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An interesting theory I read is that Mika shot 4 times because he was using his non-dominant hand and only had 1 eye to aim, not because of his usual "Make sure they're dead" reasoning.
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I am really excited to see a Mobile Armor on the protagonist side.
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Oct 24, 2016 01:54
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Guy Goodbody posted:I am really excited to see a Mobile Armor on the protagonist side. Seems it'll be a seriously evil-looking fucker, too.
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Oct 24, 2016 01:58
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Looks like Metal Gear RAY to me.
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Oct 24, 2016 02:00
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Tae posted:An interesting theory I read is that Mika shot 4 times because he was using his non-dominant hand and only had 1 eye to aim, not because of his usual "Make sure they're dead" reasoning. Thats actually interesting because when I first saw it I thought he shot his usual three rounds. On rewatch, yeah he shot 4 times.
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Oct 24, 2016 02:10
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In my heart of hearts that is a modern take on the Big Zam.
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Oct 24, 2016 02:17
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Raxivace posted:Looks like Metal Gear RAY to me. Rules of Nature when?
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Oct 24, 2016 03:03
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I finally get it. I'm watching scarface. Orga is Al Pacino. Mikazuki is his balls.
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Oct 24, 2016 03:51
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Ka0 posted:I finally get it. I'm watching scarface. Orga is Al Pacino. "You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth." does seem appropriate to Mikazuki.
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Oct 24, 2016 04:15
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I hope there's less incest than in Scarface (Both versions).
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Oct 24, 2016 04:18
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Raxivace posted:I hope there's less incest than in Scarface (Both versions). They're all orphans, how could there be incest?
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Oct 24, 2016 05:02
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Speculation time, the mobile armor is going to be hijacked by that Teiwaz dude thats angry at Tekkadan once its sent in for repair. Also once McGillis consolidates power in the seven star alliance he's going to move against the rest of the power houses like Teiwaz, Nobliss, etc. Tekkadan should have an easy time picking who they'll side with when the time comes but all of those factions are shitbags in the first place so god knows how that'll play out.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:24
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Speculation time, the mobile armor is going to be hijacked by that Teiwaz dude thats angry at Tekkadan once its sent in for repair. Also once McGillis consolidates power in the seven star alliance he's going to move against the rest of the power houses like Teiwaz, Nobliss, etc. Tekkadan should have an easy time picking who they'll side with when the time comes but all of those factions are shitbags in the first place so god knows how that'll play out. I'm assuming that Tekkadan, the Arianrhod fleet, and the Turbines (if they're still alive by that point) will end up allying against McGillis and/or whatever Nobliss has up his sleeve, although that does depend on just how vengeance-crazed Gaelio is. Certainly, Rustal and his crew are coming across as one of the most heroic factions in all of this so far.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:31
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Speculation time, the mobile armor is going to be hijacked by that Teiwaz dude thats angry at Tekkadan once its sent in for repair. Also once McGillis consolidates power in the seven star alliance he's going to move against the rest of the power houses like Teiwaz, Nobliss, etc. Tekkadan should have an easy time picking who they'll side with when the time comes but all of those factions are shitbags in the first place so god knows how that'll play out. Orga isn't going to go against his big bro without substantial reason so it won't be too easy deciding.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Orga isn't going to go against his big bro without substantial reason so it won't be too easy deciding. No, thats what I mean. He wont go against his bro. So it should be easy deciding. So the question would be if McGillis wants to have Tekkadan as enemies or will he bring Teiwaz in as part of his plan. Either way, there is no way for Tekkadan to come out of the situation unscathed because they have a piece of everyone's pie right now. They might even have a Mars/Earth split because of the alliances going on with them. Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 16:36
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Admittedly, this is the same joke I'd use if I was in Amano Jaku's place.
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*mongolian throat singing* to-ma-to! to-ma-to, TU-NAAAA (weird british voice) Turn-A gondem
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Colour pics for the Vidar are out, and... uhh... Gaelio really isn't taking his betrayal well, is he?  He's modified the Kimaris to look like McGillis's Schwalbe Graze.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:52
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Kanos posted:I don't think I'd class their actions as hubristic because that implies a belief of invincibility; I think reckless is a lot more accurate. Orga is at least nominally aware about the nature of the risks he takes and the cost of failure; remember that Biscuit died in his arms. He just believes that taking insane risks is the only way to advance Tekkadan at a rate that he views as meaningful and acceptable. The blinders on Orga aren't that he isn't aware that Tekkadan could get hosed and lose everything, it's that he doesn't realize that the very success of Tekkadan is exacerbating the problem that Tekkadan's success is meant to fix. However, I do agree with: I think Orga's read is pretty on point. The world of Iron Blooded Orphans is not one where you can just settle on a farm and be safe and secure without an in with the powerful. Having McGillis be top dog is probably their only chance at present to have any kind of real long term security. There's also the simple fact that if McGillis thinks Tekkadan isn't with him, then he's gonna think they are a tool that can used against him. And Orga just saw him carry off a power play that had him on top of the most powerful organization in space. Why would he want to make this guy an enemy? Especially when he's already worked with him before at benefit to him?
