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a bone to pick posted:This describes Rey's character perfectly, hence why she's a Mary Sue. Or a "Ma-Rey" Sue, if you prefer. If she turns out to be a bastard kid of Han's she can be a "Ma-Rey Sue-lo". That's the real reason Han and Leia broke up, Han's cheated on her.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:she learns fast and is good at stuff but it can be explained because of poo poo in the movie and context clues and poo poo. She knew how to do jedi mind tricks when a minute earlier she didn't know the jedi were real. Yep she "learns fast."
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Oct 29, 2016 19:18
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
Like Neil Breen or Geteven
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Oct 29, 2016 19:27
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The Archaic posted:Like Neil Breen or Geteven The difference is that Neil Breen is perfect 
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Oct 29, 2016 19:28
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So who is the author or writer that sees Rey as a self-insert or wish fulfillment?
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Oct 29, 2016 19:55
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KakerMix posted:So who is the author or writer that sees Rey as a self-insert or wish fulfillment? Lawrence Kasdan. He's a trans-20-something-British-woman irl.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:00
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KakerMix posted:So who is the author or writer that sees Rey as a self-insert or wish fulfillment? She's literally just Luke Skywalker but a girl instead of a boy, they're both Mary Sues but Luke was the self-insert originally.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:21
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I'd insert self in Rey, if you know what I mean. I mean I can empathise with the character very well.
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Jedi are pretty much going into Mary Sue territory in general anyway. Oh they are cool swordfighters and they can move things with their mind and they can do mild mind control and also they are all apparently badass pilots too and space cops while simultaneously being important members of a mysterious organization that's lasted for centuries and oh also they can never love so they are always conflicted blah blah it's the same poo poo. It's just part of the setting. Then you got fuckin Kyle Katarn making em all look like idiots while simultaneously having even more skills and yet being more likable.
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Light Gun Man posted:Jedi are pretty much going into Mary Sue territory in general anyway. Oh they are cool swordfighters and they can move things with their mind and they can do mild mind control and also they are all apparently badass pilots too and space cops while simultaneously being important members of a mysterious organization that's lasted for centuries and oh also they can never love so they are always conflicted blah blah it's the same poo poo. It's just part of the setting. One thing to consider though is that when the series began it seems like somebody was around to say "hey people don't just learn stuff without someone at least telling them a bit about it" and now that the series is very popular and makes a lot of money it seems somehow they can't afford to keep paying that person. a shame.
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Maybe episode 2 will have Rey hooked up to an ancient Jedi teaching machine, she'll wake up and say "I know
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Oct 29, 2016 21:35
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she just had high levels of midichlorians in her blood, that's all
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Light Gun Man posted:Then you got fuckin Kyle Katarn making em all look like idiots while simultaneously having even more skills and yet being more likable. what the heck is a kyle katarm
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Trunko posted:what the heck is a kyle katarm He's the dude from most of the good Star Wars video games.
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Oct 29, 2016 22:15
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remember that disney mandated that anything that didn't happen in the movies i sn ot canon. to facilitate proper discourse itt, please do not refer to the extended universe or vidja in the future
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Oct 29, 2016 22:18
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DoctorStrangelove posted:He's the dude from most of the good Star Wars video games. But Kreia was female
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LordArgh posted:remember that disney mandated that anything that didn't happen in the movies i sn ot canon. to facilitate proper discourse itt, please do not refer to the extended universe or vidja in the future No, canon includes all the new Marvel Star Wars comics, all of the novels published after a certain date, and that CGI cartoon show
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monster on a stick posted:Maybe episode 2 will have Rey hooked up to an ancient Jedi teaching machine, she'll wake up and say "I know nah episode 2 will have jedis hacking into the AT-walkers thingies and repel waves after waves of tie fighters.
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I liked it when Jedi were just really wise and had a bit of magic to help them but mostly just got stuff done like a normal person. Obiwan was in the first movie was perfect. Vader was just an imposing guy that could sometimes force-choke people and being able to do that was a crazy power. At the height of Luke's powers he was good with a light saber but still had to be quite careful in fights, there still felt like there were stakes, that a random dude with a blaster could still get the better of him and he still needed to be quite wary about being outnumbered or cornered. Jedi powers were a nice extra to have on top of all your training. Then they just became unstoppable anime characters that could casually take on an army solo and now they don't even need any training, they're just x-men. Movies just have to keep ramping everything up, I wish they'd realize that in so many cases less is more and when your main character feels like an invincible super hero it makes every fight scene boring as gently caress. I'll take ben and vader's chill light saber duel over people flipping and jumping like a cheesy chinese kung fu movie any day. This is also why The Hobbit was total poo poo.
