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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/trolls-for-trump

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e_angst
Sep 20, 2001

by exmarx

ate all the Oreos posted:

I have a best friend there who would basically be dead if she lived in the US and she was married to someone else, also a best friend, who is literally now dead because of conservative cutbacks at the NHS please do not loving school me on this I know it at a very goddamn personal level.

Now now now, your friend probably wouldn't basically be dead if she lived in the US. We have great health care. It's the crushing, overwhelming debt burden you deal with after getting that great health care that's the problem.

danger-carpet
Aug 3, 2016

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I knew he must have written an anti-psychiatry thing, and I managed to find it http://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2012/10/drat-it-you-should-be-depressed.html

Man could fill out a crank bingo card all by himself
https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/depressive-realism-psychosis-solipsism-and-the-real/?iframe=true&theme_preview=true
TL;DR

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
To the Anonymous above: you are the 'bereaved parent' author of the letter in question, aren't you?
You just could not keep away from the blog you trolled in order to see the effect of your very obviously phony, lame handiwork.
I know your type very well from experience: the projection of your own personality type (self-obsessed) onto another is another very well-known -classic- trait of narcissists in the field of psychology.

DARVO - acronym for Deny Attack Reverse Victim Obstruct the telling of truth is also very well-known: the typical behaviour of a Narcissist-Psychopath-Sadist-Pathological Liar when caught out in lies. And I caught you, didn't I? You are freaking out- lashing out in anger- just as I've seen in the past from others such as you.

Note well my "self-obsessed idiot" comment. "Self-obsessed idiot" that I am I offered specific information on the Dark Triad-Driad of personalities which anyone who wishes to research for themselves can now do.

"Self-obsessed idiot" that I am, I wrote my initial comment in this post to inform anyone who wishes to learn how to protect themselves from liars/narcissists/psychopaths and other controlling personality types.

This 'self-obsessed idiot" offered information.

What have you offered except for a shoot the messenger ad hominem attack at a person you term a "self-obsessed idiot"...MENSA IQ "idiot" since childhood, MENSA IQ "pattern recognizing" intelligence which I am extremely grateful for because that childhood ability to parse suspect personalities kept me alive.

Why am I an anti-natalist who refuses Pollyanna glasses to view the world? Because this "self-obsessed idiot" noticed from childhood that the world was not filled with Tra-La-La tip-toe-through-the-tulips beauty, goodness and light.

Despite that knowledge, this "self-obsessed idiot" did not become bitter with the world or hateful. However, I very much despise those who attempt to use others as fools or credulous.
I call out lies and liars when I see them.

I called out you, Mr.Phoney Bereaved Parent.

Please continue with the ad hominems. This "self-obsessed idiot" is used to them. I have been called very much worse by a serial killer I used to know.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Rush Limbo posted:

Fascism isn't divorced from capitalism, it's capitalism at its most desperate, violent form.

Really wanna know where the gently caress this idea comes from. Leftists fuckin love to spout it, because dontcha know neoliberalism can be blamed for everything.

MC Nietzche
Oct 26, 2004

by exmarx

Curvature of Earth posted:

Really wanna know where the gently caress this idea comes from. Leftists fuckin love to spout it, because dontcha know neoliberalism can be blamed for everything.

It comes from analysis of what fascist states actually did as opposed to what they would say they'd do. That is they engage in aggressive expansion and redirect stolen capital back to the center for the profit of the chosen people. Italy tried to colonize Ethiopia, Germany expanded eastward and westward. Empire building is a capitalist enterprise.

Simply because the state did redirect some resources to benefit the people through services does not negate the fundamentally bourgeois and capitalist trappings of fascism.

Edit: also forgot Japan and the "greater east Asia co-prosperity sphere" which again was a capitalist, developmental program designed to enrich Japan at the cost of its neighbors.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I mean I wouldn't say that fascism is just turbo-capitalism or whatever but historically the actually-fascist states were certainly very, uh, capitalism adjacent if nothing else.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

To the Anonymous above: you are the 'bereaved parent' author of the letter in question, aren't you?
You just could not keep away from the blog you trolled in order to see the effect of your very obviously phony, lame handiwork.
I know your type very well from experience: the projection of your own personality type (self-obsessed) onto another is another very well-known -classic- trait of narcissists in the field of psychology.

