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Also this: https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791066919826657280
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Oct 26, 2016 01:03
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Trial by twitter
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Oct 26, 2016 01:05
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Burt Sexual posted:Trial by twitter The Honourable Donald J. Trump presiding.
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Oct 26, 2016 01:06
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Defendant Cox, ladies and gents.
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Oct 26, 2016 01:19
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So I guess the jury is also confused by Fry being tried with everyone else?
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Oct 26, 2016 01:27
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hobbesmaster posted:So I guess the jury is also confused by Fry being tried with everyone else? I hope so. Fry needs a mental ward not a stint in some fed pen. if the bundys walk like the loving john africa case, i will be loving pissed.
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Oct 26, 2016 01:35
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What's up with the flowing locks, do sovcits believe that they, like Samson, will gain power by not cutting the hair?
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Oct 26, 2016 01:46
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There aren't any rules about a juror being biased so long as that juror believes (or is willing to say that) he or she can render a fair verdict. he or she believes that. So long as the juror didn't lie about their history when asked then lol on the defense for not asking. This is exactly the opposite of what the defense was trying do in voir dire.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:07
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I will now start a derailing argument amongst nerds to pass the time. It's pronounced vor deer
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Oct 26, 2016 02:08
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you shouldn't google vore deer
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Oct 26, 2016 02:10
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I will now start a derailing argument amongst nerds to pass the time. I would love to hear someone pronounce it "voyer dyre." 
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Oct 26, 2016 02:10
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“I know! We’ll ignore this guy being a former BLM employee so we can bring it up on appeal.  ”—The defense, probably
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Oct 26, 2016 02:12
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Former BLM employee doesn't even indicate which way his bias goes. I've known a former civil servant who was scathing about how wasteful and inefficient the government is.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:18
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https://twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/791066903745703936 LMFAO
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Oct 26, 2016 02:44
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I want the judge to gavel his brains out.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:50
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I cannot get over how loving stupid these people are.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:57
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I hope there's a subset of militia crazies out there who are convinced the BLM thing isn't good news because it's Black Lives Matter.
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Oct 26, 2016 03:39
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Facebook Aunt posted:Former BLM employee doesn't even indicate which way his bias goes. I've known a former civil servant who was scathing about how wasteful and inefficient the government is. This, though they should have voired the loving poo poo out of him. Either that or he's an rear end in a top hat and they hoped he'd turn the whole jury against him (which they kinda may based on the quick snitching). edit: Even the grey lady is reading wayyyyy too much into jury questions http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/u...WT.nav=top-news I mean, it is possible that they have reached some sort of split verdict, but I kinda doubt it. Sounds more like they did a poll for each charge (juries do that) and found some disagreement and wondered what happened. To say they have a "partial verdict" is pretty bullshit. I've had juries confide that they were in the majority for guilty/not guilty in the first polling and go the opposite way eventually. It means almost nothing. edit2: A law degree should be required to report on trials. One of the reason I haven't followed this case as closely as I want to is that journalists are dumber than jurors when it comes to the law and how a trial works, and it is annoying as hell to follow what they think matter (as they leave out the important facts) and interpret things that don't exist or matter. nm has issued a correction as of 07:12 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 04:05
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nm posted:This, though they should have voired the loving poo poo out of him. You want to pay a journalist with specialist skills? gently caress that, it's a wonder we still even have journalists instead of just trawling twitter.
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Oct 26, 2016 09:32
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"She was too mean to let me give my totally brilliant defense that she was win invalid authority and I was free to go as a super patriot hero!"
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Oct 26, 2016 09:41
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Elephant Ambush posted:I cannot get over how loving stupid these people are. The appeals process is going to be precious. Plus they'll be trying to appeal this trial while on trial in NV for the bunkerville showdown. Is the jury trying to figure out a point of law with regard to conspiracy charges? Like the OPB podcast said a few times that if one person is guilty of conspiracy then everyone accused is guilty, but it seems like the jury agrees there was a conspiracy but there's degrees of involvement. Like Ryan & Ammon are definitely the ringleaders, and Frye is just some poor mentally ill sap in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope Medeved and Cox go down, but they may not have been part of the conspiracy officially.
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Oct 26, 2016 10:21
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red19fire posted:The appeals process is going to be precious. I'm happy if Frye walks (especially into a lot of therapy), but I want to drink deep of the tears of impotent rage when Ryan and Ammon are sent down, Cox as well for a deserved slap for her sovcit bullshit. Needless to say the Bundy facebook page is now full of how Juror 11 must be a federal plant and how the GOOD LORD empowered Juror 4 to see into his heart and expose the wickedness. Also some of them seem to be convinced that if a single charge isn't proven then it's a mistrial.
