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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know this is a reference to Bush's attacks on Kerry's war service but I never fully understood what the term "swift boating" means. Can someone explain? And then you get a shitload of ads with some dude saying "Bernie Sanders said "gently caress America""
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AdmiralViscen posted:Trump took the lead in July the last time this happened You are unbelievably stupid if you think that the situation today, 10 days out from election, is the same as it was in July in the aftermath of the RNC. That's utterly disingenuous in every way.
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Oct 30, 2016 00:57
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AdmiralViscen posted:This email poo poo isn't really going away. You need to read three paragraphs into an article about it to even get a hint of how its bullshit. Even friendly articles have scary headlines. This is true but you can't get this thread to acknowledge it. Any news that isn't good for Hillary is aggressively batted down.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:00
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Tender Bender posted:It's remarkable how clearly this highlights how shallow so many people are. This isn't even a story. "Someone sent emails, possibly related to Hillary." That's the meat of the story. And it's being treated like investigators are closing in on her or something.
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Oct 30, 2016 00:59
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If the email bullshit from Friday was all it took to sink Clinton, despite her substantial lead, then she had already lost years ago since the GOP could just release some fraudulent statement saying they were reopening investigations or whatever, get the press to run with it for a few days while also saying that it has no merit and there's really nothing she could do to stop it. If that was the case there was no point hoping that Trump wasn't going to win this since it was inevitable. Have some faith in the electorate.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:00
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Ogmius815 posted:This is true but you can't get this thread to acknowledge it. Any news that isn't good for Hillary is aggressively batted down. I disagree with your implicit conclusion. The gently caress do you want, editorial override on everyone's posting?
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Oct 30, 2016 01:00
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Does someone have proof of this, transcript, video or otherwise? I don't doubt it for a second, I just want to bask in the insanity of it. Should be up on Youtube if you want to subject yourself to it.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:02
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Nessus posted:I acknowledge your words. I...yes. Give me that.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know this is a reference to Bush's attacks on Kerry's war service but I never fully understood what the term "swift boating" means. Can someone explain? IIRC, it's used to denote a particularly egregious, intellectually dishonest attack on an opponent's character that is something of which the attacker's side is far more guilty. Kerry served in Vietnam, Bush never did. Republicans attacking Hillary over emails while pretending the Bush administration didn't delete thousands of their own. Debt scolds putting 200-2008 into the Memory Hole and then scream about Obama's stimulus, etc.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I don't know what was on CBS, but they apparently have to go to a notary to absentee vote No.
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Neeksy posted:IIRC, it's used to denote a particularly egregious, intellectually dishonest attack on an opponent's character that is something of which the attacker's side is far more guilty. Kerry served in Vietnam, Bush never did. A particular element of swiftboating is that it is done by 3rd parties so the campaign can keep its hands clean.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:03
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What exactly was Hillary doing while Trump fighting his own personal Vietnam? Not fighting a Vietnam, that's what.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:06
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And Hilldawg was telling people not to protest Vietnam! 
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You are unbelievably stupid if you think that the situation today, 10 days out from election, is the same as it was in July in the aftermath of the RNC. That's utterly disingenuous in every way. I'm not saying she's going to lose. But a lot of these Senate races are 1-2 point gaps. It doesn't take a lot to make some big problems here and my Hillary friendly Facebook feed isn't looking so hot today. There is no DNC or debate for Hillary to get a platform to clearly explain herself, and the best she can say is "Comey please release them" which sounds pretty weak. The media wants a horse race and isn't going to pump people with her view on this non-story.
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bitter nevertrump has-beens who lay everything he and his supporters do at the feet of The Left are so pathetic https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/792518550757908480 (this in response to footage of a deplorable chanting JEW-S-A at the media pen) at least rick wilson and the mcmullin crew don't go to bat for the deplorables
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Oct 30, 2016 01:13
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AdmiralViscen posted:I'm not saying she's going to lose. But a lot of these Senate races are 1-2 point gaps. It doesn't take a lot to make some big problems here and my Hillary friendly Facebook feed isn't looking so hot today.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:14
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You are unbelievably stupid if you think that the situation today, 10 days out from election, is the same as it was in July in the aftermath of the RNC. That's utterly disingenuous in every way. Ok but we still all agree that Anthony "Dickileaks" Weiner only has days to live, right?