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anglachel posted:I think Orga's read is pretty on point. The world of Iron Blooded Orphans is not one where you can just settle on a farm and be safe and secure without an in with the powerful. Having McGillis be top dog is probably their only chance at present to have any kind of real long term security. There's also the simple fact that if McGillis thinks Tekkadan isn't with him, then he's gonna think they are a tool that can used against him. And Orga just saw him carry off a power play that had him on top of the most powerful organization in space. Why would he want to make this guy an enemy? Especially when he's already worked with him before at benefit to him? Not having McGillis as an enemy and entering into an alliance with him aren't the same thing, though. While I agree that Tekkadan definitely doesn't want to make an enemy of McGillis, Orga's just entered into an implicit contract where if McGillis fucks up his incredibly dangerous political game, Tekkadan will receive blowback for it, even if they don't have anything to do with why McGillis hosed up. McGillis isn't on top; he took control of the Fareed family, and taking control involved deeply damaging the Fareed family's prestige by implicating his father in the corruption at Edmonton. Rustal's faction controls the greatest part of Gjallarhorn's military forces(Arianhrod) and has the approval/support of other Seven Stars(Iok). That's a pretty dangerous thing to align yourself against, especially since Orga deliberately mentions Tekkadan's puny status relative to those other factions. The differential in power is illustrated pretty starkly by the battle here where McGillis was only able to send one ship while Rustal could scrounge up five to take Sandoval. Orga would take the alliance in any case because Orga is a compulsive insane risk-taker and an alliance with McGillis has the highest potential payout of all options available to him, but much like most of Orga's bets, it has the potential to fail so catastrophically that it means the end of everything.
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Oct 26, 2016 22:37
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I don't know if it's good or bad that I don't feel weird about Orga having Mikazuki execute a defenseless dude anymore. Also is that guy that really wants to be a mobile suit pilot the guy from the offshoot manga about the astaroth gundam or whatever?
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muike posted:Also is that guy that really wants to be a mobile suit pilot the guy from the offshoot manga about the astaroth gundam or whatever? He is not.
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Droyer posted:He is not. I imagine that's been covered about 3 million times before I started reading this thread, but thank you.
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Oct 27, 2016 00:11
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muike posted:I don't know if it's good or bad that I don't feel weird about Orga having Mikazuki execute a defenseless dude anymore. The guy encouraged a bunch of pirates to kill people because he was becoming politically irrelevant and couldn't cash out, and there ain't no law on Mars outside of Gjallahorn rolling up and taking everyone away in cuffs or murdering everyone depending on how they're feeling that day. So its kinda hard to feel too broken up about it.
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Oct 27, 2016 00:27
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The guy effectively hired hitman, and tried to hire hitman again as they were in the room.
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I think the real tragedy is that, as Kudelia pointed out, things got to the point where murdering was inevitable. I mean, she ended up having to wipe out the local leadership of her own beloved Martian independence movement because she miscalculated how desperate they'd become.
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Kanos posted:Not having McGillis as an enemy and entering into an alliance with him aren't the same thing, though. While I agree that Tekkadan definitely doesn't want to make an enemy of McGillis, Orga's just entered into an implicit contract where if McGillis fucks up his incredibly dangerous political game, Tekkadan will receive blowback for it, even if they don't have anything to do with why McGillis hosed up. McGillis isn't on top; he took control of the Fareed family, and taking control involved deeply damaging the Fareed family's prestige by implicating his father in the corruption at Edmonton. Rustal's faction controls the greatest part of Gjallarhorn's military forces(Arianhrod) and has the approval/support of other Seven Stars(Iok). That's a pretty dangerous thing to align yourself against, especially since Orga deliberately mentions Tekkadan's puny status relative to those other factions. The differential in power is illustrated pretty starkly by the battle here where McGillis was only able to send one ship while Rustal could scrounge up five to take Sandoval. McGillis would likely view Tekkadan refusing to take the deal badly. Right now it's known that he has ties to Tekkadan and probably helped him, but it's not PROVEN. And in these political games, having it be someone everyone knows about is fine, but having it something everyone knows about and can prove is not. He would likely switch Tekkadan from the useful tool category to "potential threat" and then Orga is left with no allies in the only form of real government on Mars. Whether or not he would actually take actions against Tekkadan is unknown. McGillis strikes me as a guy who wouldn't just nilly willy try to get Tekkadan killed off, but if Tekkadan ever tried to get cozy with other parts of Gjallharhorn would. Which means allying with McGillis is the only meaningful path to legitimacy Orga has.
