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a new study bible! posted:The NBA has always been that way though so it doesn't matter unless they created a cool system for distributing draft picks. Give the championship winner pick 30, the worst team in the league pick 29, the championship runner up pick 28, second worse 27, and so on. Just curious, how would teams force themselves to get better at free agency if they're perennial losers who also can't get a draft pick
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MourningView posted:That team with a Kyrie/Wiggins/Thompson core would be pretty lovely Yes But hinkies whole plan was to trade assets as well. I mean the cavs are the perfect example of a Hinkie team. He just did or was doing what they did.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:13
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IcePhoenix posted:Yeah but they got Noel + another first in that trade and a lot of people thought he was going to be really good and the first ended up being pretty high too I think?
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Oct 28, 2016 02:13
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Cool Buff Man posted:Just curious, how would teams force themselves to get better at free agency if they're perennial losers who also can't get a draft pick By overpaying bad players, duh
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Oct 28, 2016 02:15
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I can't believe we are still arguing I'd hinkie was right . The problem was he was too right and the league can't handle it .
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Oct 28, 2016 02:14
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euphronius posted:Yes Right and it only succeeded because the best player on earth happened to be born nearby
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Oct 28, 2016 02:16
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euphronius posted:They never drafted in a spot when a guard was bpa. And also nobody wants to trade them for a guard because nobody wants big men. Cool Buff Man posted:Just curious, how would teams force themselves to get better at free agency if they're perennial losers who also can't get a draft pick By throwing the most money at players? IDK give the worst teams a cap advantage to sign free agents. Im just spitballing here bro.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:16
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straight up brolic posted:they got Nerlens Noel and Michael Carter Williams (now the Lakers protected pick) for Jrue Holiday which is p much a wash at this point although maybe the Lakers pick winds up being like #5 Not McW, they got saric and another #1 for holiday McW was thier pick
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Oct 28, 2016 02:17
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MourningView posted:The Spurs are like the defining example of tanking working It's all well and good if you can pull rotation worthy fringe all stars out of nothing but it helps to have generational big men to build around
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Oct 28, 2016 02:17
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MourningView posted:Right and it only succeeded because the best player on earth happened to be born nearby He never would have come back if they didn't have love kyrie tt. You make a good point though.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:19
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straight up brolic posted:Duncan and Curry were both drafted by those teams.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:20
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euphronius posted:I can't believe we are still arguing I'd hinkie was right . "Hinkie was right" is just saying "It's better to have a high draft pick" Obviously it's true, but its hosed up and retarded that the league rewards putting trash on the court and actively getting worse for years at a time.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:19
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a new study bible! posted:"Hinkie was right" is just saying "It's better to have a high draft pick" Agreed. Hinkie shows the Real of this and the league revolted in horror. Don't show the Real.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:21
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a new study bible! posted:"Hinkie was right" is just saying "It's better to have a high draft pick" So how is this different from every other sport, what ideas are you trying to say
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Oct 28, 2016 02:22
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euphronius posted:He never would have come back if they didn't have love kyrie tt. Kyrie was the Clippers' pick they were too dumb to protect
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Oct 28, 2016 02:22
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a new study bible! posted:"Hinkie was right" is just saying "It's better to have a high draft pick" Hinkie was right. If Joel Embiid ever met you he'd spit in your loving face.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:21
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Duncan is retired and the Spurs are still some level of contender, and while he was still good last year, he wasn't the reason they won 67 games. Curry was the 7th pick. The Warriors didn't win a lottery, which to me is what the guy was talking about. None of the other guys mentioned required that high of a draft pick to get. There are obviously fringe cases where a great player slips out of the top five, but it's not like we're talking about the NFL draft here.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:21
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Duncan is retired and the Spurs are still some level of contender, and while he was still good last year, he wasn't the reason they won 67 games. Curry was the 7th pick. The Warriors didn't win a lottery, which to me is what the guy was talking about. None of the other guys mentioned required that high of a draft pick to get. it's been one game my guy
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Oct 28, 2016 02:23
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Duncan was phenomenal in defensive rating last year wasn't he.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:24
