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nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
The way they're demonstrating it they'll probably do away with the keyboard in the next iteration in favor of a full sized touchbar

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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747
This is a terrible idea for the same reason that a touch screen on a laptop is a bad idea.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Viper_3000 posted:

Yeah, I'm really not happy about this touchbar thing. It seems like it's for people who have never heard of a keyboard shortcut.

"You first saw keyboard shortcuts in 1986..." :v:

mik
Oct 16, 2003
oh
We got rid of Function keys! If you want them back, press and hold the Function key!

eames
May 9, 2009

Dick Trauma posted:

Why would I want to use a tiny strip at the top of they keyboard for all these actions? Why wouldn't I want to use the keyboard (where my hands already are) or the trackpad or a drat mouse? It makes no sense.

It's a trainwreck. My guess is that that this is the first part of some sort of long play to turn the whole bottom shell into some sort of ipad/forcetouch-keyboard hybrid.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

nerdz posted:

The way they're demonstrating it they'll probably do away with the keyboard in the next iteration in favor of a full sized touchbar

Put your iPad on your MacBook keyboard

PaganGoatPants
Jan 18, 2012

TODAY WAS THE SPECIAL SALE DAY!
Grimey Drawer
How will the Touch Bar handle my 100 tabs?

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




looking forward to VLC touchbar support in 2022

mik
Oct 16, 2003
oh
Self-healing copper pyramids is correct.

Marklar
Jul 24, 2003

Ball is Love
Ball is Life

Viper_3000 posted:

How am I supposed to quickly mute porn now?

What happens when it becomes unresponsive like every other piece of apple software? Can I force quit the touchbar?

Just say "Siri, please close pornhub."

"Searching for Police Clothes Pornhub."

Vintimus Prime
Apr 24, 2008

DERRRRRPPP what are picture threads for????

Honestly, even Craig doesn't seem that enthusiastic and he's been a pretty good hype man lately.

Viper_3000
Apr 26, 2005

I could give a shit about all that.

mik posted:

Self-healing copper pyramids is correct.

Sounds just like the touchbar.

Bill Barber
Aug 26, 2015

Hot Rope Guy

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
Ok, now talk about the loving piece of poo poo that's magsafe

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

It's this, and I finally understand my parents. I am just too old to get or use this but I'm sure my niece will love it.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




the thing that gets me is that this is all stuff for apple's inbuilt apps. it's not reall 'pro' software. Sure aperture / logic / final cut are really tightly integrated, but stuff like Pro Tools, Photoshop or Premier will probably never support this outside of like, an undo button

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Now you will have to downsample all your porn to 1680 x 180.

Vintimus Prime
Apr 24, 2008

DERRRRRPPP what are picture threads for????

This honestly just doesn't seem any faster or anything

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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well why not posted:

the thing that gets me is that this is all stuff for apple's inbuilt apps. it's not reall 'pro' software. Sure aperture / logic / final cut are really tightly integrated, but stuff like Pro Tools, Photoshop or Premier will probably never support this outside of like, an undo button

Finally, A mash the MF like button.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




MacOS finally getting comprehensible screenshot buttons

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten
This really needs that patented tactile thing where you can feel the edge of the buttons. C'mon Apple.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Vintimus Prime posted:

This honestly just doesn't seem any faster or anything

Like Bill Barber said, put yourself in the shoes of a kid who until high school/college did all their computing on touch screen devices.

wdarkk posted:

This really needs that patented tactile thing where you can feel the edge of the buttons. C'mon Apple.

Yeah! I guess they wanted too much money so everyone is just running out the clock. Look for it in the MacBook Pro 16,11 (Late 2027 Model)

Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Oct 27, 2016

enojy
Sep 11, 2001

bass rattle
stars out
the sky

nerdz posted:

Ok, now talk about the loving piece of poo poo that's magsafe

It's gone. Looked like standard USB ports are also gone, from the earlier render pan.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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I'm never going to share my 3 thousand dollar facebook machine.

ChadSexington
Aug 12, 2004
I am so not competitive. In fact, I am the least non-competitive. So I win.
I actually think this touch bar would be better suited on the regular MacBook, which is ostensibly marketed to more "casual" users who would be less likely to miss the function keys/shortcuts. Seems like the sperglords power users who will get the MBP will hate it.

Vintimus Prime
Apr 24, 2008

DERRRRRPPP what are picture threads for????

That fast user switch for touch ID was the one useful bit I saw

Ass Catchcum
Dec 21, 2008
I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP FOREVER.
So glad i didn't wait for this.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




TERMINAL SUPPORT CONFIRMED

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 43 minutes!
Someone sum this up for people who didn't watch the stream.

Viper_3000
Apr 26, 2005

I could give a shit about all that.

I keep forgetting that even though I technically am a millennial by the standards most people use, even though I grew up with cassettes and no cell phones.

This is exactly who this machine is for. Kids who are 10 years younger than me who grew up with an iPhone in their hands. It's loving dumb.

Did he just say devs are going to love touchbar? loving LOL.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer

enojy posted:

It's gone. Looked like standard USB ports are also gone, from the earlier render pan.

That's my point. Are they going to put an iphone charger there or another piece of poo poo cable that frays and breaks and you have to buy another one

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Jesus how much brighter do laptop screens need to get?

Vintimus Prime
Apr 24, 2008

DERRRRRPPP what are picture threads for????

Actual tech info

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Vintimus Prime posted:

That fast user switch for touch ID was the one useful bit I saw

How often do you share your MacBook though.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

FYI, Cheese NIPS are not the same as Cheez ITS

Vintimus Prime posted:

That fast user switch for touch ID was the one useful bit I saw

Having a software screenshot button also sounds reasonable. We might like keyboard shortcuts, but I think it's fair to say that most people have no idea why it's cmd-shift-3 on a Mac. Print Screen makes some sense on Windows but it's also a legacy key that's not entirely self evident either.

Any keyboard shortcut that's cmd-option-[anything] is probably a good candidate to be in this bar.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

rear end Catchcum posted:

So glad i didn't wait for this.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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well why not posted:

TERMINAL SUPPORT CONFIRMED

2015 Windows: Cut\paste added to CMD

2016 Mac: Full touchbar support for commands

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
60% of 0 is still 0, apple

eames
May 9, 2009

Still Skylake all around... I regret waiting for this.

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well why not
Feb 10, 2009




4 x Thunderbolt ports in usb-c. they all charge. That's pretty cool.

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