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Let me remind you all that these guys are not some nobody first-time offenders, but have had a track record since 199-loving-3. There is no justice. This is a complete shitshow coming out of nowhere like a haymaker to the face.
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A Winner is Jew posted:If you're a white progressive this is probably the closest thing to knowing what the rodney king verdict felt like to black people. 
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Let me remind you all that these guys are not some nobody first-time offenders, but have had a track record since 199-loving-3.
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Sinteres posted:It wasn't a serious suggestion. Too late I already sent a tip to Breitbart. They're gonna be ecstatic
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https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/791796420252725249 Bill keeps being bad at math.
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FactsAreUseless posted:It didn't come out of nowhere. Did you follow the case? Of course I was following it. It was an open and shut case, though. I guess I should have been clearer and said that the verdict was out of nowhere, or at least very unlikely to sane, rational people who still believe in a sense of justice and at least try not to expect courts to explicitly not give a gently caress in the form of a verdict by a process (ie jury nullification) that many goons take for granted as a weapon to avenge bad judges or whatnot. e: Not a single charge stuck? Nothing? That's too insane to even consider beyond comedic levels of white privilege for patent criminals and thugs. Like, literal South Park joke-levels of beyond rational possibility. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Oct 28, 2016 01:22
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FactsAreUseless posted:They were also acquitted on some firearms charges, but I forget all the details. The firearm charges were basically tacked on to the first charge, which was conspiracy to obstruct federal workers. Sort of a regular robbery vs armed robbery thing. The firearm charges became moot once the first charge fell through.
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Northjayhawk posted:oh, they were ONLY tried for conspiracy? Thats it? There were 6 charges including:  full indictment: http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/09/SUPERSEDINGINDICT3916.pdf
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Maybe Oregon will announce charges against them but I'd be amazed if they had any desire to do so after watching a slam dunk case get tossed like this one just did. I can't imagine any prosecutor having enough faith in their potential jury at this point even if the state level charges would be 'easier' to prove.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Of course I was following it. It was an open and shut case, though.
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iospace posted:The firearm charges were basically tacked on to the first charge, which was conspiracy to obstruct federal workers. Sort of a regular robbery vs armed robbery thing. The firearm charges became moot once the first charge fell through.
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Links to the podcast if you're interested: https://soundcloud.com/thislandisourland https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/this-land-is-our-land/id1149550151?mt=2 size1one posted:Wasn't one of the charges possession of a firearm on federal land/facilities? There was video evidence of them carrying guns! Possession alone is not always illegal. While they did have guns and video evidence of them with guns, there's no evidence of them using the guns to threaten people, nor did the federal prosecutors try to provide evidence linking specific guns to specific people in ways that would be illegal (according to the charges presented.)
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size1one posted:There were 6 charges including: Were some of the charges already dropped? This site is saying this https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/document/58128adac36188a97e8b457d/amp quote:A jury found all seven remaining occupiers not-guilty of all charges except for one charge that has yet to be disclosed, KBOI reported.
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Night10194 posted:I discovered why I got an absentee ballot I didn't apply for: It's for the last resident of my apartment. I would torch or shred it and then send them a letter saying you destroyed it and they have the wrong address.
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FactsAreUseless posted:It's not a good verdict, but acting like it came out of nowhere fails to address the reasons why it happened. It wasn't unpredictable. There were a lot of problems with how the government presented their case. Court cases aren't just about the facts. Um... I don't disagree with you?  It's not unpredictable, no. It's just... Hope for a more just world existing as it does now withers in the face of severe cynicism. e: As in, I'd hold courts to a standard above obviously bogus rulings like the Dred Scott case or Plessy v. Ferguson in the face of crushingly obvious and damning/plentiful evidence and how nothing stuck. How naive of me. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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CrazyLittle posted:Links to the podcast if you're interested: I just looked up the statute. It is always illegal but they weren't charged with simple possession. They were charged with possession in the commission of a crime. The latter is 5 years in jail instead of just 1. Why they weren't charged with both is mind boggling though. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
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Edit: Removing post advocating violence. Not rational, just angry.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Were some of the charges already dropped? This site is saying this I don't think so. The local news here said they were found not guilty on 5 charges, with 1 charge undecided.
