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IMJack posted:I dunno, "intellectual" characters that do the overly wordy "if my calculations are correct" spiel when solving a problem have always annoyed me. At least V has the sense to keep things concise when in immediate danger. Except V does does deductive logic, just verbalized. Whereas that obnoxious trope seems to center on "using the magic of math I come to (conclusion)" C3PO spewing out a bullshit odds of getting through an asteroid field is qualitatively different than v trying to explain why a caster is probably nearby out loud. V is just a bit of a sperg.
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The ridiculousness of high level adventures vs real world physics coming into play again. I'm sure she'll walk off that whack with the axe bigger than her entire body just like Roy did the triceratops goring, but...seriously, ouch.
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Zoe posted:The ridiculousness of high level adventures vs real world physics coming into play again. I'm sure she'll walk off that whack with the axe bigger than her entire body just like Roy did the triceratops goring, but...seriously, ouch. Sometimes it really does work in the narrative's favour, like with Elan's dad going "You'll live" and then impaling Elan.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Sometimes it really does work in the narrative's favour, like with Elan's dad going "You'll live" and then impaling Elan. Then Elan throwing that back at him when he let him fall off the airship.
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Oct 26, 2016 03:51
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Giants referring to normal-size humans as "littlings", I like that. Is that something Rich came up with?
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Parahexavoctal posted:Giants referring to normal-size humans as "littlings", I like that. Is that something Rich came up with? "Normal" size "humans"? Check your privilege! - B & V
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Parahexavoctal posted:Giants referring to normal-size humans as "littlings", I like that. Is that something Rich came up with? Appears so. D&D Giants from what I know tend to call humanoids and the like Small Folk.
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Blackwing continues to say what we're all thinking.
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Yup, that airship mutiny coming any day now. Starting to think this is when it'll finally come to a head, maybe some argument or fight will get the ship wrecked or they'll dump the heroes and turn back. At the very least if they all get through the pass maybe this'll be the incident that precipitates the airship parting ways with the heroes, or else we'll just have to go through even more inter-crew drama later.
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Someone said it earlier, but it feels like the crew needs either more character development, or less. A mutiny out of nowhere because the party still hasn't learned their lesson about ignoring NPCs seems fitting, and if not that, this group needs more to make me actually care about them or feel like valuable panel space isn't being wasted whenever they're arguing with each other without a party member present. It's weird because he seems like he's trying so hard to give them personalities, but even the Azurites with bit parts felt less intrusive. Though it may just be that there's more a sense of urgency now and I just have less patience for uppity NPCs thinking they're real people.
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Well having them get in the way of the main characters to teach them a lesson certainly isn't going to engender any empathy for them to the readers. Not really bothering me though. I'm assuming they aren't going to mutiny in the middle of a combat situation because that would be pretty dumb.
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Unless whoever's making the frost giants do this thing suddenly pops in to say "hi, here's a shitton of money to do pirate things". Anyways, what's the prevailing theory on who's got them doing this? Nokrud? An especially savvy Redcloak? Tarkin still not realizing the story isn't about him? The evil trio whose names escape me? It's probably a bit late in the game for a new major antagonist, but who knows.
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Poison Mushroom posted:Unless whoever's making the frost giants do this thing suddenly pops in to say "hi, here's a shitton of money to do pirate things". Anyways, what's the prevailing theory on who's got them doing this? It's quite obviously their god who is an ally of Hel.
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Zoe posted:Someone said it earlier, but it feels like the crew needs either more character development, or less. A mutiny out of nowhere because the party still hasn't learned their lesson about ignoring NPCs seems fitting, and if not that, this group needs more to make me actually care about them or feel like valuable panel space isn't being wasted whenever they're arguing with each other without a party member present. I love Order of the Stick and have read it for years enjoying nearly every single strip in that time, but it has a major problem with tons and tons of ideas interrupting the main story. I can only imagine Rich barely restrained himself in not going through with Kubuto's trial.
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In that, he's at least true to the central conceit.
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I think it reads fine when going back over it later. It just drags in "infrequent update" format.
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Colonel Cool posted:I think it reads fine when going back over it later. It just drags in "infrequent update" format. Yeah, that's true, but that's how it's presented and it can get painful. Now, as I said, I love OotS just fine, but it still counts as a flaw when the author isn't taking the fact that it has such glacial pace into account when plotting these constant diversions.
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WickedHate posted:Yeah, that's true, but that's how it's presented and it can get painful. Now, as I said, I love OotS just fine, but it still counts as a flaw when the author isn't taking the fact that it has such glacial pace into account when plotting these constant diversions. Except its been clear for years that he paces for the books, since that's where the money is for him.
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jng2058 posted:Except its been clear for years that he paces for the books, since that's where the money is for him. The fact that they make for good chopped up segments doesn't change that this story has an abnormal number of "side quests".
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WickedHate posted:The fact that they make for good chopped up segments doesn't change that this story has an abnormal number of "side quests". what do you think a story is
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It's a valid metaphor since OotS is rooted in being a Dungeons & Dragons parody, and the distractions would be even crazier if it wasn't.
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I for one am going to be sad when this baby is over so bring on the side-quests!