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What about that one video game where a super badass dark Jedi just loving RIPPPPPS a star destroyer through the atmosphere and makes it crash into a planet? gently caress that's so badass, gently caress!!!!
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from now on a mary sue is a person who uses the term mary sue to critique movies
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Baronjutter posted:I liked it when Jedi were just really wise and had a bit of magic to help them but mostly just got stuff done like a normal person. Obiwan was in the first movie was perfect. Vader was just an imposing guy that could sometimes force-choke people and being able to do that was a crazy power. At the height of Luke's powers he was good with a light saber but still had to be quite careful in fights, there still felt like there were stakes, that a random dude with a blaster could still get the better of him and he still needed to be quite wary about being outnumbered or cornered. Jedi powers were a nice extra to have on top of all your training. Luke could lift a spaceship with force.
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Paladinus posted:Luke could lift a spaceship with force. Very poorly and it was a huge deal, and even yoda had to sit and focus and lift it slowly. Not something you'd just do on the fly in the middle of fighting. Vader ripping poo poo off the wall and pummeling luke during their fight was cool too. But it all still felt a little more grounded. I just hate super hero movies and over the top action, it ends up cheapening everything, you just grow numb to it and none of it feels impressive.
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Paladinus posted:Luke could lift a spaceship with force. And even luke didn't think he could do that poo poo. Weird that this was any kind of surprise to him in a universe where entire star destroyers got crashed into planets and poo poo but there ya go.
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monster on a stick posted:But Kreia was female
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reignofevil posted:And even luke didn't think he could do that poo poo. Weird that this was any kind of surprise to him in a universe where entire star destroyers got crashed into planets and poo poo but there ya go. Luke skipped all history classes to hang out at Tosche Station.
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achillesforever6 posted:KOTR2 is great if buggy (Obsidiangame.txt) because Chris Avellone hated the concept of Star Wars The best starwars stuff was done by people who didn't like starwars. Like the xwing and Tie fighter series were done by some people who wanted to do their own space fligth sim but got stuck with the star wars license.
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Paladinus posted:Luke could lift a spaceship with force. achillesforever6 posted:KOTR2 is great if buggy (Obsidiangame.txt) because Chris Avellone hated the concept of Star Wars
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temple posted:He didn't do it to solve problems. The problem was that his ship was stuck in a swamp.
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Paladinus posted:The problem was that his ship was stuck in a swamp. This is why you fail.
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I guess it was also about self-discovery and spiritual journey. But he also really needed to get that ship out of the bog.
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Iirc doesn't Yoda actually lift the ship for him anyway because he isn't good enough/whatever?
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reignofevil posted:Iirc doesn't Yoda actually lift the ship for him anyway because he isn't good enough/whatever? quote:Days later, while training, Luke becomes distracted when he finds that his X-wing fighter has almost completely submerged into the swamp. Luke declares he will never be able to get the ship out, seeing that it is too big for him to extract from the water. Yoda says it is "no different, only different in your mind." Luke says he'll "try" to lift the ship, but Yoda says "No! Do or do not, there is no try." Luke tries to use the Force, but to no avail. Yoda reminds him that "size matters not" and gives him wisdom about the Force. Luke denies all of this, then Yoda decides to use the Force to lift the ship out himself. Luke is dumbfounded and incredulous. Yoda senses the youngster's failures within his mind.
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temple posted:beep boop jedis are psychic warmachines They will be rebranded as "Force Patriots".
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See and its good there because we had a protagonist who was more humanized and easier to sympathize with as an audience because it turns out using your magic bullshit powers to fix all your problems is kind of hard. I guess I am just saying I wish episode 7 was more fleshed out.
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Now that they're done with Space Cop and the Plinkett review, we can expect new content at a faster rate, right?
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Guy Goodbody posted:Now that they're done with Space Cop and the Plinkett review, we can expect new content at a faster rate, right? They're not done being hack frauds yet, so probably not.
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theyre a bunch of fat millennial film school dorks who couldn't make it in the real industry so they accidentally became popular on youtube instead, a medium they actively despis, but have to deal with because its the only way they can make money every waking moment is torment for these men
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