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KozmoNaut posted:"As they were originally designed", not "as they were meant to be displayed" Nintendo games were literally designed on graph paper  Super Mario levels were big banners of graph paper pages taped together
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E: ^^^^ So the real proper old-school way to play Mario is on a sideways player piano?  Somewhat tangentially related, here's a blog post by the Shovel Knight developers on the NES limitations they broke* while making the game, for aesthetics or technical reasons, while still keeping it looking like an old-school game. http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DavidDAngelo/20140625/219383/Breaking_the_NES_for_Shovel_Knight.php It also led me to this web demo, showing what you can do with pixel art and palette shifting to create animations, which is really more of an Amiga/early PC thing. http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/?sound=0 For instance, all of the animations in Sim City 2000 were done by palette shifting, even the little animations on the drive-in theaters.  And of course the Windows 9x boot screen, the famous Amiga Boing Ball demo, and tons of 2D adventure games. E: *However, one thing about Shovel Knight that is 100% NES faithful (or more precisely Famicom faithful) is the music, which I think is super neat. KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 10:47 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 10:34
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Elliotw2 posted:I mean, most (Nintendo developed) SNES games do make circles round at the system's internal aspect ratio of 8:7 Wait, are there emulators that don’t take this into account?
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Oct 24, 2016 11:05
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Platystemon posted:Wait, are there emulators that don’t take this into account? All the recent ones, since non-Nintendo games can vary.  
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Oct 24, 2016 11:09
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KozmoNaut posted:For instance, all of the animations in Sim City 2000 were done by palette shifting, even the little animations on the drive-in theaters. If you were the type of nerd that realized that, on a PC, 256 color mode is indexed (uses a palette) and the "high color" and "true color" modes aren't, you soon worked out how the animations in games like SC2K worked when they told you that you had to run them in 256 color mode for the animations to work. I think After Dark had some screen savers that didn't work with the higher color modes too. Oh man I really want to play SC2K now. I'm trying to resist the temptation to search my drive for all my old cities.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:06
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Buttcoin purse posted:If you were the type of nerd that realized that, on a PC, 256 color mode is indexed (uses a palette) and the "high color" and "true color" modes aren't, you soon worked out how the animations in games like SC2K worked when they told you that you had to run them in 256 color mode for the animations to work. I think After Dark had some screen savers that didn't work with the higher color modes too. I'm trying to resist the temptation to buy a 68k Mac so that I can play it just as it looks in that screenshot 
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Oct 24, 2016 12:47
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Weatherman posted:I'm trying to resist the temptation to buy a 68k Mac so that I can play it just as it looks in that screenshot http://basilisk.cebix.net/
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Oct 24, 2016 13:45
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Buttcoin purse posted:Oh man I really want to play SC2K now. I'm trying to resist the temptation to search my drive for all my old cities. SC2K was the last good SC before everything started looking like a Fisher-Price toy and the UI was dumbed down.
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Oct 24, 2016 14:17
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GazChap posted:SC2K was the last good SC before everything started looking like a Fisher-Price toy and the UI was dumbed down. Sim City 4 has much better simulation of transportation (even more so with 3rd party mods), replaces light industrial zoning with agricultural, models things like garbage treatment, etc. I could never run it on any of my machines (goddamn PC games) but I've seen an LP of it and it was pretty impressive. Lots of things I missed in SC2K (which gets really dull and repetitive after a certain point)
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Oct 24, 2016 14:27
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On the other end of the scale, Cities:Skylines lets you build huge cities, looks good, and the simulation is decent (following someone trekking around your public transport system to get home from work is strangely satisfying) - but it's much easier; apart from traffic you'll rarely struggle. It's kind of obvious that newer machines can do way larger and more detailed simulations - and simcity is exactly the kind of game where that can be put to use.
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Oct 24, 2016 14:51
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Cities: Skylines is relaxing as hell, I'm a huge fan of it, and I'm in the camp that says SC2K was the last good one. It feels very natural, I love the road-drawing possibilities, and it really plays the most like SC2K updated for today. Traffic is really the endgame in it though, and it's something I'm still struggling with. I mean look at some of the poo poo people do:   
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Oct 24, 2016 15:12
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Well yeah. I haven't really needed anything at that scale, though I have handbuilt a couple of smaller interchanges from the "plate of noodles"design school. Kind of reminds me of OpenTTD.  (Speaking of, the one-way train track mod is very useful.)