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Oct 30, 2016 01:15
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Radish posted:
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smg77 posted:Ok but we still all agree that Anthony "Dickileaks" Weiner only has days to live, right?
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Nessus posted:So go make some phone calls. I suspect this is going to impact Hillary's lead but I also figured she had a few points of cushion from the disproportionate GOTV efforts. That isn't going to just evaporate because "EMAILS!!!!! n/t" got released by the FBI director. I was already signed up to phone bank. Why are you guys calling me stupid and saying poo poo like this? It's a credible point of discussion.
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Luigi Thirty posted:And Hilldawg was telling people not to protest Vietnam! Uhh, Hillary was pretty involved in Vietnam war protests.
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AdmiralViscen posted:I was already signed up to phone bank. These things get brought up like they Need To Get Acknowledged By The USPOL Thread, but it's like, alright: this is an event that occured, and it isn't even contested that it does Hillary no favors, save through perhaps possible (but not probable) judo like making it look like Comey is an rear end in a top hat. We could discuss how much of an impact it would make, but it seems instead it gets hung up on "you need to acknowledge this". Acknowledge it in what sense? It's an event, it happened. I don't think it's going to make a big impact. If it had happened NEXT Friday it might have made a significant ding; as it is, it is going to get at least partially washed out since it has essentially no substance to it. I suppose that you disagree but can you articulate what the impact you think it will have, is? Like the discussion seems to be "This happened." "Yes, it occurred." What's the next step? For instance you think it's going to have a substantial impact on marginal Senate races. I don't think it will, although I imagine it will blunt some of Hillary's GOTV advantage in some areas. Nessus fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Bip Roberts posted:Uhh, Hillary was pretty involved in Vietnam war protests. There was some unattributed quote on twitter a few days ago about her telling people not to embarrass Wellesley by protesting or something.
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MIGF you coward, post your thoughts in the thread in front of God and Lowtax instead of PMing me poo poo about how Watergate made it so Democrats can't be pro-war and anti-bank any more. For someone complaining about Democrats being "pussies" you sure seem to act like one yourself.
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Luigi Thirty posted:There was some unattributed quote on twitter a few days ago about her telling people not to embarrass Wellesley by protesting or something. Oh, okay...
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:florida numbers still don't look very good compared to 2012 (obama got 53% of early/absentee vote iirc) but former obama people said that she was doing well for the fact that early voting started on a weekday, so monday morning will probably be a better time to tell how dems are doing there In 2010, after Florida elected the Platonic Ideal of a Serial Killer's Photo as Governor Early Voting was cut down from 14 days(including 2 Sundays) to 8 days(and preventing any voting on the Sunday before the Election). This of course caused a giant mess and made the state look loving idiotic when nobody knew who won the election for days. As a result the Legislature and the Governor were forced to up the number of Early Voting days. The minimum number of days allowed is now 8, with Supervisors of Elections being allowed to at their discretion add an additional 5 days to the start and add the Sunday before the Election, for up to 6 more days. This discrepancy in the length of Early Voting across the 3 elections makes comparing them slightly harder unless we wait until the Florida Secretary of State updates their voting tally on the night of Monday, November 7th. However here are the comparisons as of right now. Keep in mind that Early Voting and Absentee Ballot returns haven't ended yet so the final numbers are going to be off. Also tomorrow is Souls to the Polls, which is the big Early Voting day for African American Churches to get out the vote. code:Edit: 2008 total number of Early Votes: 4,565,021 2012 total number of Early Votes: 4,469,393 2014 total number of Early Votes: 3,258,034 Gyges fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Goatman Sacks posted:holy poo poo it's cefte 
