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Mercrom posted:The circular firing squad is necessary because leftism isn't an ideology it's a testing ground for really stupid progressive ideas and some good ones. Mercrom posted:You know what's racist? Infantilizing minorities. I don't think people in this thread has held you to the standard of an adult. You don't even know what the word "generalization" means. You are a loving idiot and that is the least racist thing anyone has said about you in this thread. Mercrom posted:gfsincere has a point. How do you people think he's just an angry rear end in a top hat and not genuinely crazy or trolling? Mercrom posted:It's neither. He's arguing that way because it works. It's more effective to shame people than to have coherent arguments. Mercrom posted:The truth is you calling out racism isn't relevant. It doesn't suddenly make your arguments better than theirs. I could literally be Hitler hiding in South America and it wouldn't change the validity of my arguments. This guy is really loving mad holy heck!!
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Majorian posted:In all honesty, I don't think I've ever used that turn of phrase in any context. You should, it's a good phrase.
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AriadneThread posted:jesus this is still going on? Without Mt. Rushmore where would we hide our national treasures?
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Ruggan posted:Can I give my real opinion on that white girl indian thing that nobody wants to hear? Why are you so much more concerned with the well being of the perpetrators than the victims
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Ruggan posted:Can I give my real opinion on that white girl indian thing that nobody wants to hear? You can recognize all those things and still find the situation lamentable and upsetting The blowback they're going to get will be terrible and disproportionate but also what they're doing is really messed up
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Oct 31, 2016 07:00
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Squeegy posted:Without Mt. Rushmore where would we hide our national treasures? 
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Ruggan posted:You should, it's a good phrase. Nah, sounds overtly racist.
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Oct 31, 2016 07:01
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Ruggan posted:Can I give my real opinion on that white girl indian thing that nobody wants to hear? This. This is what I meant initially. There are some seriously backwards parts of the country where this poo poo is tolerated/encouraged. They're terrifying.
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Oct 31, 2016 07:01
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Ruggan posted:Can I give my real opinion on that white girl indian thing that nobody wants to hear? Public shaming goes a lot farther when people don't go "yes it was racist, but"
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Oct 31, 2016 07:01
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theflyingorc posted:You can recognize all those things and still find the situation lamentable and upsetting Those White kids will get nasty, angry words directed at them, while Black kids continue to get shot or go to prison.
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theflyingorc posted:But like Lived experience >>> news. Ruggan posted:You're such an angry poster. I still disagree and I think you're being intentionally obtuse. It matters to some degree regardless of what you say, as much or little as you care to ascribe to it (none). Yes!!! Bring out the angry black man trope once again! How dare a black person fire someone for making a workplace hostile towards minorities! What an angry and put of line opinion!
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Majorian posted:Nah, sounds overtly racist. I try not to use it but also not to judge people who do because you have to be told it is racist or you just don't know I never questioned the phrase about tiny shovel nomenclature until somebody told me
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Oct 31, 2016 07:03
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Ruggan posted:Can I give my real opinion on that white girl indian thing that nobody wants to hear? racism is still racism even if it's condensed into a liquid and injected into a baby's arm at birth against their will or knowledge, and it's not like anyone in this thread is in a position to track down these two women and patronizingly explain why what they did is bad, is this thread is doing a great job showcasing, you can't educate the unwilling maybe i've missed it, but i haven't really seen anyone here demonize them, either? unless you equate demonizing with calling someone racist in which case, look in the mirror friend, the demons were inside us all along
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theflyingorc posted:I try not to use it but also not to judge people who do because you have to be told it is racist or you just don't know What are you talking abou quote:The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur against African Americans, which was not recorded until 1928; however, in contemporary U.S. society, the idiom is often avoided due to potential confusion with the slur. Oh 
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Why are you so much more concerned with the well being of the perpetrators than the victims Why are you being intentionally obtuse? Is this a common theme? I think it's bad. They should think it's bad. I don't think it's bad enough that they should get destroyed over it. Look up Justine Sacco. She said terrible poo poo and the internet brought her life to its knees. I don't think that the punishment fits the deed, so to speak. Do you? Maybe it's okay to be concerned with the well being of both the victims and the perpetrators? You know, fellow human beings? theflyingorc posted:You can recognize all those things and still find the situation lamentable and upsetting Exactly. 100%
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theflyingorc posted:You can recognize all those things and still find the situation lamentable and upsetting You know what's actually terrible and disproportionate? The treatment of Native Americans by this country and the fact that the only reason Standing Rock is a thing is because the white people in Bismarck were not okay with the pipeline fuckin up their water supply. So gently caress em. They deserve everything bad in the world to happen to them and them alone. (Dave Chappelle joke).
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Ruggan posted:Can I give my real opinion on that white girl indian thing that nobody wants to hear? I grew up in a lovely part of the country where people would find that garbage funny and ya know, the people who found it funny in those communities were garbage pieces of poo poo themselves. There are plenty of people in those areas that don't do poo poo like that and don't find it ok, they got no excuse.