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Telsa Cola posted:An acquittal should have some further backing more than "We felt like being nice today". It's a necessity to having a free court of law. No getting around it plain and simple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ
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Jesus, Pence's plane came down hard: https://twitter.com/InesdLC/status/791791692143792128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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size1one posted:I just looked up the statute. It is always illegal but they weren't charged with simple possession. They were charged with possession in the commission of a crime. The latter is 5 years in jail instead of just 1. Why they weren't charged with both is mind boggling though. I don't know. Why was Zimmerman charged with Murder 2 when manslaughter was a dunk from half court?
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size1one posted:I just looked up the statute. It is always illegal but they weren't charged with simple possession. They were charged with possession in the commission of a crime. The latter is 5 years in jail instead of just 1. Why they weren't charged with both is mind boggling though. It's possible they were worried that a simple possession charge could have turned it into a second amendment battle.
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Apraxin posted:Jesus, Pence's plane came down hard: Wow, tonight is a busy night. 
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Move Portland to Washington and sell Oregon to the Canadians.
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size1one posted:I just looked up the statute. It is always illegal but they weren't charged with simple possession. They were charged with possession in the commission of a crime. The latter is 5 years in jail instead of just 1. Why they weren't charged with both is mind boggling though. It's legal to have a gun on a wildlife refuge per subsec (d)(3) for "hunting or other legal reasons", and as you mentioned they were charged with the possession in the commission part, which was probably dumb. Perhaps charging both might be considered double jeopardy since you're trying the same "crime" twice? Also while the indictment listed six charges, here's a picture of the verdict sheet from the jurors: 
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Apraxin posted:Jesus, Pence's plane came down hard: Looks like absolutely no-one was hurt, just damage to the plane and tarmac. I know we hate Pence but I'm glad there were no injuries, still.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Move Portland to Washington and sell Oregon to the Canadians.
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This is like when a bad guy shows up in a prequel and they can't face any real justice until then.
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Apraxin posted:Jesus, Pence's plane came down hard: It looks bad but it's not. Those are EMAS (Engineered Materials Arrestor System) panels. They're a highly aerated concrete composite that's designed to crush like that to absorb the plane's energy and slow it down quickly and safely. LaGuardia has them because they don't have space for a traditional 1000' overrun at the end of the runway. They're also SUPER expensive so I wonder if the campaign is getting the bill for it.
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overdesigned posted:It looks bad but it's not. Those are EMAS (Engineered Materials Arrestor System) panels. They're a highly aerated concrete composite that's designed to crush like that to absorb the plane's energy and slow it down quickly and safely. LaGuardia has them because they don't have space for a traditional 1000' overrun at the end of the runway.
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FactsAreUseless posted:So what, they have to skip over Washington? Think things through a little. We can sell them Eastern Washington to make it contiguous.
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Maybe this close encounter with death with be a come to jesus moment for himhahahahaahah nope he's still an evil sack of poo poo.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:This is like when a bad guy shows up in a prequel and they can't face any real justice until then. 23 years is a long time for a prequel.
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FactsAreUseless posted:So what, they have to skip over Washington? Think things through a little. Also give Puerto Rico statehood so we don't have to change the flags.
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peengers posted:Maybe this close encounter with death with be a come to jesus moment for himhahahahaahah nope he's still an evil sack of poo poo. "Supply side jesus kept me alive to carry on the crusade!"
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peengers posted:Maybe this close encounter with death with be a come to jesus moment for himhahahahaahah nope he's still an evil sack of poo poo.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:This is like when a bad guy shows up in a prequel and they can't face any real justice until then. I don't look forward to the many sequels coming very soon.
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If it's any consolation people will be struggling to remember who Pence is again in three weeks.
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Mark Kirk: I'd forgotten your parents came all the way from Thailand to serve George Washington." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUEwhcXNWM0&feature=youtu.be
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