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A certain poster was ranting about how all prequels are bad because they alter the originals. The same poster is excited about seeing Rogue One, a noted prequel.
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Oct 26, 2016 22:38
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UmOk posted:A certain poster was ranting about how all prequels are bad because they alter the originals. The same poster is excited about seeing Rogue One, a noted prequel. you wouldn't know quality if it shat on your face
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Oct 26, 2016 22:58
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Phi230 posted:you wouldn't know quality if it shat on your face So since you do know quality, you'll be able to admit if Rogue One commits the worst of all cinema sins, which is to retroactively change the originals, right? I'm anxious to hear your review.
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Oct 26, 2016 22:59
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Basebf555 posted:So since you do know quality, you'll be able to admit if Rogue One commits the worst of all cinema sins, which is to retroactively change the originals, right? yeah, but it'll be good change made by competent filmmakers and has nothing to do with george lucas nor the prequel trilogy therefore it will be good
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Oct 26, 2016 23:05
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rear end Catchcum posted:Don't make fun of rud or he'll bring his nan into the mix.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:06
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Phi230 posted:yeah, but it'll be good change made by competent filmmakers and has nothing to do with george lucas nor the prequel trilogy Man, and here I thought Gareth Edwards was good, rather than merely competent.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:08
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Basebf555 posted:So since you do know quality, you'll be able to admit if Rogue One commits the worst of all cinema sins, which is to retroactively change the originals, right? No, you see Rogue One will be good because it's a good movie while the Phantom Menace et al are bad because they're bad movies.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:08
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Schwarzwald posted:No, you see Rogue One will be good because it's a good movie while the Phantom Menace et al are bad because they're bad movies. now you get it
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Oct 26, 2016 23:21
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Brainiac Five posted:Man, and here I thought Gareth Edwards was good, rather than merely competent. maybe being good requires one to be competent????
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Oct 26, 2016 23:22
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Rogue One has a decent shot at being the first good Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:22
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Hell, you know, this Battle of Algiers picture is okay.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:23
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Brainiac Five posted:Hell, you know, this Battle of Algiers picture is okay. what do you even know about gillo pontecorvo you tasteless mook (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 26, 2016 23:24
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Phi230 posted:now you get it Just out of curiosity, since I've been reading a lot your posts in this thread recently, Could you give me a list of your top five non-Star Wars sci fi films of all-time? They don't have to be ranked or anything, just a list of about 5 films that you consider the best of the best. I'm interested in what your general taste is within the genre. I won't poo poo on your list or anything, this really is just a friendly request out of genuine curiosity. I did the same thing in the horror thread not too long ago and I think it helped me understand the poster a lot better.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:26
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Basebf555 posted:Just out of curiosity, since I've been reading a lot your posts in this thread recently, Lemme give this some thought because nobodys asked me this before
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Oct 26, 2016 23:28
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Phi230 posted:what do you even know about gillo pontecorvo you tasteless mook You'll just have to live with the fact that a drat dirty prequeler likes a movie you think is great. You know what else is a decent movie? Tokyo monogatari.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:27
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porfiria posted:Rogue One has a decent shot at being the first good Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back. Nah, that was Return of the Jedi.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:28
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I think every single Star Wars movie has been good, with the exception of ESB, which is legitimately great. None of the others have been great or bad, they're all somewhere in the middle.
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Oct 26, 2016 23:31
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Ok so I love a fuckin ton of sci fi and its hard to pick top 5 but here's my best shot: 2001 Alien Bladerunner (specifically the final cut) Ghost in The Shell The Fifth Element I'm super conflicted about this list though so I just wanna mention: Upstream Color The Thing Robotcop Starship Troopers Gattaca Close Encounters Star Trek 4 and 6 Aliens Terminator 1 and 2 Moon Snowpiercer The Color I probably missed a bunch but that encapsulates my favorite sci fi
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Oct 26, 2016 23:46
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I would agree with that tho I think parts of Jedi fuckin rock. Also is prequeler ok or racist?
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Oct 26, 2016 23:47
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Your mom didn't mind being called that last night, but it's only because she came before me. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 27, 2016 00:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4_Z84-rRE
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Oct 27, 2016 00:13
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Rud you're fuckin wild dude I love it.
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Oct 27, 2016 00:21
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Phi230 posted:yeah, but it'll be good change made by competent filmmakers and has nothing to do with george lucas nor the prequel trilogy So why did you even bring up all that poo poo about recontextualizing previously told stories if it doesn't matter?
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Oct 27, 2016 00:24
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Bongo Bill posted:If you like or don't like a movie, your feelings are not wrong. If you try to correlate your opinion with a metric of quality, however, your argument can definitely be wrong. This is where a lot of prequel haters stumble I think. I enjoy watching the prequels, but much less than the OT for sure, and some parts I really dislike. But they are great to talk about, with a lot of depth that I was only vaguely aware of before reading the threads here in CineD. And while I have gotten food for thought, that doesn't make the visceral experience of watching them all that different to me. There's a lot of things in the prequels that I would've rather been done differently. Well, ok, so what. I'm here to read and have discussion about cinema, not people's feelings about cinema or counterfactuals. "I don't like them" isn't really conducive to discussion, and can in fact be independent of reading and analysis of the films. Also, Tezzor, The Fifth Element? You're kidding me with this one, because that has everything you hate about the prequels except being literally Star Wars or a prequel.