DARVO - acronym for Deny Attack Reverse Victim Obstruct the telling of truth is also very well-known: the typical behaviour of a Narcissist-Psychopath-Sadist-Pathological Liar when caught out in lies. And I caught you, didn't I? You are freaking out- lashing out in anger- just as I've seen in the past from others such as you.

Note well my "self-obsessed idiot" comment. "Self-obsessed idiot" that I am I offered specific information on the Dark Triad-Driad of personalities which anyone who wishes to research for themselves can now do.

"Self-obsessed idiot" that I am, I wrote my initial comment in this post to inform anyone who wishes to learn how to protect themselves from liars/narcissists/psychopaths and other controlling personality types.

This 'self-obsessed idiot" offered information.

What have you offered except for a shoot the messenger ad hominem attack at a person you term a "self-obsessed idiot"...MENSA IQ "idiot" since childhood, MENSA IQ "pattern recognizing" intelligence which I am extremely grateful for because that childhood ability to parse suspect personalities kept me alive.

Why am I an anti-natalist who refuses Pollyanna glasses to view the world? Because this "self-obsessed idiot" noticed from childhood that the world was not filled with Tra-La-La tip-toe-through-the-tulips beauty, goodness and light.

Despite that knowledge, this "self-obsessed idiot" did not become bitter with the world or hateful. However, I very much despise those who attempt to use others as fools or credulous.
I call out lies and liars when I see them.

I called out you, Mr.Phoney Bereaved Parent.

Please continue with the ad hominems. This "self-obsessed idiot" is used to them. I have been called very much worse by a serial killer I used to know.

What's happening here? Though I do like this typo:

quote:

Ultimately for Zizkek the Symbolic Order is some kind of virtual recompensation for this loss of objective reality, then this originary psychosis, essential to what it is to be a subject, must be primordially repressed if it is to be successful.

Zizek + Kek.

WrenP-Complete has a new favorite as of 16:45 on Oct 26, 2016

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

ate all the Oreos posted:

I mean I wouldn't say that fascism is just turbo-capitalism or whatever but historically the actually-fascist states were certainly very, uh, capitalism adjacent if nothing else.

They sure loved awarding crazy arms deal contracts to personal clients while keeping the plates spinning by looting the poo poo out of occupies territory, yeah.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

MC Nietzche posted:

Empire building is a capitalist enterprise.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know, the soviets certainly did a lot of it early on and while they were hardly model socialists they really can't be called capitalists by any stretch of the word. I think empire building is more a ruling class enterprise and so the motives are going to reflect whichever ruling class is doing it at the time.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
I have to admit, Phil's co-opting the alt-right tactic of portraying a political opponent through a porn fetish metaphor is brilliantly executed.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Anyone else got theirs yet?

https://twitter.com/mariusagricola/status/790706381837967360

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

WrenP-Complete posted:

What's happening here? Though I do like this typo:


Zizek + Kek.

One of Mr. Mean-Spirited's antinatalist buddies reposted a genuinely tragic and horrifying story someone told him about losing his child

Then the comments section, being the kind of people who rub shoulders with MMS, came out in force to be the biggest shitheads imaginable and post bizarre rants about how many serial killers they knew who talked exactly like this.

MatchaZed
Feb 14, 2010

We Can Do It!



Yeah, I got mine. Slowly working my way through it.

Osama Dozen-Dongs
Nov 29, 2014

MC Nietzche posted:

It comes from analysis of what fascist states actually did as opposed to what they would say they'd do. That is they engage in aggressive expansion and redirect stolen capital back to the center for the profit of the chosen people. Italy tried to colonize Ethiopia, Germany expanded eastward and westward. Empire building is a capitalist enterprise.