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Computer viking posted:Well yeah. I haven't really needed anything at that scale, though I have handbuilt a couple of smaller interchanges from the "plate of noodles"design school. Kind of reminds me of OpenTTD. Yeah as yet I've never needed to do more than make a 2nd connection to the highway you start connected with, but drat is it in-depth, and I'm not always sure what the best thing to do is. Like the single-lane offramps you can build are great, but then they get clogged, and if you upgrade them to regular roads it's a nightmare. There's no 4-lane 1-way, so you have to go to a 6-lane 1-way, and that automatically builds a traffic light at the offramp intersection and  The whole "trucks going to industrial zones will totally gently caress up your traffic patterns if they pass through residential at all" thing is tough to get the hang of as far as planning goes, too.Honestly I think the interchange/highway system is the toughest thing for me to understand, at least in the city itself I usually manage to get the traffic under control (and I'm at least learning from my mistakes, although roundabouts are still a bit tricky to me).
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Oct 24, 2016 16:07
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Kelp Me! posted:Cities: Skylines is relaxing as hell, I'm a huge fan of it, and I'm in the camp that says SC2K was the last good one. It feels very natural, I love the road-drawing possibilities, and it really plays the most like SC2K updated for today. I'd bet money every one of those interchanges exists somewhere in Britain.
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Oct 24, 2016 16:09
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Kelp Me! posted:Cities: Skylines is relaxing as hell, I'm a huge fan of it, and I'm in the camp that says SC2K was the last good one. It feels very natural, I love the road-drawing possibilities, and it really plays the most like SC2K updated for today. That looks awful from a "city I'd want to live in perspective". Hey John where do you live? Oh next to the highway. No like in between them.
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Oct 24, 2016 16:12
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Six bucks on GOG.com, and well worth it. I bought a copy for the netbook (speaking of obsolete outdated stuff) that I take to remote sites for work. Kelp Me! posted:Cities: Skylines is relaxing as hell, I'm a huge fan of it, and I'm in the camp that says SC2K was the last good one. It feels very natural, I love the road-drawing possibilities, and it really plays the most like SC2K updated for today. Goddrat I love me some Skylines. Wanna build a quiet rural community with dirt roads? Go for it. Logging town? You got it. Sprawling metropolis? Sure, dude. I love that there's no penalty for just doing what you want. I'm terrible at routing traffic, but love the everliving poo poo out of the game otherwise. There are mods that help with the traffic, as well as user-designed interchanges and such. Some of them come pretty close to nightmares of geometry, but your digital denizens don't seem to mind elevated banked 90-degree turns, so if it works, it works, I guess.
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Kelp Me! posted:Cities: Skylines is relaxing as hell, I'm a huge fan of it, and I'm in the camp that says SC2K was the last good one. It feels very natural, I love the road-drawing possibilities, and it really plays the most like SC2K updated for today. Wow, incredible, that looks way more fun than playing with Solid Snake or Bayonetta, for sure.
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Oct 24, 2016 16:27
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FedEx Mercury posted:Wow, incredible, that looks way more fun than playing with Solid Snake or Bayonetta, for sure. Ok?  Boiled Water posted:That looks awful from a "city I'd want to live in perspective". I thought that too until I started looking at aerial shots of some of the interchange systems around here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9227713,-74.0778554,718m/data=!3m1!1e3):   e: The NJ side of the George Washington Bridge (also right by me) makes me dizzy (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8561787,-73.9660658,1196m/data=!3m1!1e3) 
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Oct 24, 2016 16:57
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Weatherman posted:I'm trying to resist the temptation to buy a 68k Mac so that I can play it just as it looks in that screenshot I have a IIfx with 128MB RAM, Radius Rocket, Racal InterLan 10, and a pair of SuperMac 2MB video cards sitting on my workbench right now 
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Oct 24, 2016 17:33
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Six bucks on GOG.com, and well worth it. I bought a copy for the netbook (speaking of obsolete outdated stuff) that I take to remote sites for work. I have it installed in windows 10 from my old disks, it mostly works with some community patches. Mostly as in palette cycling doesn't work right  I need to get Cities: Skylines at some point...