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Oct 26, 2016 11:36
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TotalLossBrain posted:Defendant Cox, ladies and gents. Looks like that Bundy face is contagious.
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Oct 26, 2016 11:36
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cumshitter posted:I hope there's a subset of militia crazies out there who are convinced the BLM thing isn't good news because it's Black Lives Matter. There is. One of them I used to consider a friend 
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Oct 26, 2016 12:00
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nm posted:This, though they should have voired the loving poo poo out of him. Reading the article and the letters, it seems that the jury was mostly just conflicted on whether they had to apply 100% of the charges to 100% of the defendants or if they could agree that certain people like David Fry weren't as guilty of the exact same things as Ryan and Ammon Bundy. The judge's response ("You apply each charge to each defendant separately") suggests that the militants who were the worst are going to bear the brunt of it, while someone like David Fry who was just mentally ill and caught up in the insanity isn't going to be given 50 years in maximum security.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:00
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Starshark posted:You want to pay a journalist with specialist skills? gently caress that, it's a wonder we still even have journalists instead of just trawling twitter. With all the unemployed lawyers out there, they could probably trick them into working for free.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:08
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Per the NY Times story, Juror 11's employment history came out during voir dire so lol
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Oct 26, 2016 14:09
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i don't really remember the specifics but who is david fry and why was he just caught up in the middle of it being mentally ill?
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Oct 26, 2016 14:11
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Incidentally, what is the harshest possible sentence that these idiots could be facing, assuming guilty on all charges? (And, well, is it different by defendant?)
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Oct 26, 2016 14:12
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Per the NY Times story, Juror 11's employment history came out during voir dire so lol lol well RIP that juror if they get convicted I guess
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Oct 26, 2016 14:15
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Jose posted:i don't really remember the specifics but who is david fry and why was he just caught up in the middle of it being mentally ill? He's the twitchy one we nicknamed Kylo Meth who, if I remember right, it turns out wasn't really dedicated to the cause like the other extremists because he was genuinely crazy and only got kept around because Finicum liked and spoke up for him.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:16
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Jose posted:i don't really remember the specifics but who is david fry and why was he just caught up in the middle of it being mentally ill? He was one of the final four still on the sanctuary having been abandoned by the others for being annoying to them due to his illness. He was the last to be talked out by the FBI while various wingnuts egged him on and threatened suicide multiple times. He agreed to leave if everyone yelled "Hallelujah!!" They did and he left.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:16
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Jose posted:i don't really remember the specifics but who is david fry and why was he just caught up in the middle of it being mentally ill? david fry is a messianic jew that is also an unmedicated schizophrenic. for a closer to home example look to former syrian prison camp survivor and infamous forums crazy person kevin patrick "caro" dawes. This particular form of mental illness breeds suspicion and paranoia. Thanks to the joys of the internet, Fry got mixed up online with tarpman finicum and became online buddies. He was fed a constant stream of sovcit beliefs from his new friends and decided to join them. He was considered an outsider at the refuge and ignored largely by most people outside LaVoy. He was actually supposed to be in the truck with Finicum but got left behind. Ostensibly he came from a decent home and has a decent family, but he's just not well unfortunately. He was the last holdouts and genuinely believed bad men were going to kill him.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:17
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http://www.outsideonline.com/2122591/david-fry-malheur-holdout Outside Magazine did a pretty good profile on David Fry.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:17
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This is something I really should know by now, but what about the rest of the Vanilla ISIS members? Fry is facing serious charges because he hung on till the end, but is anything happening to the tough guys that scattered like cockroaches?
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Oct 26, 2016 14:24
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Platystemon posted:This is something I really should know by now, but what about the rest of the Vanilla ISIS members? There were 26 defendants initially. A number of them have already pleaded guilty to charges brought. Here's a list of the initial round of charges: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/where_are_they_from_an_at-a-gl.html PST has issued a correction as of 14:57 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 14:52
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Platystemon posted:This is something I really should know by now, but what about the rest of the Vanilla ISIS members? There were originally dozens of people and possibly up to 100 or more out at the refuge including underage children. Most people bailed out without being there too long which is their only saving grace. If the government wanted to pursue every single person that went out, they could. Instead they're focusing more on the people who actually planned and executed the occupation rather than just a bunch of people that showed up for a few days and went home.
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Oct 26, 2016 15:57
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Not unexpected: https://twitter.com/conradjwilson/status/791289806424727552 I am however surprised that Shawna Cox doesn't have some insane thing to file already.
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What a surprise Ryan Bundy isn't accustomed to women holding authority over him, lol
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