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Nessus posted:It's more like... "OK, so now what." Any piece of news posted anywhere can be summed up as "it happened what can we do about it?" The tone of this post sucks. Bad news hurts turnout. This news is bad and is the only type of news that has been demonstrably proven to damage Hillary's standing. This news will be hard to put away since it is so open ended and they have to depend on the kindness of Comey to clear it up. Turnout is important, especially for marginal downticket races. I didn't say that This Needs To Be Acknowledged, I made an observation and then I got dogpiled with ad hominems. I was literally trying to discuss the impact it would make, which you're saying is the point of this topic. AdmiralViscen fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Nessus posted:Like the discussion seems to be "This happened." "Yes, it occurred." What's the next step? For instance you think it's going to have a substantial impact on marginal Senate races. I don't think it will, although I imagine it will blunt some of Hillary's GOTV advantage in some areas. Anyone who 'decides' not to turn out for Hillary because the emails came up again (with no new information, just got mentioned again) was never going to turn out for Hillary in the first place. Kind of like how 90% of 'Undecideds' are very obviously going to vote for one candidate or the other (or not vote at all), and are just looking for an excuse to justify a decision they've effectively already made.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:31
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AdmiralViscen posted:Any piece of news posted anywhere can be summed up as "it happened what can we do about it?" The tone of this post sucks. I don't think it's going to have a drastic impact, though I agree it will not be positive barring some comical last-hour bullshit from Comey like going on Limbaugh and saying "Well yes I wrote that because I was very concerned about the outcome of the Senate races."
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Oct 30, 2016 01:33
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climboutonalimb posted:What is the cattle futures controversy? Hillary bought some cattle futures that made money. That's it.
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Oct 30, 2016 01:34
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Man is that ever a trip back in time, to when I thought EVE was a good game
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duz posted:Hillary bought some cattle futures that made money. That's it.
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Radish posted:Have some faith in the electorate. No. (but yeah, if anything the fact that trumps losing and hurting the GOP should give us some faith)
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Nessus posted:Man, between this and the news she's probably had sex with Bill Clinton, I don't know what to think any more. That only happened once in 1979 and neither of them ever talk about it.
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climboutonalimb posted:What is the cattle futures controversy? Hillary made a boatload of money in a really short period of time investing in cattle futures. GOP says this is a sign of corruption.
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Relevant to this thread: https://imgur.com/gallery/QlWAG
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JosefStalinator posted:Hillary made a boatload of money in a really short period of time investing in cattle futures. GOP says this is a sign of corruption.
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climboutonalimb posted:What is the cattle futures controversy? Hillary Clinton heard there was a lot of money in cattle futures. She read up a shitload on it, then started gambling on it with extreme hedging (gaining/losing tens of thousands every day). When she found out she was pregnant with Chelsea, she decided to stop taking those risks, and cashed out quite a bit richer. However she's a dumb woman so obviously she cheated to make that money.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I know this is a reference to Bush's attacks on Kerry's war service but I never fully understood what the term "swift boating" means. Can someone explain? In Vietnam Kerry was in charge of a PCF(Patrol Craft Fast) which was a boat with a shallow draft that allowed it to patrol the rivers and other such waterways of Vietnam. They are also called Swift Boats in general parlance. While commanding his Swift Boat he received several medals including the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and 3 Purple Hearts. This made him a war hero and the Purple Hearts allowed him to be discharged. When he returned to the US he became a vocal anti-war advocate, at one point apparently throwing a way his medals. In 2004 a PAC called Swift Boat Veterans For Truth was formed. They put out a bunch of attack ads supposedly from other veterans who served on Swift Boats and wanted to talk about how John Kerry was a coward and a piece of poo poo. This is where the myth of his Purple Hearts being for minor wounds which he cowardly used to get out of the war came from. It lead to the famous picture of the lady with the purple heart band-aid at the 2004 Republican National Convention. After the Election Swift Boats Veterans For Truth transitioned in the popular culture from the name of a PAC to a verb that described their actions. Thus swiftboating. A PCF: 
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