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Even when they were winning, Forgiven's damage % and kill participation % at worlds was lackluster for the gold % he was given. He may not have been crushed by SSG's botlane, but he was completely invisible that series like he was for most of the tournament.
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This inven article with SKT is great: https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/188  Oh so that's how you play like Faker.  Faker is mad.
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wew back from a month in China. Couldn't access SA so spent my time reading Chinese League boards. It was basically like laboring in a salt mine, there were some honestly incredible levels of depression  I found it pretty funny that LPL this year was basically NA in Season 4 worlds. I guess the non-Korean regions are officially all the same poo poo now, clowns upon clowns.
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Redmark posted:wew back from a month in China. Couldn't access SA so spent my time reading Chinese League boards. It was basically like laboring in a salt mine, there were some honestly incredible levels of depression yep it's clowns all the way down
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the reddit post that comes from also mentions THE GREAT KOREAN EXODUS which is definitely happening, where China releases every Korean player, because of a secret ritual
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Chinese teams are finally learning you can't beat Koreans with a Korean on your team because they always sandbag for nationalist pride.
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Libertine posted:Chinese teams are finally learning you can't beat Koreans with a Korean on your team because they always sandbag for nationalist pride. drat it's true
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Ah yes return to Korea for less money and a lower chance of domestic success.
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Savage Cracker posted:Ah yes return to Korea for less money and a lower chance of domestic success.
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I would consider success to be whatever Easyhoon did.
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Libertine posted:I would consider success to be whatever Easyhoon did.
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RealFoxy posted:I think he actually became a model He won a world championship while routinely stealing the spotlight from the world's best player, accumulated piles of money sandbagging for a Chinese team, and then became a male model. If that's not what success in esports looks like I don't know how else you would define it.
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the face of success in esports is theoddone
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Libertine posted:He won a world championship while routinely stealing the spotlight from the world's best player, accumulated piles of money sandbagging for a Chinese team, and then became a male model. If that's not what success in esports looks like I don't know how else you would define it. Yeah this is pretty much the ultimate esports success story.
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Libertine posted:He won a world championship while routinely stealing the spotlight from the world's best player, accumulated piles of money sandbagging for a Chinese team, and then became a male model. If that's not what success in esports looks like I don't know how else you would define it. Yeah that's basically the dream, isn't it? I don't even think that really happens in physical sports, either. Moatman fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 22:22
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RealFoxy posted:Would you consider success winning a championship in the best region or failing to make it out of quarterfinals The chances of Winning LCK if they return is kinda low I'd say. Most of the Koreans currently making a big buck in China would just become the 17th super star on Longzhu or the King Kong Monster if they returned to Korea.
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RealFoxy posted:Pre-Season rumors already swirling, Mata/Looper are leaving EDG (With Mata being a coach and Looper becoming a coach) *RNG
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went to semis at msg. friday night was incredible. bengi is funny as hell. i do not understand his psychology. he must not give the least poo poo when the stakes aren't high. he looked so bored during intros, and again after game 2 when they showed kkoma giving notes to the team in the green room. or, alternatively (the theory i support), he is or is possessed by an ancient evil that can only be roused after long periods of rest and rituals so taxing kkoma can only afford to perform them during playoffs.
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Zerilan posted:Yeah this is pretty much the ultimate esports success story. e: he also got the best championship skin bar none Sexpansion fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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Oct 27, 2016 02:21
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Wait Easyhoon became a model?
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if lots of kr players leave china just get S4 OMG back together please. that team was cool
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Jesus the remix they tried to do of Ignite sounds really bad
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Wait Easyhoon became a model? 
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Is there any hope for western teams after this worlds or is Korea just going to stomp the gently caress out of everyone forever?
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Western teams are improving, slowly. I don't think it gets better until next year even ranked starts with all of the changes though. The rewards and incentive poo poo riot is doing for high end solo queue is actually making it worth it for people to tryhard and the big issue of top end of solo queue loving blows is kinda going away. We won't see major improvements until there are big team infrastructural changes but maybe next year more than one EU/NA team makes it out of groups
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Is there any hope for western teams after this worlds or is Korea just going to stomp the gently caress out of everyone forever? I think H2K were ready to become the best Western team at World's since Season 3 started, but their pick/ban was atrocious (Giving CuVee two really great champions while he's been over-performing, giving Ryu bad matchups, and on top of Ryu sinking and Forgiven being invisible). There's not a huge gap between the skill in players anymore, Jankos and Bjergsen still looked like two of the best players at the tournament but the big difference is Macro/Map play and picks/bans. The other large thing that's keeping the gap between Korea and the rest of the world is simply how few international tournaments their are. As TSM and Flash Wolves showed, you can stomp your region but if you're not being tested against better teams your ceiling is still much lower than practicing in Korea, where the teams that didn't even make it to World's are still better than any other region's best team.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Is there any hope for western teams after this worlds or is Korea just going to stomp the gently caress out of everyone forever? People ask this every year, and I don't think so no. The gap that will never be closed is unflinching discipline to the game, which is a super lovely way to lead your life, but is completely standard for all the Korean teams who are practicing, drilling, scrimming, basically their entire waking lives. Meanwhile one of the highest rated Western teams implodes in the playoffs because half of their team was busy playing Overwatch.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Is there any hope for western teams after this worlds or is Korea just going to stomp the gently caress out of everyone forever?
