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I refuse to believe that people saying THIS set of email headlines is the reason they aren't going to vote against Donald "White Supremacy" Trump were going to drag their asses to the polls anyway.
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In the extremely accurate history documentary Crusader Kings 2, playing as a Byzantine ruler allows you to castrate or blind your political enemies. Just sayin'
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Quorum posted:We take a break from arguing whether or not the Statue of Liberty is a Klan member to bring you this SNEAK PREVIEW of Game Change III, coming to your local bookstore next summer: And some people thought this was the "best timeline" 
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Crow Jane posted:In the extremely accurate history documentary Crusader Kings 2, playing as a Byzantine ruler allows you to castrate or blind your political enemies. Just sayin' This is probably the most historically-accurate thing about Crusader Kings 2. And Hillary has been accused of wanting to castrate her political foes... 
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gfsincere posted:It's a statue of a white woman welcoming other white people to a land that wasn't theirs in the first place. I dunno, maybe you should ask the many groups of disadvantaged, downtrodden, oppressed, or genocided people who came to America for a better life. The Irish, the Hmong, Jews, Somalis, etc. I know we all hate America here, but you can't deny that it genuinely has been a beacon of freedom and opportunity to many oppressed peoples
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Nate Silver fretted about something interesting the other day. There's probably just enough time for us to see the reaction to the email poo poo by the middle of this next week, but there's probably not enough time for us to see the impact of discovering that Comey is an idiot and the scandal is probably bullshit. So the polls may tighten, but they might not be able to show them widen again.
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Oct 30, 2016 15:27
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Guy Goodbody posted:I dunno, maybe you should ask the many groups of disadvantaged, downtrodden, oppressed, or genocided people who came to America for a better life. The Irish, the Hmong, Jews, Somalis, etc. I know we all hate America here, but you can't deny that it genuinely has been a beacon of freedom and opportunity to many oppressed peoples Saying this as a German tho so ymmv
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Quorum posted:The evening of inauguration day, President Hillary Clinton invites all of the House Republicans to watch an exhibition match at RFK Stadium-- sponsored, of course, by Nike. The sound system plays broken snippets of Trump speeches on a tortured loop. The members of the House Freedom Caucus are getting antsy. "Let's just go make some second amendment solutions," one is heard to say. As they move to leave, they find all of the gates closed, except for one... and Hillary, resplendent in her purple pantsuit, doesn't so much as smile as she signals the National Guard to move in. Hillary is surely a fan of the Blues, right?
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Oct 30, 2016 15:31
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Quorum posted:This is probably the most historically-accurate thing about Crusader Kings 2. And Hillary has been accused of wanting to castrate her political foes... I've been thinking about trying to recreate Trump in the Ruler Designer (traits: Wroth, Glutton, Paranoid, Cruel, Dull), sticking him in some backwater province and just letting the game roll, making every bad decision along the way. Could be interesting to see how quickly everything would go to poo poo
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Oct 30, 2016 15:35
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Apologies if this has already been mentioned in the past 29312089 pages or is completely obvious to everyone else, but it just hit me how the Hillary emails attack is not just disingenuous and completely political (obvious to everyone), but also completely loving stupid and logically inconsistent. At absolute worst, if you believe everything leveled against Hillary, she was completely negligent in every way, but did not purposely mishandle anything. DONALD loving TRUMP ASKED RUSSIA TO HACK MORE EMAILS AND RELEASE THEM. Jesus loving christ I hate this goddamn election.
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Oct 30, 2016 15:36
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A rated pollster Siena has Trump +5 in FL....seems like a major outlier but there have been three polls in the last week in FL that now show him slightly ahead.
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Northjayhawk posted:Nate Silver fretted about something interesting the other day. There's probably just enough time for us to see the reaction to the email poo poo by the middle of this next week, but there's probably not enough time for us to see the impact of discovering that Comey is an idiot and the scandal is probably bullshit. i'd love to widen some Poles. oh you said polls.
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Question: If Duckworth became President in the future, would they give her bionic legs? Question: Would this make Duckworth the first cyborg President?
