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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Coohoolin posted:Well here's something potentially more interesting. My gut instinct is to not like this move, but I'm not sufficiently trained in economics to definitively say why it's wrong. It feels a lot like PFI, though, they're selling debt further down the line.
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Oct 27, 2016 00:48
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On the topic of minimum pricing I was reminded that this ridiculous advert exists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kmh4BbJPz8
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Oct 27, 2016 00:51
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This is a waste of money. Scottish diplomatic mission will go as well as one would expect. No doubt a waste of time. Scottish Government shall publish Brexit negotiation to keep Scotland within the European union expected to be before the end of 2017 Scottish NHS is failing to meet the targets...not that it's a surprise. The Times has an article about EU diplomats praising Scotland as ‘haven’ in wake of Brexit. But The Times needs a subscription to get to the full thing. So here are a couple of images of said article.  
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Oct 27, 2016 12:40
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How close are ye scots towards gettin a second referendun date? Anything interesting happen this October? (Representing as an 8th Generation Scots-Irish American)
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Oct 29, 2016 00:31
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if you were of real 1/2^8 scottish blood you'd already know all the news through your spiritual link to your homeland, get out foreign scum  but not much has happened, apart from the First Minister making some threatening noises and the Prime Minister predictably not looking too keen to walk away from Full Tory Hard Brexit Madness on account of some Scots who didn't give her many MPs to begin with. I figure things are just going to quietly simmer for a while until Article 50 gets activated and the shitshow of EU negotiations begins.
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Oct 29, 2016 00:40
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I don't think May will be in a hurry to allow a second referendum.
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Oct 29, 2016 09:26
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Angepain posted:if you were of real 1/2^8 scottish blood you'd already know all the news through your spiritual link to your homeland, get out foreign scum Please do not be disparaging of our Caledonian Uprooted Now Transatlantic brethren. They know no better.
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Oct 29, 2016 10:17
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think May will be in a hurry to allow a second referendum. There are a fair few reasons why not allowing one would be an incredibly dumb thing for her to do.
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Oct 29, 2016 15:16
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IceAgeComing posted:There are a fair few reasons why not allowing one would be an incredibly dumb thing for her to do. What are those ?
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Oct 29, 2016 15:27
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IceAgeComing posted:There are a fair few reasons why not allowing one would be an incredibly dumb thing for her to do. This would be Theresa May, noted non-doer of incredibly dumb things?
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Oct 29, 2016 16:25
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Angepain posted:if you were of real 1/2^8 scottish blood you'd already know all the news through your spiritual link to your homeland, get out foreign scum I'm trying to show solidarity to my long-forgotten ancient homeland, and you have the audacity spit on my good intentions? What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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Oct 29, 2016 17:22
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Grouchio posted:Oh sorry I didn't know that some 'TRUE' Scotsmen were apparently ultra-nationalist pricks! I really really hope you're serious.
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Oct 29, 2016 17:26
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Grouchio posted:Oh sorry I didn't know that some 'TRUE' Scotsmen were apparently ultra-nationalist pricks! While it's true that Scotland does have a nationalist problem, I think he was joking. IceAgeComing posted:There are a fair few reasons why not allowing one would be an incredibly dumb thing for her to do. Let's hear them 
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Oct 29, 2016 17:24
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Coohoolin posted:I really really hope you're serious.
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Oct 29, 2016 17:26
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Of course I was joking. The spiritual plane of true scottish blood is mostly filled with talk about football scores and arguments about chip toppings, it's a terrible place for news
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Oct 29, 2016 20:46
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Some very welcome news on steps towards a sensible approach to drugs: 'Fix rooms' plan for Glasgow drug addicts set for green light. This is driven by Glasgow council, NHS greater Glasgow and Clyde and the police, rather than central government, so has nothing to do with the SNP - but to be fair I suspect that a similar project in, say, london, would've been attacked fiercely by May et al.
