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Dead Reckoning posted:Comey knew that if it came out that he was continuing anything related to the Clinton investigation without having said anything, it could only make him look bad. Sending the memo to Congress is a really easy call on his part. I think people are questioning the means more than anything. It would be one thing if the statement had been delivered clearly and in detail with all the necessary caveats. Instead, we get a vague, three-paragraph memo at the end of the work day and a similarly short clarification in the middle of the night. If Comey wanted to inform the public, he probably should not have done so in a format that would spur rampant speculation and fear. edit: okay, i understand the impulse but that info should probably have been specified up front
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Dead Reckoning posted:Comey knew that if it came out that he was continuing anything related to the Clinton investigation without having said anything, it could only make him look bad. Sending the memo to Congress is a really easy call on his part. No it isn't because Comey hosed things over from the start by publicly litigating this. Him continuing to publicly litigate this is evidence why the FBI doesn't publicly litigate this poo poo in the first place. His decision to do so is entirely on him. Sending a memo to congress, especially in that format with no explanations whatsoever is just more evidence of Comey tampering.
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Ogmius815 posted:For the record I am still worried about this. Snap polls have Hillary loosing as much as 30% of her support. That's probably very high, but it isn't a good implication. This is impossible.
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What snap polls? Where are there any snap polls? I have heard of literally none and I've been all over the major news sites all day.
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QuoProQuid posted:I think people are questioning the means more than anything. It would be one thing if the statement had been delivered clearly and in detail with all the necessary caveats. Instead, we get a vague, three-paragraph at the end of the work day and a similarly short clarification in the middle of the night.
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Ogmius815 posted:For the record I am still worried about this. Snap polls have Hillary loosing as much as 30% of her support. That's probably very high, but it isn't a good implication. Poll the thread for who pulled support since these "revelations" That's as accurate as a snap poll.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What snap polls? Where are there any snap polls? I have heard of literally none and I've been all over the major news sites all day. Someone posted some fake polls and the people in the thread eager to arzy immediately fell for it.
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Crazy Ted posted:"poo poo I GOTTA LEAK THIS BEFORE ONE OF MY GUYS LEAKS IT" "Oh no how did it leak."
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Someone posted some fake polls and the people in the thread eager to arzy immediately fell for it. Probably the only funny posts all day tbh
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Someone posted some fake polls and the people in the thread eager to arzy immediately fell for it. Some very obviously fake polls because if you're not 100% over this email witch hunt you also aren't planning on voting for clinton.
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The fake polls thing was dumb as hell
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Nessus posted:But if he wanted to throw a bucket of pig poo poo onto Hillary's campaign to try to salvage Republican electoral fortunes, now...! yeah, i really don't think the director of the FBI manipulated an ongoing investigation to help donald j. trump. it's a bad, politically deaf move, but one that doesn't require comey to be a cartoon villain
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Night10194 posted:"Oh no how did it leak."
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straight up brolic posted:The fake polls thing was dumb as hell Agreed, best part of the thread today.
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Hillary didn't lose even 10% of her supporters when she almost collapsed on 911. Chill.
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straight up brolic posted:The fake polls thing was dumb as hell Yeah but the meltdown responses were pretty good
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Crazy Ted posted:The letter was sent to the members of eight congressional committees, and Chaffetz put it on the Tweeter and immediately said that either the investigation was reopened or that a new investigation was starting. Well, since that's the case, the idea of Comey coming out and apologizing is silly. If republican congressional members found out about this after the election it would have been a bigger shitstorm. He decided to cover his rear end but went about it with a terribly composed letter. The best reaction I've heard about this just occurred on CNN -- a reporter said that one of Clinton's aides said that the worst thing that could happen to Clinton was that people would be talking about her right before the election. Running a campaign for the presidency and you don't want people talking about you.
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QuoProQuid posted:yeah, i really don't think the director of the FBI manipulated an ongoing investigation to help donald j. trump.
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https://twitter.com/DevlinBarrett/status/792163146366582788 https://twitter.com/catcharusspy/status/792162824009113600 Even better than duplicate e-mails - an entire duplicate account!
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farraday posted:No it isn't because Comey hosed things over from the start by publicly litigating this. Him continuing to publicly litigate this is evidence why the FBI doesn't publicly litigate this poo poo in the first place. His decision to do so is entirely on him.
