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This is an example of the sort of mental gymnastics people will go through to justify what the President is doing. I promise I won't turn this thread into the Political Forwards thread, Philippine edition: ["Sa mga naka-ahon na sa kahirapan" = "For those who have already managed to escape the clutches of poverty"]
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 01:51 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 10:13 |
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What does that say?
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 02:09 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:This is an example of the sort of mental gymnastics people will go through to justify what the President is doing. I promise I won't turn this thread into the Political Forwards thread, Philippine edition: It reminds me of pro-Trump internet comments, but with some bizarre national inferiority complex tacked on (in the "guy trying to talk big because he thinks everyone else is looking down on him" sense).
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 08:28 |
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It's really bizarre then that he apparently thinks that the US looks down on him and China doesn't.
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 08:49 |
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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/828811/pnp-distributes-obama-masks-for-halloween lol
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 08:58 |
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Fojar38 posted:It's really bizarre then that he apparently thinks that the US looks down on him and China doesn't. China is sucking up to him like something crazy.
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 09:05 |
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Prism posted:What does that say? My Cebuano is rubbish but I think it's "Just as I thought, a lot of Aquino lovers instantly believed Duterte's statements in China to be real. Chill out lefties, you're always panicking!'
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 11:43 |
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drilldo squirt posted:China is sucking up to him like something crazy. A more cynical person might even believe that he was a Manchurian Candidate, specifically designed to get the Philippines to abandon their claims to the SCS as China predicted that they were going to lose the UNCLOS ruling.
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# ? Oct 23, 2016 14:01 |
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A lot of you might find some interest in Prester Jane's thread on Authoritarians/Narrativists. It might have been recommended already but she does a good job explaining how and why the far right thinks and acts the way it does. It's on the longer side, and pretty wordy at times, but it's really good. I don't know if that thread's been introduced to this one yet.
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# ? Oct 24, 2016 03:39 |
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# ? Oct 24, 2016 10:18 |
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Truly, his aura of Protection from Weather, 150 Mile Radius is the real reason to elect him President.
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# ? Oct 24, 2016 16:20 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/24/philippines-senator-calls-for-duterte-to-face-crimes-against-humanity-inquiryquote:A leading member of the Philippines’ senate has called for an international criminal investigation into the country’s president in an effort to stop a vicious war on drugs that has killed more than 3,800 people since June.
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# ? Oct 24, 2016 20:12 |
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Gradenko, have you received any backlash from your recent super-sleuthing? I don't want to see you appearing on one of Duterte's hastily-prepared 'suspect' lists. (Gradenko wrote an excellent post that went viral and is now blowing up as one of the top stories on the Inquirer. I personally send the post to Rappler yesterday, but afaik they didn't run with it yet.)
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# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:01 |
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chird posted:Gradenko, have you received any backlash from your recent super-sleuthing? I don't want to see you appearing on one of Duterte's hastily-prepared 'suspect' lists. Not at all, actually. It's funny because when I posted it on facebook, one of my friends left this comment: But no one bit.
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# ? Oct 26, 2016 01:10 |
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You're doing the Lord's work. Hard for them to put a positive spin on it. The fact the company was apparently responsible for the Spratly Islands reclamation is a real kick in the balls for nationalists. I kinda wondered whether those pro-DDS groups and fake news sites like News Trend Ph were run by the Chinese government or at least the Duterte camp funded by Chinese. They seemed to appear from nowhere and the English is poor. The Chinese government's got a pretty solid history of paying for social media posts to change public opinion. In the Philippines, there's the added advantage that a high percentage of users have free access to Facebook but no access to the wider internet. This means they're stuck in their social media echo chamber, unable to do their own research on whether posts are true or false. Facebook then continues to show them more and more of similar content. I believe this is a big reason Duterte got support and ultimately won. For the record I think free Facebook is great, but it really needs to be free internet. In other news, I like that Comelec is investigating whether Imee Marcos funded Duterte (as he said in a speech) and that they didn't declare it. Normally this is grounds for disqualification.
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# ? Oct 26, 2016 03:22 |
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You guys don't know that it's the same gradenko_2000 it could be a different one. Also I apologize for coming across as cynical, but I will eat my delicious hat made of toast and peanut butter if anything sticks to Imee, jr, Imelda, etc. while Duterte is in office. And probably afterward too, unless it's because the Purge suddenly becomes real.
