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BlackIronHeart posted:How's that work? Double jeopardy means they can't be tried for this slew of BS but if I get acquitted of murdering Joe, I'm not somehow immune to prosecution for murdering Jack. No, but if you get acquitted of killing Joe and Jack, you're probably not going to think twice about killing Ben and the DA might even be worried about charging you and losing again. edit: Also assume that murder is more complex and controversial.
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There are at least pictures of them pointing guns at police in the Nevada case, which wasn't the case in Oregon. lmao what am I even saying, laws don't apply to them.
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Oct 28, 2016 06:26
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So can the guys who pled guilty try to appeal their charges now? They've admitted to it.
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Burt Sexual posted:This was a bird refuge in the middle of no where, not Ft Knox Tell that to the people that were stalked in Burns during the occupation.
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BlackIronHeart posted:How's that work? Double jeopardy means they can't be tried for this slew of BS but if I get acquitted of murdering Joe, I'm not somehow immune to prosecution for murdering Jack. this is a much more complicated case than a murder would be, and this verdict creates a precedent for cases like this in the future.
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^^^^^^^ It doesn't create a precedent. Jury verdicts don't do that. However, they do make prosecutors wary. Casimir Radon posted:So can the guys who pled guilty try to appeal their charges now? They've admitted to it. No. They can try to withdraw pleas, but without a showing of a legal defect ("I changed my mind" isn't on), they lose. And they're now traitors, so the sovcits won't even help them.
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Casimir Radon posted:So can the guys who pled guilty try to appeal their charges now? They've admitted to it. Nah its actually pretty common for people tried separately to get contradictory verdicts
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Oct 28, 2016 06:31
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BlackIronHeart posted:How's that work? Double jeopardy means they can't be tried for this slew of BS but if I get acquitted of murdering Joe, I'm not somehow immune to prosecution for murdering Jack. Think about it - if they skate on the Oregon armed occupation of federal property and armed interference of federal agents carrying out lawful orders in Nevada what can you convict them of? As long as they keep doing this in areas with a sympathetic jury pool I honestly don't think there's a charge that will stick.
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Boner Zone posted:they're just going to immediately do this again, but will have even more Nah, if anything it will be the opposite and the feds will be even more reluctant to move against them in future
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http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/as_trial_ends_surreal_scene_le.htmlquote:
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We just have to wait until they escalate it to storming a military installation and then at that point the problem just solves itself.
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Cubey posted:this is a much more complicated case than a murder would be, and this verdict creates a precedent for cases like this in the future. I think different charges could have gotten a different verdict. There was footage of people doing bad things like at the very least vandalism, but they weren't charged with that. And I guess if no federal employees actually tried to go to work, that left enough wiggle room for reasonable doubt on the conspiracy to impede charge. Sure, the militants posted armed guards and loving snipers to control who went in and out, but maybe that's not proof they would have interfered with any office staff coming into work.
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Oct 28, 2016 06:56
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I'd love to see those jurors show up for court if a dozen armed "protesters" were occupying the courthouse with a sniper on the roof. It's only confusing to idiots, which this country is unfortunately not lacking.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/as_trial_ends_surreal_scene_le.html I'm pretty confused as to why they jumped him if the judge told them to move back? If that fact pattern is complete and accurate, it would seem that the marshals overreacted. Given that even the appointed attorneys seem to backing his story, I'd tend to side with that.
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Oct 28, 2016 06:58
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The jury may also have latched onto the fact that the workers were allowed to work from home.
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Oct 28, 2016 06:59
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Good job, America. There was not a clear path to gently caress this one up, but you found it. Outstanding!
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Oct 28, 2016 07:08
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I've seen that episode of Law and order
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https://youtu.be/QCozh_vbYdM This video cheered me up a bit.
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WINNINGHARD posted:Janet reno was right With another Clinton about to be President I look forward to more Wacos being perpetrated on SovCits.
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nm posted:I'm pretty confused as to why they jumped him if the judge told them to move back? Probably because he interfered with marshals returning an inmate to custody? In Mumford's account in the video he said he turned to the marshals when they approached and asked to see their papers. That's after the judge had told him there was a hold from Nevada. I'd guess a) the marshals didn't move in to hassle Mumford, they moved in to take Bundy, and b) they probably told Mumford to get out of the way. He knew exactly what he was doing. If, however, those guesses are wrong, then yeah, it seems a bit premature to grab him. And all the appointed counsel did not agree with him: quote:
Defending a bunch of lawless assholes - even in the profoundly unprofessional way Mumford did - is fine and good. Pushing that same sort of lawlessness yourself to burnish your sov cit cred is not. The Nevada court didn't have jurisdiction to hold Ammon Bundy? Mumford was literally pulling the "show me three forms of ID or you're not a cop" bullshit sovcits do on traffic stops. Give me a loving break.
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Mumford is, himself, a sovcit.
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Oct 28, 2016 07:39
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Y’all are jealous that Marcus Mumford is the greatest living defense attorney.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:With another Clinton about to be President I look forward to more Wacos being perpetrated on SovCits. these embarassments have took the public's property with force and got away with it. They should have been shot.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:With another Clinton about to be President I look forward to more Wacos being perpetrated on SovCits. As someone that lives in Oklahoma it's going to suck using federal buildings during another Clinton administration.
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It's absolutely clear now that the common man needs a babysitter to hold his tongue so that he doesn't choke on it.
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Oct 28, 2016 07:55
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WINNINGHARD posted:It's absolutely clear now that the common man needs a babysitter to hold his tongue so that he doesn't choke on it. A nanny, if you will.
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hobbesmaster posted:The jury may also have latched onto the fact that the workers were allowed to work from home. yeah, as soon as I heard that bit about workers being able to work from home, i worried that that would get latched on to and possibly lead to some charges not sticking. i certainly did not anticipate full loving jury nullification though
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next time they should just loving roll up in armored vehicles and drop tear gas.
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WINNINGHARD posted:these embarassments have took the public's property with force and got away with it. They should have been shot. You're advocating for extra-judicial killings. You've literally become the powerless boogieman of the Sov Cits. You should rethink your choice.
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ate all the Oreos posted:I've had an emergency plan to move to New Zealand if America ever goes super-bad that I've never seriously considered but I am legitimately investigating it now. Between this and Trump I don't think I have ever been more collectively disappointed in the American people in my entire life. 
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JUSTICE
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SMatsumoto55/status/791853427198271488
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Oh look the sad misguided gently caress with daddy issues learned nothing. Can we please not have this weird obsession with being sympathetic toward David fry next time?
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You fucks are going to elect Trump too aren't you.
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cargo cult posted:people call me crazy for saying poo poo like, 'I want to flee to the Maldives before poo poo gets anymore ridiculous', and im not even white The high point of the Maldives is 2.4 m above sea level. That’s mean sea level, not high tide. Just saying. Pull up! Pull up!
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:next time they should just loving roll up in armored vehicles and drop tear gas.
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