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To summarize my expectations on this on Hillary's support (it isn't GOOD, but it's not DOOOOOOM): 1. Your dumbass Trump supporting friends and family who are screaming "LOCK HER UP" were already being loving idiots and voting for Trump. 2. Republicans who didn't like Trump were probably going to lie back and think of Reagan and vote Trump anyways. 3. Independents are probably more likely to say 'EVERYONE'S poo poo' and just not vote. A few may switch to Trump... 4. ... but they're morons. Hillary's e-mails are a well worn story by now, and most independents who support her already knew and are sick to death of the emails. 5. Democrats know that this is a political stunt and are going to do their damndest to spin it that way, which will save a good number of the independents. 6. African-Americans and Hispanics, though, will abandon Hillary in droves because clearly she's an evil witch who will kill them allhahahahahahahahahaha you loving idiots like there's a chance any significant number of minorities switch when Trump has made a campaign off insulting them. At most, probably a 1-2% swing in the polls. Hillary is helped by the fact that 1) her emails are a known issue, and 2) LOTS of people have already voted. Not to mention that Hillary's doing this the best way she can, by basically saying 'release the info, release it now, I've got nothing to hide'. The FBI either needs to release it (and it will be a nothing  ) or hold onto it, which gives Hillary's campaign more time to spin this as an obvious politically motivated move.
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QuoProQuid posted:yeah, i really don't think the director of the FBI manipulated an ongoing investigation to help donald j. trump. I mean, I want to assume our non partisan officials are above this kind of behavior but we are looking at either malice or incompetence and neither is good
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farraday posted:Sending a memo to congress, especially in that format with no explanations whatsoever is just more evidence of Comey tampering. This isn't evidence of poo poo other than you not liking how it played out and Comey trying to cover his rear end:
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Crazy Ted posted:https://twitter.com/DevlinBarrett/status/792163146366582788
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Nessus posted:Why the gently caress wouldn't he? I mean, the last twenty years haven't exactly instilled a profound respect for the dispassionate fairness of the Republican Party and members thereof in me, personally. because people are complicated creatures who are more than just their party affiliation or, alternatively, because any real conspiracy would get discovered real loving quickly and comey would face the possibility of impeachment and potential jail time. no one is going to subvert a u.s. presidential election on a whim.
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QuoProQuid posted:there's scenarios where it has no impact, but i can't envision a reality where this helps clinton. the big three cable news companies are still running with "FBI Reopens Investigation On Clinton," which is not a good look for the campaign. idk what the effect on polling will be, but it will likely not be positive If things snowball into everyone and their mother demanding to know what in the actual gently caress Comey thought he was doing, and the whole thing is framed as a partisan attempt at a hatchet job, it helps Hillary. The fact that the bullshit letter was sent to 8 Republicans, one of whom predictably immediately leaked it doesn't help. Especially now that everyone knows nobody has even read the emails in question that are almost certainly just copies of emails the FBI already looked at.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:This isn't evidence of poo poo other than you not liking how it played out and Comey trying to cover his rear end: I am not sure where you're going with this since that is exactly what I've said the whole way along. Comey tried to cover his rear end and did a lovely job of it; media played into Chaffetz hands and we spent a whole cycle talking about something that's absolutely a non-issue and stupid. I mean I know you're not a poster to be taken with an real seriousness but uh, cowboy you're once again off the reservation.
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straight up brolic posted:If this had happened a month ago it would have killed the entire emails narrative. As is, it's too close to the election to have any positive effect for Hillary. As long as it's not a negative factor now it's fine. Up 5-10 points nationally is a great place to be, Hillary doesn't need any boosts.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As long as it's not a negative factor now it's fine. Up 5-10 points nationally is a great place to be, Hillary doesn't need any boosts. For gently caress's sake Walter Mondale lost by 20 even though he was an extremely experienced statesman because he decided to tell the truth and say that taxes were going to have to be raised.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As long as it's not a negative factor now it's fine. Up 5-10 points nationally is a great place to be, Hillary doesn't need any boosts. Boosts still welcome.
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QuoProQuid posted:because people are complicated creatures who are more than just their party affiliation
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:As long as it's not a negative factor now it's fine. Up 5-10 points nationally is a great place to be, Hillary doesn't need any boosts. 
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I mean, I want to assume our non partisan officials are above this kind of behavior but we are looking at either malice or incompetence and neither is good never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity Crazy Ted posted:https://twitter.com/DevlinBarrett/status/792163146366582788 oh lol if this is true.
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Nessus posted:Why the gently caress wouldn't he? I mean, the last twenty years haven't exactly instilled a profound respect for the dispassionate fairness of the Republican Party and members thereof in me, personally. Well, here we are -- the FBI is rigged! The government is rigged! #TRUMPWASRIGHT #MAGA
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FlamingLiberal posted:It wasn't his place to make claims about Hillary's judgment. Yes it is. That's precisely, unofficially, part of his job as Director of the FBI. The FBI famously once had dirt on almost every single sitting congressmen, senator, and running man for President to the point where J Edgar Hoover would use it to guarantee his position. After he died, the FBI served in a massive witch hunt against Nixon, to the point where he tried to use the CIA against them.
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