Simply because the state did redirect some resources to benefit the people through services does not negate the fundamentally bourgeois and capitalist trappings of fascism.

That's some top-class doublespeak right there. Holding onto and expanding pre-existing social and healthcare programs is what the Fascists actually did, and it's literally the opposite of what the Tories are doing. Two opposites cannot simultaneously be the height of capitalism.

You also have to hold some pretty funny definition of capitalism to claim "Empire building is a capitalist enterprise." Empire building predates capitalism by almost 4000 years, or do you somehow wish to claim that despotates and god-empires are somehow a form of capitalism?

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Woman are told, and believe, that jobs and education make them attractive. Sorry girls. They make you ugly.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Woman are told, and believe, that jobs and education make them attractive. Sorry girls. They make you ugly.

I've never really heard this told to women but I've heard it told to fat ugly men a whole lot. I remember it being a plotline on Drew Carey, that Drew might be a fat boring office worker but he's got a job and a house and that makes him a total sexy catch!

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.

Waiting on my colour version here.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

ate all the Oreos posted:

I've never really heard this told to women but I've heard it told to fat ugly men a whole lot. I remember it being a plotline on Drew Carey, that Drew might be a fat boring office worker but he's got a job and a house and that makes him a total sexy catch!

If I beat a woman, it is because she wants me to beat her.

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
Hot

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Lottery of Babylon posted:

If I beat a woman, it is because she wants me to beat her.

You know, if they were going for a literal interpretation (rather than the terrifying subtext they actually mean), that would be a pretty decent philosophy.

Only punch people who want to be punched, kids.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Darth Walrus posted:

You know, if they were going for a literal interpretation (rather than the terrifying subtext they actually mean), that would be a pretty decent philosophy.

Only punch people who want to be punched, kids.

If a man sleeps with another man’s wife, the offended husband may kill him, or the state will execute him. The wife may be punished according to the husband’s discretion.

If a man prostitutes his wife or girlfriend, makes her sleep with another man, he shall be executed by the state. If a man allows himself to be cuckolded, allows his wife to sleep with another man, the state shall execute both of them.

We do this not to punish the wicked husband, but to protect the husband from the wiles of woman, as Odysseus had himself tied to the mast, and ordered his men to slay him should he break free.

If a man gravely wrongs his wife, the state may relieve her of the duty of always being respectful to him, always obeying him, never speaking back to him, and always being sexually available to him, while requiring him to continue to support her, which is to say, allow her divorce for grave wrongs, but the state should not relieve her of the duty to never be sexually available to another man, because otherwise she will concoct fictitious grave wrongs, or manipulate her husband into genuinely committing grave wrongs, as soon as she encounters a man seemingly more alpha than her husband. If she does sleep with another man after divorce, her husband can stop supporting her, or he can forcibly take her back and punish her at his discretion.

Women should be fully under the authority of the male head of household, and should remain legally children until menopause. The head of household should have authority to physically discipline wife and children.

Normally marriage should be romantic, consensual, monogamous, should reflect erotic love and should be permanent. Normally couples should not be allowed to date unless engaged, where engagement consists of a promise to marry, understood as a promise to marry if they have sex.

However, due to various forms of misconduct, we often have to break from this ideal one way or another. We should break from the ideal not by dissolving the marriage, but by coercing people to marry and to stay married, by enforcing both the man’s duty to support the woman, and the woman’s duty to obey him, respect him, be always sexually available to him, and never sexually available to anyone else.

Female consent is foolish, irresponsible, reckless and easily manipulated. So the first principle to be laid aside should be female consent, and permanency the last principle to be laid aside. Female consent does not make sex right, nor lack of consent make sex wrong.