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# ? Oct 26, 2016 03:29 |
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chird posted:I kinda wondered whether those pro-DDS groups and fake news sites like News Trend Ph were run by the Chinese government or at least the Duterte camp funded by Chinese. They seemed to appear from nowhere and the English is poor. The Chinese government's got a pretty solid history of paying for social media posts to change public opinion. In the Philippines, there's the added advantage that a high percentage of users have free access to Facebook but no access to the wider internet. This means they're stuck in their social media echo chamber, unable to do their own research on whether posts are true or false. Facebook then continues to show them more and more of similar content. I believe this is a big reason Duterte got support and ultimately won. I don't know about the Chinese government, but interviews with the Duterte campaign did reveal that they had a sizable cash kitty of about 10 million pesos and a team dedicated to social media affairs. They have plausible deniability as far as supposedly only being a clearinghouse or coordination center for volunteers, and lord knows there's enough assholes out there to fabricate fake news without needing to be paid for it, but I have no doubt that Duterte's social media revolution was astroturfed, at least going up as high as the campaign itself.
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# ? Oct 26, 2016 05:34 |
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/duterte-warns-defence-pact-japan-visit-161025141718165.html So how much aid would the Philippines stand to lose if aid was cut off?
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 09:27 |
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Okay, I just spent the last hour or so typing up this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/59mbk6/question_regarding_bcda_press_release_on/d99psa2/ TL;DR: 1. The Inquirer breaks a story about the involvement of allegedly corrupt Chinese construction firms in Philippine infrastructure projects. 2. Two Duterte-supporting pages post about how Inquirer is wrong because according to a statement from the Philippine authority involved, the deals are just Memoranda of Agreement, and that no contract has been signed yet 3. As far as I can determine, these two pages quoted a statement that had not yet been posted at the time. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. My gut is telling me I'm sounding like a conspiracy theorist, that I'm buying too much into my own hype, that this is "reddit finds Boston Bomber" syndrome, but unless I'm completely misreading how to use these time stamps, this just doesn't make any goddamn sense. Please tell me I'm not nuts.
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 09:55 |
Aren't Memos of Agreement and Memos of Understanding equivalent to saying they plan on signing the contracts as soon as the relevant situation applies and/or ASAP? But for now these are the general details they're agreeing to? I mean, yeah, it's not a contract. But in the contexts I've heard of they're good faith promises to follow through on whatever's agreed to ahead of time. Edit: Is it possible they got paper copies before they were posted online? Also, I shouldn't be pissed off that Duterte blames the US for everything the Philippines suffered under Japanese occupation. But I am. Edit 2: I need to proof before posting. RandomPauI fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 10:12 |
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RandomPauI posted:Aren't MOA;s and Memos of Understanding equivalent to saying they plan on signing the contracts as soon as the relevant situation applies and/or ASAP? But for now these are the general details they're agreeing to? You're correct, but the spin is that technically MOUs aren't legally binding, so technically the Chinese firms are still up for review and technically the Philippine authorities can still back out. Which means technically the Inquirer is wrong when they claimed that the deals were "in the bag"
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 10:17 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. I don't think there's anything there. I would say the BCDA probably first posted it as a note here then deleted it for a typo or something, then created the new note. I got that link from one of the comments here. BCDA later said "FYI. BCDA assures the public that any company deemed banned or unqualified will not be allowed to participate in the Philippine government's bidding process. BCDA will uphold the rule of law, the most rigorous, stringent, transparent procurement rules once in the implementation stage of #bigticket infrastructure projects. The reported WB debarment of Chinese firms do not bar them from conducting an FS at their own expense and at no cost to the Philippine government." You'll let them spend millions on a feasibility study at their own expense but won't allow them to bid on the project in the end? What kind of crazy company would do that (unless they're planning on dredging themselves up a few more islands closer to shore :P) Its sadder in a way that Doots was willing to bend over so much purely for memos. They return from China with a "24 billion investments secured" headline, but in the end it seems he's got nothing but pinky promises to invest. For which, he's drastically set back the Philippines' previously excellent position on the West Philippine Sea issue while burning bridges with America. Worst diplomatic trip ever.
