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Willie Tomg posted:Parasites and nanomachines are literally-within-the-text magic and I'm astonished people who purportedly give a poo poo about a game series struggle with this minutia so much when nobody has any reason to do anything at all when you think about it in The Last Metal Gear Game. Isn't that kind of the point? Metal Gear has an in-world explanation to make most things fit together coherently, and they mostly make sense on a symbolic and thematic level. In this game, we've got vocal parasites and metallic archaea instead of nanomachines, but the principle is still the same. It's a tool for storytelling, to give the characters motivation to do things. When it comes to Kojima's idiocy, I suspend my disbelief super-easy, because the stories he tells are still pretty good. Also, the plot is much less important in a story (and especially in Metal Gear) than character motivations, and I feel that those are consistent and well idealised. At the same time, it's kind of easy to see that Kojima's running out of steam with this game, even though he's been running out of steam about Metal Gear since Sons of Liberty. This is what happens when you don't really plan ahead as a games developer, and also tell your story bass-ackwards. Imagine if he hadn't been fired from Konami. Where would the Metal Gear story have gone, really? Maybe a WW2 game starring the Cobra unit, but other than that, the plot is basically finished. Philippe fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Yeah apart from Cobra Unit/Original Boss stuff there'd maybe be a second go at the plot of the original Metal Gears and that's it. Any other stuff and it'd have to be just villain of the week kind of crap because basically every actual important event has been pretty thoroughly explained by now.
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I really like what Platinum did with Rising actually. Moving on from the La Li Lu Le Lo bullshit, and exploring what their absence meant to the world.
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Willie Tomg posted:I think we should quietly yet definitely do this after a bunch of posts about an act 1 climax that shows a lot of promise, btw. I don't know if he really did though. The falling out between Kojima and the company had the feeling of something that's been building up for a while and I wouldn't find it hard to believe if that strain affected the development of the game. The appearance is that they were looking him to get the hell out of dodge as soon as possible and rush the game out. Did anyone ever find out what the whole story was behind that?
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Where would the Metal Gear story have gone, really?
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Wow the thread has had more posts in the past day then it has the past monthWheany posted:As opposed to climbing a ladder for several minutes? Touche, though I guess it feels more off in this game. In MGS3 you enter the room and just start climbing while the music plays, in 5 the big bad tells you his plan and motivation then gets quiet as the music plays. I think it would of been less jarring if the music started playing while Skull Face was still talking and then continued playing during the silence. Mantis Jr took the second vial that Boss chucked into the fire, and I guess Skull Face meant he injected one of the vials into himself to uh.. I guess spread it while he talks to BB and Miller  ?Willie Tomg posted:MGS4 is reviled as an MGS and gets ripped on a ton for a disgusting cutscene:gameplay ratio even by MGS standards, and the gross fluff surrounding the BnB unit, and that everything is basically nanomachines except for psycho mantis still being a thing for reasons that are almost aggressively unexplained but I would actually argue that last stuff owns for reasons too farty to go into in a thread that isn't about MGS4. Yeah, I feel Skull Face is really.. underutilized. Yeah he takes out Mother Base but other then that...? The guy doesn't show up that often either, reminder that this is at 31 missions in and who knows how many side missions. You don't see him in person until missions 6, he is gone until mission 12, then 20 and then he is completely gone until 30 and gets offed in 31. We see him a literal handful of times. If either some of the main missions were condensed (honestly, I'll discuss this like 2019 when I finally finish this LP and talk about it) or the guy appeared more often he would of worked better. But as it is now he appears 4 times, makes a threat then peaces out, tells you his entire plan during a car ride then dies. Also WhooooOOOOOooooOOOooo is nothing compared to machine gun hands Vadoc posted:Money spent on AAA games and the time to develop and release is less money spent on pumping out cheap mobile games and pachinko machines that would rake in profits right away. And how hilarious that this isn't actually making Konami enough money for them to double back what... a year later? And to go and make a zombie game, and I'm sure it'll be cash shopped to hell and back, like that one zombie game from Fish Noise posted:Immediate-pre-Revengeance era Twitter shitposting simulator starring The Winds of Destruction. Incoming tweet from @doktor: Left hands Raiden! "Boris, turn off my twitter function!"
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I dunno, I felt like they could have had another mission where you sneak around the Sahelanthropus hangar while it's dormant looking for XOF documents about the gasmasked kid and Skullface. Maybe Snake has to disable the nukes by finding the metal archea trigger Skullface has to disable them?
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Fish Noise posted:Immediate-pre-Revengeance era Twitter shitposting simulator starring The Winds of Destruction. Monsoon only posts image macros.
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Leal posted:I'm sure it'll be cash shopped to hell and back, like that one zombie game from BTW, has there been any backlash on the online functions (I'm thinking microtransactions/FOB invasion/GMP amount) of MGS 5?
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Now, this might be a spoiler question, but what happened with the Battle Gear Huey was building for you? Is that why Sahelanthropus got to come back with you? Cause this is, again, really Peace Walkerish. You fight the main bad guy, and destroy his bipedal superweapon, and the credits roll. After the credits, you're kicked back into gameplay and there's more story and more missions. Philippe fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Oct 23, 2016 |
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Now, this might be a spoiler question, but what happened with the Battle Gear Huey was building for you? . Konami happened
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Atomikus posted:Konami happened ...But what if it had an on-board pachinko machine?
