United States or the United Kingdom or Europe. It's much harder. Also, for the future: it helps if the institution you work for has a relationship with a bank that offers accounts for foreign nationals. Which might be Citibank in Singapore or it might be some other bank. Or you can get a schwab investor checking account and withdraw cash in the local currency with no fee and a great conversion rate so you can deposit it in a local bank (That's the hard part).
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone know if the pollster is any good? They are a Democratic pollster and somewhat reliable. Most of their polling is private, so their public polls tend to be outliers that look very good for Dem candidates. They also do a lot of issue polling and push polling. I haven't looked at the questions or ordering for this specific poll to know if that is the case here though.
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My Linux Rig posted:I'm starting to see some ridiculous poo poo on my facebook feed as the election day gets closer, but not from the side I expected: Quite possibly. There's a civil suit upcoming with a high profile attorney(who served as Casey Anthony's defense attorney), and two Jane Does, one of which claims to have worked for Jeffery Epstein to find young girls for his sex parties. They allege Jane Doe #1 had consensual encounters with both Epstein and Trump about three or four times which ended in a rape the last time when she refused their advances. The star witness is the second Jane Doe who worked for Epstein and claims to have recruited the girl when she was thirteen. None of this is verifiable since neither have a public identity, so either or both could not even exist, until a couple weeks ago a real well known and respected attorney picked up the case which had made many think there may be something to this. Regardless of the merits of the case, the image is true in that Donald Trump is going to be on (civil) trial for the allegations.
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My Linux Rig posted:I'm starting to see some ridiculous poo poo on my facebook feed as the election day gets closer, but not from the side I expected: When you see something about how ridiculously corrupt and terrible Trump is, chances are it's actually low balling how bad he's gotten. Trump is beyond parody in his awfulness. If he was any less rich and white, he'd have been in jail decades ago. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:You have not proven otherwise. I mean you literally said that you agree that US citizens should be barred from opening overseas bank accounts. At first blush it seemed like hyperbole but maybe not.
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Kilroy posted:I mean you literally said that you agree that US citizens should be barred from opening overseas bank accounts. At first blush it seemed like hyperbole but maybe not. Yeah, the rich ones should be barred.
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Geostomp posted:When you see something about how ridiculously corrupt and terrible Trump is, chances are it's actually low balling how bad he's gotten. Trump is beyond parody in his awfulness. There is also the revelation he had cocaine parties with 15 year olds.
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Volcott posted:What could have been: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon Weaksauce. Take Project Pluto and make nuclear ramjet hoover cars. Make F-Zero Real
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Themagicalgoat posted:It sucks. But try and open a bank account as a foreign national in the United States or the United Kingdom or Europe. It's much harder.
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Kilroy posted:Since you're the one who's totally fine with ridiculous legislation that provably does not do what it's supposed to do in targeting actually rich people who actually do avoid taxes by renouncing, and for which the consequences for people who fall in the "ordinary people with ordinary retirement plans" range will be pretty bad - no I think you're the one who should outline what is the goddamn point of these taxes and what, since it was brought up, what exactly the US government (and, maybe, Eritrea) is doing for its citizens that justifies it. De facto, they already are except in tax havens. Try and open an account in the United Kingdom outside of very strict parameters and you will fail. Just the same way an illegal immigrant will have a difficult time opening a bank account in the United States unless they have forged documentation. Do you have money in Panama or the Cayman Islands or something? Or do you just want to?
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Retro42 posted:Just had a thought. Do you think Team Trump is even going to write a concession speech? If the last few days are any indication the core people seem 100000% sure it'll work out in the end for them.
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PhazonLink posted:Weaksauce. Take Project Pluto and make nuclear ramjet hoover cars. there hasn't been a new f-zero game since bush's first term
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Gail Wynand posted:No it isn't, I've helped foreign nationals open US bank accounts and it is not nearly as difficult. The most annoying part is getting an SSN, which you may not even need (and in the case above I had the Singapore equivalent already.) In what context? I've already explained if the institution you work for has a relationship with a foreign bank, it's easier. Foreign students, for example, can get a foreign student checking account. But in the past 5 years there has been a big crackdown on giving foreign nationals bank accounts unless they do so through official (i.e. expensive and time consuming) channels. The exceptions are Non-FDIC insured accounts like the schwab checking account I mentioned, but even those are coming under more surveillance than in previous years.
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Renouncing your citizenship is considered the same as liquidating all of your assets and is specifically designed to be harsh to make sure that people aren't using it to avoid taxes. It sucks for edge cases, but they are mostly edge cases. If you renounce you have a one-time (potentially large) tax bill, but are not obligated to pay U.S. taxes anymore. If you have tax-deferred assets, they are tax deferred through U.S. law for U.S. citizens. You aren't paying new taxes on assets that would have been tax-free. You're paying taxes in a possibly tax inefficient way. The requirements were specifically made harsh, because people like to live in the U.S. but do not like to pay taxes. Previously, you had people renounce their citizenship, but then spend 5 months in Manhattan a year and avoid taxes. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:The ones that renounce their citizenship, yes. Canadian weighing in here. As you might imagine there are a lot of Canadians that have semi-dual (it is complicated but basically silly) citizenship with the States from parents. You can spend the first 55 years of your life living in Canada, and maybe only being idly aware that you are technically a citizen of the States. It doesn't really matter since you didn't even need a passport until 9/11. Then in the last few years the US decides that they are going to start cracking down on people evading taxes in foreign jurisdictions. (lmao, how is that going anyways?) Suddenly this theoretical citizenship becomes very real and you cannot get a bank account in Canada, or if you can it is a massive ball ache. Also the IRS calls you can says that you technically are 40 years behind in filing taxes, and will need to file taxes in a country you've potentially never been in until you die. It is quite likely that you owe nothing, but it is basically loving up your life. If you think rich Americans are the ones trying to renounce, you don't know much about it. This is huge business in Canada at the moment.
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My Linux Rig posted:I'm starting to see some ridiculous poo poo on my facebook feed as the election day gets closer, but not from the side I expected: The rape thing is... kind of vince foster level stuff, at this stage. People who hate him and are willing to believe the absolute worst about him, because they hate him, will buy it. Everyone else will wait for any kind of supporting evidence. Like, you know how when the sexual assault allegations came out after the tape, and every one of them was painstakingly researched with corroborating accounts from witnesses? This isn't that.
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Nonsense posted:There is also the revelation he had cocaine parties with 15 year olds. That was just Ivanka having a slumber party though.
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