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 13:25 |
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Here's something you might find interesting. TLDR: The Cebu port project given to Mega Harbour Port & CCCC Dredging during his trip in China was already inked by the town mayor, back in September 29th. This was just one day after a long-existing and well-known port proposal in the exact same location, to be financed by Korea, was finally approved by NEDA. The Cebu Port Authority had no idea about the Mega Harbour deal and vow to fight it. Mayor now getting asked wtf. Let's focus on the planned port to be built in Cebu by Mega Harbour Port and possibly the banned CCCC Dredging Company, as announced by Duterte in his list. It's actually a planned second port in Consolacion, Cebu to decongest the existing port. Now, this port has already been in planning by the Cebu Port Authority for years, had various feasibility studies, was approved by various bodies and was just about to go ahead. It's pretty well known tbh: September 17th, 2016 - P9.13B port project will be Cebu’s big one this year quote:"If President Rodrigo Duterte would approve it by the end of the year, work on a big-time infrastructure project in Cebu would start on the later part of next year." Efren Carreon, regional director of the National Economic Development Authority in Central Visayas (Neda-7), was referring to the proposed P9.13 billion Cebu International Port in Barangay Tayud, Consolacion town in northern Cebu. Carreon said that the feasibility study for the project was already approved by Neda’s Investment Coordinating Committee (ICC) technical board last Sept. 1. “The next process will be evaluation and approval by the ICC Cabinet Committee on Sept. 28. Final approval will be by the Neda Board, which is [now] chaired by president Duterte,” he told Cebu Daily News. September 28th - the proposed P9.13-billion port project in Barangay Tayud was approved by the National Economic and Development Authority Investment Coordination Council-Cabinet Committee (Neda ICC-CabComm), according to The Inquirer. Then, but one day later, September 29th 2016, something weird happens. The Mayor of Consolacion, unbeknowst to the Cebu Port Authority, instead enters in a joint venture with one Mega Harbour Port and Development, Inc. for a P16.5-billion port in the very same location. (It's also worth noting that's almost double the Cebu Port Authority's proposal, a figure CPA got from multiple feasibility studies from Korea and Japan.) This throws the CPA for six, as they apparently had no idea about this deal: September 30th, 2016 - CPA to Push Through with its Port Project Despite JV Deal quote:The Consolacion municipal government, headed by Mayor Teresa Alegado, on Thursday September 29th entered into a joint venture (JV) agreement with Mega Harbour Port and Development, Inc. for the construction of a P16.5-billion international container port project in the town. October 3rd, 2016 quote:The Investment Coordination Committee-Cabinet Committee (ICC-Cabcom) approved last Sept. 29 the Cebu Port Authority’s (CPA) project in Tayud, Consolacion. Then Duterte went to China, and came back with the list of infrastructure deals, including the Cebu Mega Harbour Port deal and the banned CCCC Dredging Company. The Cebu Port Authority is smelling something fishy (not unusual in their line of work) October 24th, 2016 - CPA stands by authority over ports amid suspected political maneuvers quote:“We won’t allow them to (push through with the project) because we are already pursuing the same project on the same site,” said CPA General Manager Edmund Tan, adding that the authority is the only agency mandated by law to be in charge of all port developments in the province of Cebu. It was around about now (October 25th) that Gradenko found out that many of the Chinese companies on the list were corrupt and such, and after reporters got a whiff of this, Mayor Teresa Alegado started doing some damage control. October 25th, 2016 quote:THE study for Mega Harbour’s proposed international port project called the “Cebu International and Bulk Terminal” project has been prepared 30 years ago. Consolacion Mayor Teresa Alegado said this as she belied claims that there could have been politics involved in the joint venture agreement between Mega Harbour Port and the town to build the P16-billion port project. October 26, 2016 - Firm to build P16.4-B Consolacion port 'banned' quote:THE firm chosen to build a P16.4-billion international container port in Tayud, Consolacion had partnered with a Chinese firm whose parent company the World Bank (WB) has banned for fraudulent practices. The is no reference to 'Cebu International Container and Bulk Terminal Project' on the internet older than 1 week. It's also very hard to believe the Mayor's office had only heard about the CPA port plan in August - its been pretty big news for years. Please note that for the interest of brevity I've not included every piece of text from all pages, but I haven't intentionally removed anything important or cherrypicked.
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 16:47 |
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That's great work, chird. Do you mind if I repost that? Would you want to be attributed in some fashion?
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 17:56 |
Rap Record Hoarder posted:I'm really surprised there's not more uproar from Filipino-Americans or expats here in the States, this sort of diplomatic row could really gently caress a lot of people over if the State Dept decides to play hardball and embarrass Duerte by showing him how small of a player he actually is. Apparently Duterte said that Fil-Ams opinions don't count as Filipinos because we're now only pure American. http://themaharlikan.info/world/duterte-filipinos-in-america-dont-count-they-are-americans-not-pinoys/
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 20:10 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:That's great work, chird. Do you mind if I repost that? Would you want to be attributed in some fashion? Go ahead, no attribution necessary.
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# ? Oct 27, 2016 23:05 |
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http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/586723/news/nation/duterte-says-god-talked-to-him-on-the-plane-i-promised-to-stop-cussingquote:President Rodrigo Duterte on Thursday said he has made a pledge to God to stop cussing in his speeches.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 05:20 |
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In lesser news, he met with a Philippine beauty queen and said she proves that Filipinas are beautiful, except for those in the Commission on Human Rights, who are all ugly.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 06:13 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/586723/news/nation/duterte-says-god-talked-to-him-on-the-plane-i-promised-to-stop-cussing Truly the mark of a great leader.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 07:24 |
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Whoever applied the Dunning-Kruger effect to this guy nailed it. And I'm thankful to SA for introducing me to this term. In my best Bugs Bunny voice, "What a maroon."