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Oct 27, 2016 03:52
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Yeah I will for sure admit reading the thread has made me view the films differently but I still wish we got different movies and they didn't exist.
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Oct 27, 2016 05:22
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rear end Catchcum posted:Yeah I will for sure admit reading the thread has made me view the films differently but I still wish we got different movies and they didn't exist. Then your actual beef is with reality itself. And with reality as your enemy, you are 'freed' to write anything. Randomness. Memes. Actual freedom comes from writing truthfully and accurately. Without these, you allow yourself to be manipulated.
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Oct 27, 2016 05:45
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I like ESB because Luke trains with a puppet for like a week and then goes to defeat Darth Vader by himself. Why didn't Gender Master Yoda go with him? He just showed how powerful he is when he lifted a starship with his mind!
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Oct 27, 2016 12:40
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Oct 27, 2016 12:40
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UmOk posted:I like ESB because Luke trains with a puppet for like a week and then goes to defeat Darth Vader by himself. Why didn't Gender Master Yoda go with him? He just showed how powerful he is when he lifted a starship with his mind! Actually it was more like 6 months or so, but this isn't really spelled out anywhere in the film itself.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:16
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UmOk posted:I like ESB because Luke trains with a puppet for like a week and then goes to defeat Darth Vader by himself. Why didn't Gender Master Yoda go with him? He just showed how powerful he is when he lifted a starship with his mind! He's too old, and it's not his fight anymore. It's not even his role to be a fighter. It's the same reason Ben lets Darth kill him. It was partially as a distraction, but it was equally as much a message to Luke that he has to learn to stand on his own and fight (or choose not to fight) his own battles.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:21
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UmOk posted:Gender Master Yoda I wish this was an actual rank in the Jedi Order.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:27
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UmOk posted:I like ESB because Luke trains with a puppet for like a week and then goes to defeat Darth Vader by himself. Why didn't Gender Master Yoda go with him? He just showed how powerful he is when he lifted a starship with his mind! This made me choke on my coffee. Bravo.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:32
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Cnut the Great posted:He's too old, and it's not his fight anymore. It's not even his role to be a fighter. Hmm, crush him, I could, with a wave of my hand. But my fight, this is not. No longer my role is it.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:41
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UmOk posted:Hmm, crush him, I could, with a wave of my hand. But my fight, this is not. No longer my role is it. That's prequel Yoda speaking, he wasn't talking complete gibberish in the OT.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:50
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UmOk posted:Hmm, crush him, I could, with a wave of my hand. But my fight, this is not. No longer my role is it. I don't think he could actually do that, for one. It's always been implicitly established in the films that using Force techniques on a living opponent, especially another Force user, isn't as easy as it looks. Otherwise Luke could have just Force choked the Emperor to death. Or Vader could have just instantly crushed Ben's head during their fight in A New Hope. Lucas suggests there's a battle of wills going on behind the scenes of every swordfight, even though you only really see the physical aspect of it: The Making of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back posted:“Earlier, Luke talks to Ben; when he brings him up as a ghost, we portend what is going to happen. Ben says, ‘Vader has more power than you can imagine. When he and I met, we fought on such a level that there didn’t appear to be much of a battle; it appeared to be a swordfight, but it was a battle of our wills that was really going on in the beyond.’ I’d like to make it into a battle (which we did in the Alan Dean Foster book, which is what I wanted to do in the first one with Ben and Vader) with lightning or electrical bolts, and throwing things around the room; an Exorcist kind of battle where you can bring all kinds of supernatural powers to bear. We’ll have Ben say, ‘Vader couldn’t use his supernatural powers against me, because I was too strong; he had to rely on brute force, which wasn’t of any value, because I was too advanced for that, so everything he did to me was useless.’ The reason Vader is able to bring his Force powers to bear and throw things at Luke during their battle in ESB is because Luke's will isn't as powerful as his, so he can't block Vader from doing those things--at least not as well as someone equal to Vader in power would be able to.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:57
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Thematic issues aside, Yoda is never shown to be powerful enough of a fighter that we should think he can just waltz into the Death Star and take out the Emperor and Vader. He lost a one on one fight to the Emperor already, so why should we assume he can now take both him and Vader? He's also incredibly frail physically by the time Luke meets him, and its only like a year after the events of ESB that he dies of extreme old age.
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Oct 27, 2016 14:21
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:This is where a lot of prequel haters stumble I think. I enjoy watching the prequels, but much less than the OT for sure, and some parts I really dislike. But they are great to talk about, with a lot of depth that I was only vaguely aware of before reading the threads here in CineD. And while I have gotten food for thought, that doesn't make the visceral experience of watching them all that different to me. There's a lot of things in the prequels that I would've rather been done differently. There actually hasn't been an original thought on the prequels in the Star Wars threads in quite sometime. It's all been just repeating things already talked about and going full circle once a week.
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Oct 27, 2016 14:46
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I said come in! posted:There actually hasn't been an original thought on the prequels in the Star Wars threads in quite sometime. It's all been just repeating things already talked about and going full circle once a week. I would argue that the post I made a couple pages back had at least several original thoughts in it.
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Oct 27, 2016 14:52
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Cnut the Great posted:I would argue that the post I made a couple pages back had at least several original thoughts in it. Joseph Campbell probably had them first. 
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