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Leal posted:And how hilarious that this isn't actually making Konami enough money for them to double back what... a year later? And to go and make a zombie game, and I'm sure it'll be cash shopped to hell and back, like that one zombie game from
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Darkest Auer posted:Is it ever explained why the hovering gas mask kid is both selectively invisible and immune to bullets? I tried to read the plot on Wikipedia but it's just incomprehensible kojima.txt. I get that he's psychic or something but Kojima's conception of "psychic" with Psycho/Screaming Mantis and The Sorrow is strongly coorelated with (un)death and the afterlife and ghosty stuff.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Monsoon only posts image macros.  
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Wheany posted:BTW, has there been any backlash on the online functions (I'm thinking microtransactions/FOB invasion/GMP amount) of MGS 5? No one likes these functions (well, I mean I'm sure there are a few. Its the internet, they could of a fully detailed Paz torture scene and people would like it) and everyone knows its clear cash grabbing by Konami trying to squeeze out more money for their $60 game. It isn't helped that on the PC version it was so easy to run cheat engine and just give yourself infinite health or the ability to KO everyone on the strut with the push of a button (But of course you can just buy insurance with real money :iamafag:) Darkest Auer posted:Is it ever explained why the hovering gas mask kid is both selectively invisible and immune to bullets? I tried to read the plot on Wikipedia but it's just incomprehensible kojima.txt. I get that he's psychic or something but I forgot to plug my keyboard into USB port 2 
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 Side missions and cassettes 2 Today we got another batch of cassette tapes, and since a lot more side missions unlocked I can play them over the tapes. Some of the side missions unlock some really useful research options for us. Jahooty
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I like how gruff and straight to business Snake is. "I don't need gratitude--I need security."
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Thanks for LPing this game. I don't tend to nerd out over video games but I absolutely adore the Metal Gear series, but life's moved on so I never was able to pick this one up.
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Darkest Auer posted:Is it ever explained why the hovering gas mask kid is both selectively invisible and immune to bullets? I tried to read the plot on Wikipedia but it's just incomprehensible kojima.txt. I get that he's psychic or something but My explanation is that he's invading peoples' minds and affecting what they can and can't see. Be invisible one minute and the next, maybe being visible but a few feet to the left or right.
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I thought they were just teleporting but yeah it's just misc psychicshit.txt
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So, is Miller blind? When rescued, Boss asks if something happened to his eyes, and in the last cutscene he definitely looks like he's got blind person eyes... but he in no way acts like it. Kojima?!?
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Kojima. I love these scary stories by Grandpa Code Talker! Keep em coming.
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Chapter 32 Today we extract an ex XOF agent. Sorry for the delay, I've had jury duty this past week.
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The thing that gets about about The Phantom Pain is how little Boss actually talks during the game. I guess they blew all of Kiefer's budget on the audio logs? It's kinda jarring especially when you go from previous MGS to this. Way too stoic.
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It only seems less because he's not repeating everything in the form of a question.
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It's probably my favorite part of his characterization. It shows that he's not Snake anymore. He's a changed man, even in his speech. An idea: Snake's constant Metal Gearing is supposed to be a speech pattern in Japanese, a polite way of showing that you've understood, right? Does that mean that Big Boss' stoicism is meant to be impolite? And wow, the Battle Gear is really underwhelming! A four-legged tank with a rail gun (that you can't even drive around)? Really, Huey? You always find new ways to disappoint me.
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I'm kind of confused about battle gear hovering for a while what was that about?
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Tank treads make vehicles hover. It's basic engineering.
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So they used the corpses of the Cobra unit to teach the nanoma-, I mean parasites, about acrobatics, camouflage, photosynthesis and controlling bees with your mind, right? I have one slight issue with this. When Snake fought them in Russia, they all exploded when they died. So where did Diné get his hands on their corpses?
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ManSedan posted:So, is Miller blind? When rescued, Boss asks if something happened to his eyes, and in the last cutscene he definitely looks like he's got blind person eyes... but he in no way acts like it. Kojima?!?
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Its implied his eyes are sensitive to light due to being tortured, when we rescued him at the start of the game. Snake asks if they did something to Miller's eyes to which he replies "Its bright, thats all." Sorry for being late again for videos, my day after returning from jury duty I learn a coworker quit so lots of hours for me this Thanksgiving month. I am thankful for the extra spending cash I'll get at the cost of my sanity  E: Also the thing about floating tank, the treads are just to deceive you. You're across a river and think you're safe then bam, the tank just floats over the river and wrecks your poo poo.
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Chapter 33 So uh, how about reusing missions, even down to the optional side missions?
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This is basically how I'd play Metal Gear. All alert, all chaos, no skill.
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Chapter 34 Well, we are redoing a mission that is usually long if I wasn't just cutting a bunch of content because its all a rehash. So I talk about something else instead This thread is now a burger thread.  E: Also I apologize for my increasingly deterioration of my voice as the video goes on. This second episode of the flu really hosed with me. Leal fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Not as big on burgers (I *could* be but when I get beef it tends to get browned right away and frozen for pasta sauce and such) but my family makes some good fruit pies; a little tapioca to hold the thing together but mostly crust, fruit, and raisins instead of sugar as a sweetener. It's a wonderful breakfast food, but you gotta moderate that stuff. "healthier than store pie" is not the same as "healthy."
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I love burgers too! Romaine lettuce, tomato slices, a thin thing of mozzarella, pan-seared champignon, homemade garlic sauce (made from oven-roasted garlic), and a homebaked bun.
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