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nachos posted:These people wouldn't have voted HRC anyway. There is literally nothing of substance in this new "investigation" so they were basically waiting for the word email to pop in a headline to justify not voting Clinton. It's not the substance of the issue - it's the overwhelmingly negative media coverage.
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Oct 30, 2016 15:45
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Crow Jane posted:Try as I might, I can't come up with any reason to be mad about the emails. Because the only thing being reported is "here are some emails". There's absolutely nothing to suggest that there's anything damaging or illegal to them. Jesus Christ. In the future let's just make all emails from every public official available online for us to scrutinize. I woke up yesterday and heard all about this "horrible scandal" and then, after reading several articles about it, I couldn't find the bombshell or anything about why this was so important. The whole thing is loving stupid and positively reeks of the media looking for the horse race narrative and attempting to generate controversy. If something comes out from them, I'll eat crow but as it stands it just looks like some emails were sent to and from Weiner, Huma and Clinton. So loving what?
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FlamingLiberal posted:A rated pollster Siena has Trump +5 in FL....seems like a major outlier but there have been three polls in the last week in FL that now show him slightly ahead. Its an interesting switch and I am not entirely sure why it happened. I don't want to scream outlier, but there also hasn't really been any cause you can point to for it happening.
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Stretch Marx posted:Question: Yes on both counts. Though I'm pretty sure she is in fact a Physical Adept (of Wise Warrior, or possibly Fire-Bringer), in which case she won't want to pick up too much cyberware, it'll dampen her Essence.
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It's the oldest political trick in the book. Force your opponent to deny wrongdoing, which is just as bad as your opponent doing something wrong.
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Wikkheiser posted:It's the oldest political trick in the book. Force your opponent to deny wrongdoing, which is just as bad as your opponent doing something wrong. Arguably in some cases worse. Much of Donnie-boy's appearance of being bulletproof this election springs from his utter refusal to acknowledge his own wrong-doing, even to apologize for or deny it. OddObserver posted:Hillary is surely a fan of the Blues, right? well she definitely doesn't get along with the Greens Quorum fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Oct 30, 2016 15:53
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Night10194 posted:Honestly, I don't think this is correct or true. More than half of the people polled voting for him have admitted that they're doing so just to keep Clinton out of the White House. So yeah, we have reached the point where the right wing is comprised of roughly sixty percent people who would accept anything, even a rapist likely to end the world in nuclear fire on a whim, rather is than not have total control over government. The other forty percent are excited about all that and the idea of being freely racist, sexist bullies on top of all that.
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Oct 30, 2016 15:57
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FlamingLiberal posted:A rated pollster Siena has Trump +5 in FL....seems like a major outlier but there have been three polls in the last week in FL that now show him slightly ahead. Might be an outlier, might not, but the key information at this point are the voter registration demographics which show a decrease in white voters and an increase in Hispanic voters from 2012.
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Stretch Marx posted:Question: Will the GoP, having learned nothing from the bitter fruit of the Southern Strategy, make the rights of cybernetic people their new wedge issue? Signs point to yes.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The crazy thing is how quickly everyone forgets each new trump scandal. Oh he's a racist? that was so six months ago. Oh he's a rapist? That was so two weeks ago. This is in the age group that's most disposed to vote Trump AND most likely to vote period. Any news that causes them to move away from him won't stick, and they'll slowly drift back. This obviously doesn't hold for all seniors. Also, at this point, Trump's said just about everything idiotic he can come up with, so nothing he says is really "news" anymore.
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There needs to be some sort of shift in the sphere of journalism where every reporter needs to ask themselves, 'am I actually reporting on something or reporting on the optics of something' and if it's the latter smash their hand with a hammer until the desire goes away. it's been so god damned frustrating watch nothing-story after nothing-story make the rounds through the press and get way more play than it should carried entirely on journalists repeating 'boy this sure looks bad it's actually nothing but wow it sure looks bad how are voters responding to this?' over and over
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Necc0 posted:There needs to be some sort of shift in the sphere of journalism where every reporter needs to ask themselves, 'am I actually reporting on something or reporting on the optics of something' and if it's the latter smash their hand with a hammer until the desire goes away. Then you should probably lobby for more publicly funded journalism, because as it stands it's useless to accuse the journalists when in reality most of them don't have full editorial control over what they publish anyway in the for-profit journalism business.