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 07:29 |
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Duterte, on China and Russia: [There are no more communists today.]http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/10/27/16/duterte-communism-is-an-ideology-long-gone posted:President Rodrigo Duterte on Thursday evening said that communists no longer exist in this day and age. The president made a remark during a press conference in Davao City, following his return from an official visit to Japan. Asked about the Philippines' renewed relations with Russia, which was known for its socialist government, Duterte said communism is a thing of the past.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 08:53 |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/asia/philippines-duterte-mayor-police.html?_r=0quote:“If you are not guilty, why should you be afraid?” the mayor, Samsudin Dimaukom, told The New York Times in August. poor guy and his concepts of guilt and innocence under a burgeoning totalitarian dictatorship.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 13:51 |
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Duterte working very hard to not be taken seriously outside of the Philippines. Purges are sure to go over well internationally!
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 14:28 |
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"Antidrug operation" is code for summary execution, right?
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 15:50 |
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Yes.FAUXTON posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/asia/philippines-duterte-mayor-police.html?_r=0 I know I shouldn't have, but I laughed a little.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 16:43 |
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http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/586806/hashtag/introducing-the-hinditama-projectquote:Introducing the #HindiTama project "Hindi Tama" is Filipino for "not right", or "not correct". To be linguistically nitpicky, they could have said "Hindi Totoo", which translates to "not true" http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/586804/hashtag/hinditama-sites-claim-former-president-ramos-tested-positive-for-drugs-died-in-hospital quote:#HindiTama: Sites claim former President Ramos tested positive for drugs, died in hospital The context behind this is that Fidel Ramos used to be an ally of the Duterte campaign and administration, going so far as to be Duterte's special envoy to China. But it seems he's drawn the ire of the pro-Duterte brigade when he made some critical remarks about the President when asked to evaluate the first 100 days of his government. http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/586691/hashtag/hinditama-graphic-compares-supertyphoon-lawin-with-supertyphoon-yolanda quote:#HindiTama: Graphic compares Supertyphoon Lawin with Supertyphoon Yolanda http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/586690/hashtag/hinditama-viral-photo-purports-to-show-relief-operations-for-typhoon-lawin quote:#HindiTama: Viral photo purports to show relief operations for Typhoon Lawin http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/586814/hashtag/hinditama-site-claims-trudeau-gave-fullest-support-to-drug-war quote:#HindiTama: Site claims Trudeau gave 'fullest support' to drug war
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 17:09 |
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FAUXTON posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/asia/philippines-duterte-mayor-police.html?_r=0 This is like some sort of black comedy. By the way, do we have any data on whether Duterte's initial rate of EJKs has been continuing into his presidency? I remember earlier there was a statistic that something like 3,000 had been killed in X weeks, but that was at least a few weeks ago.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 17:37 |
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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/794598/kill-list-drugs-dutertequote:Update 33 This is a very particular dataset though, if it seems like the number is low to you. Related reading: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-data-specialrepor-idUSKCN12O1CB quote:Philippines' President Rodrigo Duterte ended a recent speech in Manila with a now-familiar claim: Two policemen were dying every day in his violent battle to rid the country of illegal drugs. quote:In his inaugural State of the Nation Address on July 25, Duterte declared that there were 3.7 million "drug addicts" in the Philippines. quote:A senior Philippines law enforcement officer said Duterte's "arbitrary" figures had put pressure on police and government officials. quote:Joanne Csete, a specialist in health and human rights at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University in New York, said that the term "current drug users" usually refers to those who have used drugs in the past month. However, the DDB survey counts anyone who has used drugs in the past 13 months, which Csete says could inflate the number of users. quote:"Index" or serious crimes in the Philippines dropped by 31 percent in January to August this year compared with the same period in 2015, according to police statistics presented to a Senate hearing on extrajudicial killings on Oct. 5. quote:Reyes said domestic support for the drug war wouldn't change even if it was widely known that the country had far fewer drug users than Duterte claims. "There is really a perception that we need a hardline approach to the problem," he said.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 17:48 |
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FAUXTON posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/asia/philippines-duterte-mayor-police.html?_r=0 This is like some sort of black comedy. By the way, do we have any data on whether Duterte's initial rate of EJKs has been continuing into his presidency? I remember earlier there was a statistic that something like 3,000 had been killed in X weeks, but that was at least a few weeks ago.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 17:52 |
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God said no to cursing but yes to extrajudicial killings.
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# ? Oct 28, 2016 19:01 |