Varying degrees of shotgun marriage should be applied for misbehavior. For example, if a woman gets pregnant, and the father is marriageable, they should be forced to marry. If he refuses to marry, he gets a support order. If she refuses to marry, she gets concubinage – the duty to obey him, respect him, provide domestic and sexual services to him and never to anyone else, the duties and obligations of marriage without the honor and protections of marriage. (That is how they did it in Australia at the end of the eighteenth century)

If she sleeps with a non marriageable man, she should be required to get married to someone marriageable, anyone, in a hurry, under threat of being assigned to someone in concubinage. Again, in Australia in the late eighteenth century, a lot of women somehow managed to find good husbands with amazing swiftness, usually in days, sometimes in hours.

Polybius91
Jun 4, 2012

Cobrastan is not a real country.
How the gently caress could someone think any of this is a good idea

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
skin crawling over here, seriously. where do you find these mutants?

Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013




Polybius91 posted:

How the gently caress could someone think any of this is a good idea

Personally I thought it was a copy and paste from The Handmaid's Tale

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Anticheese posted:

I took a job to set up some IT equipment for a kinda weird guy out in the middle of nowhere. His phone and browser bookmarks bar was full of infowars stuff.

There was lots of polite smiling and nodding that day

Holy crap this post just knocked loose a repressed memory of the time I was fixing the computer of the CEO of my last company and the browser had like "How to know if you've become dead inside" and "What does it mean if I can't feel emotions anymore" right at the top of the bookmarks :stonk:

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

ate all the Oreos posted:

Holy crap this post just knocked loose a repressed memory of the time I was fixing the computer of the CEO of my last company and the browser had like "How to know if you've become dead inside" and "What does it mean if I can't feel emotions anymore" right at the top of the bookmarks :stonk:

Sounds more like he was severely depressed than a member of the alt-right.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I Killed GBS posted:

Sounds more like he was severely depressed than a member of the alt-right.

Yeah I didn't mean he fit in with this thread at all it just knocked loose a memory and dammit I am going to share it with you, internet friends.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

For anyone not willing to google this poo poo, this is "How to implement patriarchy" from Jim's blog, the one person angrier than Mister Mean-Spirited.

Anybody want to see Jim talk about American empire?

The Cathedral is whatever I want it to mean posted:

I have been predicting, and still predict, that the fall of the Cathedral will be long, bloody, and terrible, and that the Cathedral will likely be replaced by something that none of us want, like the Islamic Caliphate.

But lately there have been happier signs, like the Trumpening.

And the defection of Duterte from the blue empire is another encouraging sign.

Duterte won the Philippine election on a hugely popular program of replacing the dysfunctional justice system with right wing death squads. The Cathedral could not quite believe this, but after a while started murmuring about doing something, presumably another color revolution after the fashion of Syria.

Whereupon Duterte defected from the “International Community” to China, seeking Chinese protection against US military intervention.

Hillary’s program is to restore the blue empire by overtly violent means. Trump’s program is to let it go.

What happened in the Soviet Union is that when they let Afghanistan go, then another state went, and another state went, and a landslide of states, and then Moscow itself fell.

While the International Community, the blue empire of the consulates, has been struggling with Syria, Thailand and the Philippines have wandered off the reservation. Insurrection has a habit of cascading. To restore control, it would not be sufficient to destroy Syria and have the Alawites and Christians genocided, but war with Thailand and the Philippines might well also be necessary, and might well escalate to similar degrees of horror.

War tends to become far more horrible than those starting it expect. The Cathedral is piously indignant about barrel bombs, forgetting that the neighborhoods being bombed were often quite recently ethnically cleansed of their previous inhabitants by the forces supported by the Cathedral.

It seems to me that if a neighborhood was previously occupied by group A, and then group B drives them out, it is perfectly reasonable for group A and their allies to bomb the hell out the neighborhoods new and old occupied by group B. Yeah, there are children living it those neighborhoods. And there children driven out of their homes by violence when those neighborhoods were ethnically cleansed. The Cathedral has sponsored a whole lot of violent ethnic cleansing in Syria, which caused, and entirely justifies, the violence that we now see in the reconquest of Aleppo.

And the Cathedral has sponsored a whole lot of violent ethnic cleansing in America, to which everyone piously turns a blind eye.