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WickedHate posted:It's a valid metaphor since OotS is rooted in being a Dungeons & Dragons parody, and the distractions would be even crazier if it wasn't. lol wtf
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WickedHate posted:Yeah, that's true, but that's how it's presented and it can get painful. Now, as I said, I love OotS just fine, but it still counts as a flaw when the author isn't taking the fact that it has such glacial pace into account when plotting these constant diversions. I'm with you -- I enjoyed the story the most when I stopped reading it (somewhere in Azure City?) and came back a couple years later and got to read several hundred strips straight through. I honestly do not like the weekly comic strip format for anything more involved than Peanuts and Garfield, because I just find it really hard to maintain interest when I only get to read a page every week or so. I stopped reading comic books for the most part because of that, and I only pick those up when there's a complete story to read all at once. A couple years ago, I asked the thread if there were any other stories that had been presented to the public in these bite-sized once-a-week updates, and was really shocked to hear you guys tell me... was it Charles Dickens' stories that had been released like that? Apparently it wasn't uncommon back then to just release a chapter of a book every few weeks, which makes it absolutely baffling to me how those stories got such widespread appeal.
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Yeah, don't quote me on this, but I think serial publishing was more or less the norm in those days. And I even dimly recall a story about a crowd of people gathering at the place where they offloaded the latest installment of some Charles Dickens novel and begging the workers to tell them whether a certain character survived the cliffhanger. I'm absolutely sure more than one Victorian ruffian got knifed outside a pub in those days for violating spoiler policies.
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Phenotype posted:I'm with you -- I enjoyed the story the most when I stopped reading it (somewhere in Azure City?) and came back a couple years later and got to read several hundred strips straight through. I honestly do not like the weekly comic strip format for anything more involved than Peanuts and Garfield, because I just find it really hard to maintain interest when I only get to read a page every week or so. I stopped reading comic books for the most part because of that, and I only pick those up when there's a complete story to read all at once. Also why everything Dumas wrote is ridiculously long. The abridged version of the count of monte Cristo is still like 500 pages.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Yeah, don't quote me on this, but I think serial publishing was more or less the norm in those days. And I even dimly recall a story about a crowd of people gathering at the place where they offloaded the latest installment of some Charles Dickens novel and begging the workers to tell them whether a certain character survived the cliffhanger. I'm absolutely sure more than one Victorian ruffian got knifed outside a pub in those days for violating spoiler policies. Yeah, most stories were. Sherlock Holmes, Dickens, tons of stuff.
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Yeah, serialisation has always had huge appeal for as long as mass media consumption has been a thing. And, as mentioned, the whole reason most novels from that era are so long is because they were written as serials where the authors were spinning the plot out as they went and often had to quickly write up another chapter to make rent that month.
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Like, people think of Dickens (like they do many older writers) as this sort of immutable master of the classics, but a lot of his books are quite uneven because of precisely this fact. He'll want to make a sudden twist or change in the story, or that month he'll be more interested in writing about X than Y, or he'll feel the need to spin out an extra chapter to secure his income while he thinks of an ending, and none of this can be smoothed over by a unified editing pass after the fact. It was all serialised, so it all went out exactly as he wrote it on a month by month basis.
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Yeah. This post:Poison Mushroom posted:Unless whoever's making the frost giants do this thing suddenly pops in to say "hi, here's a shitton of money to do pirate things". Anyways, what's the prevailing theory on who's got them doing this? Was hilarious because I was asking myself the same thing. I was on vacation last week and read from the start of the desert arc through the end, and it's actually perfectly clear when you read it in one go. The mountain giant god votes for destruction, so they're trying to stop the OOTS. But because the voting comics were published like two years ago, you completely forget about that. So it goes.
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The giants literally just in the second to last strip that their god commands them to do it. and even if you don't remember the name of every god from two years ago, I think it has been pretty obvious that the giants were sent by a god to stop the Order from interfering with the voting.
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builds character posted:Also why everything Dumas wrote is ridiculously long. The abridged version of the count of monte Cristo is still like 500 pages.
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Phenotype posted:A couple years ago, I asked the thread if there were any other stories that had been presented to the public in these bite-sized once-a-week updates, and was really shocked to hear you guys tell me... was it Charles Dickens' stories that had been released like that? Apparently it wasn't uncommon back then to just release a chapter of a book every few weeks, which makes it absolutely baffling to me how those stories got such widespread appeal. A new installment would come out, <i>everybody</i> would read it and discuss it with their friends. It's no weirder than people waiting for new episodes of a favorite TV show. I'd imagine it may have also had something to do with people back then having less distractions and longer attention spans. Zoe fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Phenotype posted:I'm with you -- I enjoyed the story the most when I stopped reading it (somewhere in Azure City?) and came back a couple years later and got to read several hundred strips straight through. I honestly do not like the weekly comic strip format for anything more involved than Peanuts and Garfield, because I just find it really hard to maintain interest when I only get to read a page every week or so. I stopped reading comic books for the most part because of that, and I only pick those up when there's a complete story to read all at once. dostoevsky did this as well
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builds character posted:Also why everything Dumas wrote is ridiculously long. The abridged version of the count of monte Cristo is still like 500 pages.
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The periodical published serial was a huge, huge deal for a long time, and arguably has had a much greater influence on literature than the novel. For example, Alexandre Dumas's works were serials.
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I'm curious, are there any of the OMG SUBQUESTS JUST GET ONNNN WITH IT RICH that people think don't stand up on subsequent reading?
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