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RealFoxy posted:From what I heard from people in the scenes, TSM put in as much practice time as Korean teams but were really stupid about how they went about it. IE: Most top Korean teams will leave high priority champions open to see exactly what they can do and test out counters, or they'll use a scrim to practice one specific goal and just screw around the rest of the time so they aren't showing too much to other teams but TSM would go 100% in scrims the same way they would on stage so they were advertising all their priority picks and playstyle which gave a lot of teams very easy accessible information on how to play against them. FWIW I think CLG and Cloud9 are on the right track right now, with C9 hiring a Korean to coach for them that was always hailed as being really intelligent, they just need to redo their roster at the moment. CLG has some really brilliant Pick/Ban and comps but I think they might be working with the worst midlaner at World's since he's essentially an Aurelion Sol one-trick. Does Riot still have that ban on western teams traveling to Korea to practice
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AnonSpore posted:Does Riot still have that ban on western teams traveling to Korea to practice No, that's literally where every team went to boot camp Goobuster this gap isn't present in DotA is it? I haven't been following pro DotA that well lately. Like China was dominant for a time but aren't the best teams a mix of like Na EU and Asian teams?
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AnonSpore posted:Does Riot still have that ban on western teams traveling to Korea to practice Now I think there's just legitimate import rules stopping a team from doing that so teams only get to go over in the off-seasons.
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Luna Was Here posted:No, that's literally where every team went to boot camp Its not at all present, the regions are pretty equal save for EU and CIS being weak this year. China was mostly dominant when there wasn't that much information on the game and people were generally very bad at the game. After TI2 in 2012, there was a lot more international competition and I feel this is one of the reasons why the west was able to catch up to China. Nowadays the strong regions is a mix between NA, SEA and China. China won this year's TI, but this wasn't really indicative of China's skill since it was a young team with crazy ideas on how to play whereas other traditional Chinese teams didn't really stray too off from the meta. The team that won, Wings, played a lot more like a western team. Is Worlds the only time LoL teams from all regions play each other? I feel like this and having single elimination brackets favors the Korean teams way too much.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Is Worlds the only time LoL teams from all regions play each other? I feel like this and having single elimination brackets favors the Korean teams way too much. There's a "half-time" tournament called the Mid Season Invitational which is smaller in scope and is like a mini-worlds, and there is usually an offseason international like IEM or something but a lot of times teams will be in the middle of retooling rosters or trying out rookie players and the competition level of some of them can be questionable.
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Libertine posted:There's a "half-time" tournament called the Mid Season Invitational which is smaller in scope and is like a mini-worlds, and there is usually an offseason international like IEM or something but a lot of times teams will be in the middle of retooling rosters or trying out rookie players and the competition level of some of them can be questionable.
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If CLG beat actual good Korean teams like SKT and Rox Tigers, they could probably beat a bad team like Jin Air
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RealFoxy posted:CLG has some really brilliant Pick/Ban and comps but I think they might be working with the worst midlaner at World's since he's essentially an Aurelion Sol one-trick. Yeah, it's unfortunate. They genuinely have one of the best macro games in the West from the games I saw them play at Worlds, but they're hamstrung by having fairly middle-of-the-road talent. Huhi's the only one who's aggressively bad (when he's not playing AS), but no one really stands out as a shining star in comparison to other players at their skill level, either. It does feel like the pieces are finally starting to fit together for the West, but there's still a frankly incredible gulf that they need to cross to get there. Part of that is having an environment conducive to practice, as you mentioned, which is tough considering that Western teams only really have scrim opportunities against other Western teams, and given TSM's outstanding LCS run, I doubt the competition to really sharpen your teeth is there yet. It feels like the only real opportunity for an NA team at this point would be to move to Korea for a season and compete their asses off, but that's unlikely to happen. Vermain fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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