The empire rests on white males, while sadistically increasing the oppression of whites and males to ever more ridiculous extremes. Contrary to the fantasies of the 1488ers, no backlash ensues, instead whites and males become ever more passive, apathetic, terrorized, and emasculated. But on the periphery of empire, the empire is collapsing.

This collapse does not reflect for the most part backlash against anti white and anti male measures (though Boko Haram is unambiguously backlash against anti male measures) but the fundamental military weakness of a society that is constructed by white males, that is entirely dependent on the work and military capability of white males, and is ever more hostile to white males. The utterly extraordinary and almost incredible British defeats in Basra and Helmand province show what happens when you feminize your military. The empire is falling not because white males will fight their oppressors, but because they will not fight for their oppressors. Will the fall of the Blue Empire go all the way to Washington, as the fall of the Soviet Empire went all the way to Moscow?

Isn't this just a slightly-tweaked version of domino theory? If one goes the rest follow?

danger-carpet
Aug 3, 2016

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Woman are told, and believe, that jobs and education make them attractive. Sorry girls. They make you ugly.
http://rightlyconsidered.org/2016/10/24/nagging-philosophy-shrews-and-their-enablers/

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Looooll those guys managed to get people from actual academia to pay attention to them for five seconds and they loudly whined about how evil leftist academia was for criticizing them, and then said people STOPPED paying attention to them and they started whining about how evil leftist academia was for not criticizing them http://rightlyconsidered.org/2016/10/11/the-futile-beyond-the-pale-strategy/

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Looooll those guys managed to get people from actual academia to pay attention to them for five seconds and they loudly whined about how evil leftist academia was for criticizing them, and then said people STOPPED paying attention to them and they started whining about how evil leftist academia was for not criticizing them http://rightlyconsidered.org/2016/10/11/the-futile-beyond-the-pale-strategy/

The bio page for these guys is incredible.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

quote:

Jack Burton
This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I’m talkin’ to whoever’s listenin’ out there. When not doing historical philosophy, he’s fighting the forces of evil (i.e., Lo Pan, his minions, and leftists). To those who fear university bureaucrats, “social justice” activists, and anyone with a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker, just remember what ol’ Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol’ storm right square in the eye and he says, “Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it.”
No, gently caress off.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

90s Cringe Rock posted:

No, gently caress off.

How is it even remotely possible to watch that movie and not realize that Jack Burton is a gigantic waste of space who bumbles through the main story and the real hero is Wang Chi?

black potus
Jul 13, 2006

DarklyDreaming posted:

How is it even remotely possible to watch that movie and not realize that Jack Burton is a gigantic waste of space who bumbles through the main story and the real hero is Wang Chi?

Severe melanin deficiency.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

black potus posted:

Severe melanin deficiency.

I dunno I'm pretty pale and I pegged it right away :shrug:

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Pretty sure it's just plain old racism/terminal privilege.

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

Each one of them is incredible in their own right. They're like the TLO of ultraconservatives.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Anil Dasharez0ne posted:

Each one of them is incredible in their own right. They're like the TLO of ultraconservatives.

Oh hey it's JW Friedman from IDEOTV

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2016/10/time-to-take-black-pill.html


MMS gives us the latest version of the speech he gives himself in the mirror when he needs to stop hysterically crying

His generally positive fanbase is eating this poo poo up

Some dorks posted:

This is one of the most amazing pieces of writing that you did on this blog.I loved it both from philosophical and literary perspective. May I ask, which authors do you think influenced your writing style?

Maybe your best post ever, Mr. Mean. Even has a bit of a Ligottian vibe to it.

I agree with all the comments. This is a brilliant piece of philosophy and literature. It reminds me of a book by Ernst Junger: The Forest Passage. Here's the synopsis courtesy of Amazon:

"Jünger's manifesto is a defense of freedom against the pressure to conform to political manipulation and artificial consensus. A response to the European experience under Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, The Forest Passage has lessons equally relevant for today, wherever an imposed uniformity threatens to stifle liberty".

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