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Some of them come pretty close to nightmares of geometry, but your digital denizens don't seem to mind elevated banked 90-degree turns, so if it works, it works, I guess. Weirdly enough, apparently they kind of do! quote:One goal of the game was to successfully simulate a city with up to 1 million residents. To help achieve this goal, the creators decided to simulate citizens navigating the city's roads and transit systems, to make the effects of road design and transit congestion a factor in city design. They developed a complex system that would determine the fastest route available for a simulated person going to and from work or other points of interest, taking into account available roads and public transit systems nearby. This simulated person would not swerve from their predetermined path unless the route was changed mid-transit, in which case the person would be teleported back to their origin point instead of calculating a new path from their current location. This was done to avoid cascading traffic problems if the player adjusted the road system in real time. The city's user-designed transportation system creates a node-based graph used to determine these fastest paths and identifies intersections for these nodes. The system then simulates the movement of these individuals on the roads and transit systems, accounting for other traffic on the road and basic physics (such as speed along slopes and the need for vehicles to slow down on tight curves), in order to accurately model traffic jams created by the layout and geography of the system.
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Keiya posted:I have it installed in windows 10 from my old disks, it mostly works with some community patches. Mostly as in palette cycling doesn't work right *with smugness burning brighter than a supernova* Huh. Works just fine for me... *adjusts glasses in a somehow even more smug manner* ...I'm still running Windows 7. Kelp Me! posted:Weirdly enough, apparently they kind of do! I'd read a bit about how the traffic patterns were handled and was blown away by the amount of forethought that went into traffic in the game. It's super neat. GOTTA STAY FAI has a new favorite as of 18:39 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Platystemon posted:ITT: Nintendo made every videogame of the twentieth century. Only the ones worth playing
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Improbable Lobster posted:Only the ones worth playing Platinum games: Nintendo games = Filet mignon:chili grade ground beef
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I have a IIfx with 128MB RAM, Radius Rocket, Racal InterLan 10, and a pair of SuperMac 2MB video cards sitting on my workbench right now Is it wicked fast?
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Oct 26, 2016 15:01
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When I bought it new, yes. Yes it was.
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Speaking of older, obsolete stuff...meet the Inspiron 8100 I found in my work's recycling pile https://imgur.com/Aia5ijZ Mobile P3 1Ghz, 256MB RAM, 40GB hard drive, 16MB GeForce2 Go, sounds like a small ramjet when it starts up https://imgur.com/hR9oxrH Ye olde Windowes Nineteen Hundred Ninety Eight, Edition the Second, Esquire https://imgur.com/32X92IA IT'S AALLLIIIVVEEEEE  I lucked out because I've been going through old junk in my place and found a spare, old school IDE drive. The 30GB drive originally in this little beast gave up the ghost before I could get anything installed, i could hear the clicking from another room. I slapped in another 40GB drive I had that was thankfully still working, that other drive was pretty toasty when I pulled it. Gonna turn this beast into an old school 98SE game box for all the old games I loved playing back then. E: not sure what's up with Imgur, links work though BOOTY-ADE has a new favorite as of 06:09 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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Oct 29, 2016 04:30
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Oct 29, 2016 04:33
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Kelp Me! posted:your images are mad broken, bro Works fine browsing from my lynx browser :P Fake Edit: I'm to hungover to remember the TV based internet client that will get you banned from here if you browse with it.
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Oct 29, 2016 04:57
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Humphreys posted:Works fine browsing from my lynx browser :P Web TV, the Microsoft/MSN abomination.
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Some of the Podesta emails involved sometime with a WebTV email address, so I guess it's still around, or at least the email servers are.
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BOOTY-ADE posted:E: not sure what's up with Imgur, links work though code:code:
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Oct 29, 2016 07:32
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Doesn't surprise me, quite a few professionals pay  a month to keep their ancient email address active, since they have a lot of contacts who they don't communicate with that often.
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Oct 29, 2016 07:36
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Konstantin posted:Doesn't surprise me, quite a few professionals pay bobama@ameritech.net
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Oct 29, 2016 07:42
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Clients that give me a @hotmail account as a business address surprises me every other day.
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Humphreys posted:Clients that give me a @hotmail account as a business address surprises me every other day. My dad is still using his AOL account he created almost 20 years ago
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Yeah I sell product mostly to other small businesses, and for every OWNERNAME@BUSINESSNAME.COM, I see a BUSINESSNAME1988.MAIL@HOTMAIL.COM. Or the occasional BADASSROCKER@GMAIL.COM or some such.
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