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Oct 31, 2016 09:16
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I dunno. This is really bad. Now, I know it's The National and so obviously will be embarrassing, but they've come up with this monstrosity. Yes, a really ugly cover for your passport that will let you pretend Scotland is a real cover. Jesus.
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Oct 31, 2016 10:47
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forkboy84 posted:I dunno. This is really bad. Now, I know it's The National and so obviously will be embarrassing, but they've come up with this monstrosity. Yes, a really ugly cover for your passport that will let you pretend Scotland is a real cover. Jesus. This is some pretty tribalist poo poo, but none more than we've come to know and expect from the national.
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Oct 31, 2016 11:24
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Sion posted:This is some pretty tribalist poo poo, but none more than we've come to know and expect from the national. I dunno, this seems like they're branching out with this, trying to be as cringingly poo poo in as many different ways as possible. It's not just the fact that they're selling such sub Royal Mile gift shop tacky crap that's irritating, but the way they write about said pointless tat so triumphantly, as if they're doing us all a favour by bestowing it upon the world at the low low price of way too much
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Oct 31, 2016 11:57
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jre posted:What are those ? It wouldn't end the debate; if anything it'd make the debate more angry and then you might have a Catalan type situation on your hands. The Scottish government would run something that vaguely resembles a referendum anyway which independence would win since a fair chunk of no voters wouldn't vote in a non-binding vote and then things just never get defused. Add in that attitude in Brussels in that situation would be broadly favourable to Scotland right in the middle of the Brexit negotiations plus also the fact that a second referendum was in the SNP manifesto in the last Scottish election in which they almost got another majority, and I'd say that you have a fair few good reasons to not oppose a second independence referendum.
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Oct 31, 2016 13:12
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The last referendum hardly 'ended debate' either. What's the point in another one? Nationalists would be demanding a third the next day. 'Almost got a majority' is hardly a ringing endorsement for a manifesto commitment.
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Oct 31, 2016 13:18
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Sion posted:This is some pretty tribalist poo poo, but none more than we've come to know and expect from the national. I dunno. It feels like a step up from their usual cringeworthy drivel. When The National launched, I really did think it'd be a positive thing to have a pro-indy paper just because the balance in the press failed totally to represent almost half the population. But they totally half-arsed it and we got the biggest pile of drivel that may as well just be the party paper of the SNP because it's so unwilling to hold them to account from a pro-indy perspective. Do we know what it's circulation is?
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Oct 31, 2016 13:18
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About 15,000 last time I heard.
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Oct 31, 2016 13:21
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Christ, is that all? About half of what the Evening Times manages despite that only being sold in Glasgow. I'd have thought they'd at least match the Sunday Herald, or get near it's 50,000.
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Oct 31, 2016 13:26
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Pissflaps posted:About 15,000 last time I heard. Best I can tell that's as of January 2015; Wings Over Scotland (I know, I know) has it at 12,100 in February 2016: quote:DAILIES Some of these figures definitely surprised me. The Sunday Herald being significantly down on the daily is strange, and I would've thought the FT would be doing better, what with the finance sectors in Edinburgh and Glasgow. I know print is struggling and the Grauniad has plenty of unique issues, but its really quite pitiful presence was still a shock Niric fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Oct 31, 2016 14:00
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Niric posted:Best I can tell that's as of January 2015; Wings Over Scotland (I know, I know) has it at 12,100 in February 2016: The Graun's Scottish coverage is next to zero, it's little wonder they do so poorly up here.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:34
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I think it's just the price of the newspapers combined with people just moving to the digital format because it's cheaper and more convenient. EDIT: Legalize All the Drugs So my knowledge of dugs here is limited. Is the Scottish Parliament capable of legalizing drugs or is it only capable of decriminalizing or neither? Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Oct 31, 2016 17:03
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Extreme0 posted:So my knowledge of dugs here is limited. Is the Scottish Parliament capable of legalizing drugs or is it only capable of decriminalizing or neither? In theory I believe the Parliament would be capable of full legalisation, since law and justice are devolved, but in practice I suspect things are a lot trickier, and not just because of the political will required. I don't know if the situation has arisen before where a Scottish law flat out breaks or contradicts a UK law, or what the legal and political situation would be (I realise Scots law is different, but would holyrood be capable of, to pick an extreme example, legalising murder?). There's some interesting Scottish lawyer bloggers floating about that come up here periodically, and they may have written on this. The Scotland Act 2012 made some amendments to the misuse of drugs act 1972, which seems directly pertinent, but that list of amendments requires more cross referencing than is feasible on a phone on the way home, so maybe some kind soul can have a crack at parsing it
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Oct 31, 2016 17:59
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I'd imagine human rights law would prevent them from legalising murder.