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Cool Buff Man posted:I'm sure russell "my brother is the fattest man in the world" westbrook just spends all of his time taunting fat people on camera much lessbrook seems like a nice man
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Oct 28, 2016 02:25
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EvanTH posted:much lessbrook seems like a nice man He's great and Russ seems to love him a lot. I like a family man
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Oct 28, 2016 02:26
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It's a shame Philly dumped Hinkie, then he could just trade Embiid, Okafor*, Noel*, and Saric for prospective future first round picks, since it is clear that none of those four will be transcendent players. He should have just kept the treadmill going until Lebron Junior hits the league, then he would have enough draft capital to move up and get him for sure. *except that nobody wants to trade for them
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Oct 28, 2016 02:27
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I think the fat man had it coming imo
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Oct 28, 2016 02:28
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The best way to build a team is to buy another bad team's lotto picks with aging expensive vets and then become a mediocre playoff team with above average regular season stars.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:28
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Also Desiigner definitely had it coming
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Oct 28, 2016 02:29
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a new study bible! posted:It's a shame Philly dumped Hinkie, then he could just trade Embiid, Okafor*, Noel*, and Saric for prospective future first round picks, since it is clear that none of those four will be transcendent players. He should have just kept the treadmill going until Lebron Junior hits the league, then he would have enough draft capital to move up and get him for sure. In three years he got embiid and Simmons. That's pretty good.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:29
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euphronius posted:The best way to build a team is to buy another bad team's lotto picks with aging expensive vets and then become a mediocre playoff team with above average regular season stars. You can't really spin Boston's situation to be a bad one even if you try to be as stupid and reductive as possible
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Oct 28, 2016 02:30
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Literally no owner would sign up for their team to actively be bad for 4-6 years. Hinkie was fired because he was loving terrible at executing his strategy. They flopped in draft after draft and kept kicking the can to being good down the road. The 76ers won 10 games last year and only have two, possibly four, promising young players. Embiid is cool.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:30
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Cool Buff Man posted:You can't really spin Boston's situation to be a bad one even if you try to be as stupid and reductive as possible ????? I'm saying it's the best possible ?
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Oct 28, 2016 02:31
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Philly is definitely going to get something of value for Noel in February, unless his surgery rehab goes seriously wrong and he isn't healthy. Okafor would have teams interested in him for sure but unless someone offers a high lottery pick there's really no point in Philly moving him yet, he could still be really good. If Philly took Porzingis instead of Okafor in 2015 draft then Hinke probably still has his job.
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euphronius posted:above average regular season stars. This is likely what happens to Philly after 4 years of tanking.
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euphronius posted:????? I'm so used to people being sarcastic about Boston that I've become bitter. Sorry mate.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:32
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Unless you are banking on Simmons being a top 5 player, which is possible, but counting on it seems silly.
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straight up brolic posted:Literally no owner would sign up for their team to actively be bad for 4-6 years. Hinkie was fired because he was loving terrible at executing his strategy. They flopped in draft after draft and kept kicking the can to being good down the road. The 76ers won 10 games last year and only have two, possibly four, promising young players. Embiid is cool. If saric is good which I think he may be and the Lakers pick is good they flopped in no drafts. Noel is a disappointing result.
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a new study bible! posted:There are obviously fringe cases where a great player slips out of the top five, but it's not like we're talking about the NFL draft here. 10 of last year's 15 all-NBA players were taken fifth or later
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a new study bible! posted:This is likely what happens to Philly after 4 years of tanking. Simmons and embiid ceiling well above anything on Boston right now save for the bkn pick and swap.
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Oct 28, 2016 02:34
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a new study bible! posted:I think the fat man had it coming imo imo visiting teams should be able to eject one fan per half
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Oct 28, 2016 02:34
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a new study bible! posted:Unless you are banking on Simmons being a top 5 player, which is possible, but counting on it seems silly. Uhh... isn't that exactly the idea? Get lottery picks, draft well and hopefully one of them is a franchise piece to build around?
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Shear Modulus posted:imo visiting teams should be able to eject one fan per half Court Rules: Jury Selection
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euphronius posted:Simmons and embiid ceiling well above anything on Boston right now save for the bkn pick and swap. I wish I had as much faith in Embiids health as you do.
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