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Oct 30, 2016 16:03
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Glass half full: If Trump is destined to lose, its better for the GOP that he gets wiped out. A close loss would be a total loving disaster for Republicans. He would then of course blame GOP leaders for holding him down, his moron base will believe it, and the party's civil war would be on.
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I agree that the effect of Emails Part X: Electric Boogaloo is that some Trump voters go from  to  They were due to weeks of coverage since the debates/Access Hollywood showing Trump dead.They become without any substance needed behind the story except there's media coverage saying "something going on, bad for Clinton!"Broadcast media is totally complicit in that the Trump Trainwreck narrative was getting stale for them and were going to JUMP at any opportunity to HORSERACE IT UP again, they don't care about the substance of it any more than the RedHats. I mean, Jesus, on the day the story dropped, there were reporters on the air wondering what would happen if Clinton had to go to jail before the election or had to drop out of the race, for gently caress's sake. So you get a bump in GOP side enthusiasm and turnout. Hopefully it will get a chance to wane a bit before actual election day, if the media or events give it a chance to peter out at all. It could diminish Senate chances and cost a very close state or two, maybe a winnable one like AZ, hopefully not one as big as FL. The frustrating thing is that it seems to literally only take someone going "OOGA BOOGA EMAILS!" without any new substance, to cause this. Our democracy is literally that fragile. Sheesh.
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Necc0 posted:There needs to be some sort of shift in the sphere of journalism where every reporter needs to ask themselves, 'am I actually reporting on something or reporting on the optics of something' and if it's the latter smash their hand with a hammer until the desire goes away. Unfortunately, I think most journalists are more concerned with 'will I have a job tomorrow of I don't jump on this immediately and in a way that doesn't piss off the ownership?' then anything else.
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DaveWoo posted:Some interesting polling numbers here: Seems like good news to me unless I am missing something
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BiggerBoat posted:If something comes out from them, I'll eat crow but as it stands it just looks like some emails were sent to and from Weiner, Huma and Clinton. So loving what?
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Northjayhawk posted:Glass half full: If Trump is destined to lose, its better for the GOP that he gets wiped out. A close loss would be a total loving disaster for Republicans. He would then of course blame GOP leaders for holding him down, his moron base will believe it, and the party's civil war would be on. Yeah but a close loss (never mind a WIN God forbid) is also a disaster for the rest of us in various important ways. GOP Senate can prevent court nominations or any decent legislation, emboldens the deploreables to be racist shits and to cause trouble in various ways, etc. Can anyone explain the discrepancy between Democrats utilizing Early Voting and Republicans using Election Day voting much more? The only sensible reason I can think of is a much higher proportion of old and retired people among GOP voters who have all day to get their vote in and thus don't sweat going early to make sure they can vote at all. That, and the fact that Democratic constituencies recognize that they are much more likely to be the target of voter suppression and various forms of fuckery, i.e. don't take as much for granted their ability to vote, and are more anxious to take any available opportunity to get their vote in.
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botany posted:Then you should probably lobby for more publicly funded journalism, because as it stands it's useless to accuse the journalists when in reality most of them don't have full editorial control over what they publish anyway in the for-profit journalism business. I donate to my local NPR member station but they're being just as bad.
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pumpinglemma posted:You know what the funny part is? They weren't even sent to or from Clinton, just Huma - Weiner's wife at the time. And the FBI doesn't even know what's in them because they need a court order. In a sane world this sort of election-throwing behaviour from an FBI director would be flat-out illegal. Oh, well, since you put it that way I guess I better vote for Trump just in case. Kidding aside, I don't see the story here; like at all. Or is it just "heh heh Weiner is a scumbag and his penis"? Too late. +1 in Florida early voting - straight Democratic ticket.
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Because if you put Clinton and Emails in a headline, you get paiiiiiiid
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