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Oct 31, 2016 18:09
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cargohills posted:I'd imagine human rights law would prevent them from legalising murder. Yes, but whose human rights laws? European, presumably - which potentially gets into the thorny question of what brexit means - but establishing which body has ultimate or at least effective legal authority is precisely the issue (although, fortunately for our purposes, I don't think drugs law has a brexit angle)
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Oct 31, 2016 18:23
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European human rights law isn't connected to the EU and won't automatically be effected by Brexit. As it is the Scottish Parliament is bound by law to respect the ECHR and to follow the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights.
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Oct 31, 2016 18:37
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Pissflaps posted:The last referendum hardly 'ended debate' either. What's the point in another one? Nationalists would be demanding a third the next day. The last referendum did end any serious support, and the Nats would've struggled to have a new referendum on anyone's agenda for a generation. Then the Brexit happened. The worse the UK's post-Brexit situation looks, and the more inevitable a hard, full-chaos Brexit becomes, the greater the support for independence. EU officials are well placed to fan the flames and say nice, supportive (but non-binding) things to Scotland to increase the panic and division on the UK side and prevent us making a decent show of negotiations. The Nats will build support anywhere they can because that's their stock-and-trade. Theresa May will ignore and sideline the issue as much as possible, which also won't help much as frustration over being ignored and sidelined will blend smoothly with Brexit anxiety to really get the fire going. I don't know if a renewed referendum is actually on the cards, but there are a LOT more people who stand to gain by playing it up, both here in Scotland and on the continent. Perhaps the smartest thing May could do is call a snap referendum next week, whilst we're still only 20% or so into Brexit meltdown, and hope for the best.
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Nov 1, 2016 13:01
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That's the thing though: support for independence has hardly changed, despite the Brexit vote. I also don't think the EU as a whole will be so Machiavellian on the subject in order to affect the Brexit negotiations. Like you said, it's just a couple of people saying nice non-committal things.
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Nov 1, 2016 13:09
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Pissflaps posted:I also don't think the EU as a whole will be so Machiavellian on the subject in order to affect the Brexit negotiations. Sure thing, there's no way that politicians would stoop so low to further their own and their countries' interests, nope, none at all. And I say this as an independence voter, so while it would further what I would like to happen, I'm not naive enough to think it'd be done in our interest.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:05
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It's precisely because it's not in their interests that I don't think they do it. The EU isn't going to give Scotland independence.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:07
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It does make the UK as a whole more divided in the negotiations, which is in their interests. And it also is a giant green flag to the rest of the countries who have people crowing for their own referendums regarding the EU that the EU is such a good thing that a country would divide so that part of it could stay in after the rest voted to leave.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:12
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The country is split almost 50/50 on the issue - it's not Scotland uniquely that is a divisive factor.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:19
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While very true, any further wedge or destabilization couldn't hurt.
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Nov 1, 2016 19:07
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I think you'd have to wait till Article 50 is activated and everything does or doesn't go to poo poo. That's when you will or will not get any possible swings.
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Nov 1, 2016 22:07
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Yeah, nothing will happen other than Sabre rattling and political posturing until the trigger is finally pulled and deals start getting made in earnest
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