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theflyingorc posted:I try not to use it but also not to judge people who do because you have to be told it is racist or you just don't know the phrase is from greek or some poo poo, it's been in usage in english since the 1500s or thereabouts. Calling black people spades started in the 20th century I still avoid it though because a lot of people relate it to the slur
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Squeegy posted:Without Mt. Rushmore where would we hide our national treasures? it's okay, nick cage already got it for us
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gfsincere posted:Lived experience >>> news. I didn't even know you were black though. I literally walked into the thread and started posting. If I was unintentionally disrespectful (and it was unintentional) sorry?
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Ruggan posted:Can I give my real opinion on that white girl indian thing that nobody wants to hear?
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People loging in tomorrow morning: "Holy gently caress 2,400 posts what the gently caress happened what the gently caress" Answer: "Don't arzy, it was just the black people" USER WAS PROBATED FOR THIS POST
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AriadneThread posted:racism is still racism even if it's condensed into a liquid and injected into a baby's arm at birth against their will or knowledge, and it's not like anyone in this thread is in a position to track down these two women and patronizingly explain why what they did is bad, is this thread is doing a great job showcasing, you can't educate the unwilling Nah, you're right about the last line. I guess I haven't seen any local demonizing, I'm just taking a stab at what's probably going to happen to them...
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Ruggan posted:Why are you being intentionally obtuse? Is this a common theme? Nope, this country has spent entirely too loving long being concerned with the well being of unabashed racists to the detriment of everyone else. gently caress em all.
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Ruggan posted:Why are you being intentionally obtuse? Is this a common theme? For reference, here's an NY Times article on her: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html
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Squeegy posted:What are you talking abou Wait, no poo poo? Huh.
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Tom Guycot posted:I grew up in a lovely part of the country where people would find that garbage funny and ya know, the people who found it funny in those communities were garbage pieces of poo poo themselves. There are plenty of people in those areas that don't do poo poo like that and don't find it ok, they got no excuse. I'm not trying to find an excuse for them. It was a bad joke and is unfunny. It's sad too. I was just pointing to the probably reason. Disagree?
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AriadneThread posted:jesus this is still going on? Nope! It made a really loving awesome ending to North by Northwest. But yeah they probably shouldn't have made it, or at least not there on such recently seized land (1876 i think)
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gfsincere posted:Nope, this country has spent entirely too loving long being concerned with the well being of unabashed racists to the detriment of everyone else. gently caress em all. Please stop.
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Squeegy posted:Those White kids will get nasty, angry words directed at them, while Black kids continue to get shot or go to prison. They're still being real gross and bad, they deserve to be called out and even ridiculed
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Litany Unheard posted:the phrase is from greek or some poo poo, it's been in usage in english since the 1500s or thereabouts. I don't think I've ever heard this. Do people still use it that way?
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Call a spade a spade is a racist term? I thought it was just a phrase about card games. That's how I was introduced to it. In a game where spades ruled them all.
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Ruggan posted:Okay, I had to go back and actually read what you were responding to. This kind of thing comes up in HR for big companies all the time. If two people are having a fun time ripping at each other with racist jokes at the office - and even if those jokes are entirely acceptable to both parties and literally irrelevant to everyone else (let's say they're the only Polish people at the office and they exclusively make Polish jokes) and a third party overhears it and thinks that a 'reasonable person' would find them offensive - you absolutely pull those people into your office and tell them to stop. And that's dealing with touchy HR stuff, not actual human emotions in the real world. Real people are even less tolerant of that kind of thing because you will never, ever know the intent as a third party observer, you just get to deal with your own emotions, and if a reasonable person could find the offending behavior offensive, than the intent isn't super relevant. Intent should matter in like, a courtroom environment. It honestly doesn't and shouldn't matter to laypeople who are hit by the shrapnel of offensive behavior.
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Ruggan posted:I'm not trying to find an excuse for them. It was a bad joke and is unfunny. It's sad too. Oh, well yeah, lovely people raised by other lovely people is part of the reason, sure.
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Ruggan posted:Call a spade a spade is a racist term? I thought it was just a phrase about card games. That's how I was introduced to it. In a game where spades ruled them all. there are so many coded euphemisms for black people that practically every american english idiom has some racist undertone
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Ruggan posted:Call a spade a spade is a racist term? I thought it was just a phrase about card games. That's how I was introduced to it. In a game where spades ruled them all. I think it's a reference to a gardening spade, but "spade" is also a racial slur so...yeah. I steer clear.
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Ruggan posted:Please stop. He's not wrong. You're concerntrolling over the well-being of some idiots who don't deserve it and will in all probability suffer little to no long term detriment and in the short term only shame, if that. This is a super racist thing and it's pedantic at best to be arguing intent, noone cares, and it's outlandish to suggest some sort of disproportionate overreaction that there's no evidence of that anywhere at all
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Potato Salad posted:I can my much younger self and where I would have jumped aboard that thought train though Nah, I used to be a sysadmin, hence the picture reply. Ruggan posted:Please stop. Nah, I'm good. You'll deal. And I think the reason why some white people are so concerned about the blowback is because it's honestly and clearly some racist poo poo they have done or can see themselves doing and don't understand why they can't be wildly offensive as gently caress anymore and an affront on their freedoms.
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I grew up on bill o'reilly 