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Oct 27, 2016 12:06
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This episode's foreshadowing was about as subtle as a brick to the face.
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so what im seeing is that mcgillis plans to instigate a war, then intervene to demonstrate to the world why they need a gjallarhorn (so we dont get calamity war 2) gaelio's mask reminds me zero's mask, so i now suspect that his role at the end of the story is to be a symbol of conflict resolution and peace (mcgillis is gonna die)
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Oct 30, 2016 14:55
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Gorelab posted:I thought Rustal was the one instigating stuff there? Yeah, he got that Arbrau commander to plant that bomb and subvert the Earth branch's Teiwaz minder, presumably to start a war and discredit McGillis and Tekkadan. We're getting into some seriously murky politics here. On the plus side, Gaelio seems to have found a replacement Ein. 
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Oct 30, 2016 15:12
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Oct 30, 2016 16:02
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Goddamn, that moment before Orga realized why Mika hates peeling fruit now.
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Oct 30, 2016 16:14
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They're not even trying to pretend that these kids won't die horribly but I still feel for them. The cold blooded manipulation and casual disregard for their lives is a lot more effective than the cackling evil of the Brewers. These kids can't catch a break.  Also, the conversation about having someone to look up to (and the unspoken implication of what people think of that kind of relationship when both people are of different genders) makes me think the masked cyborg could be one of Carta's men instead of Gaelio. Probably not the case, but it gave me that vibe.
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GimmickMan posted:They're not even trying to pretend that these kids won't die horribly but I still feel for them. The cold blooded manipulation and casual disregard for their lives is a lot more effective than the cackling evil of the Brewers. These kids can't catch a break. I dunno, Carta's guys seemed a bit too interchangeable and anonymous to me to be this character. I think the "unspoken implication" was more about trusting someone who you might look up to and even love, but who might, in the end, stab you in the back. Betrayal seems to be kind of a big theme for this Gundam: everybody's using each other, and thinking they'll catch wise first if anyone makes a move.
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It's pretty obviously gali gali, and he seemed to reminiscence when he was Ein's commander during that conversation more than anything else. The pride line could either reference himself when he was so proud of being Ein's leader, or McGillis.
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I thought it was pretty clear that he was remembering his conversation with Ein about Crank. Remember when he screamed at McGillis for abusing the kid's pride? Seriously, both conversations even took place in the same sort of setting. It was very probably an intentional callback. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Oct 30, 2016 19:43
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GimmickMan posted:They're not even trying to pretend that these kids won't die horribly but I still feel for them. The cold blooded manipulation and casual disregard for their lives is a lot more effective than the cackling evil of the Brewers. These kids can't catch a break. It gave me even more of a Gaelio vibe. The different genders thing is a factor, maybe, but a smaller one than that the one thing Julieta has is a superior she can respect. In other words, all she has is what Ein had. And Ein got hosed over, hard, with a large part of that on Gaelio, even if Gaelio was the one person trying to help him. He's gotta be seeing this as a second chance. Which could go a lot of ways.
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It's Gaelio, for pity's sake. Him reflecting on another character's confidently avowed 'pride' would be proof enough by itself after his characterisation in season one. What interested me is that he wasn't as angry and obsessed with vengeance as I expected him to be. He mostly just sounded slightly amused and slightly sad while talking to Julieta. Earth branch are dead as a dodo, but we knew that already. Rustal initially struck me as a bluff man of fundamental decency but it's clear he is as vicious a schemer as they come, which I suppose I should have anticipated. Julieta's trust in him will probably be betrayed before the end. Makanai talking about how if you take the shortest possible path to your goals you will inevitably trip was a little on the nose.
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Despite the fact that all the story beats in the ep where as subtle as an iron slab to the face I am enjoying the fact that the villains are not evil for evils sake. They have goals and respond to our protagonists actions in cleaver ways. In a less well written show we would have had mobile suite beam spamming for 5 minutes, better then half of which would have been stock footage, that would have gotten us the same result with none of the dramatic punch. I mean aside from a brief flash of one when they where loading those trailers there wasn't even a MS in the episode.
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