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Trapick
Apr 17, 2006

Those costumes are racist, but I think the prof should have taken her chances with a vandalism charge rather than shelling out $1500 she's clearly never going to get back.

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PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

In other fun news, somebody was surprised to learn that the religious homeschooling she received, was in fact, worthless. In the process, she nails the problem exactly:

quote:

A graduate of a recently-shuttered Christian home-schooling organization says government needs to introduce stronger legislation to protect students.

Bari Miller took classes at home from Grades 2 to 12 with Wisdom Home Schooling, a third-party affiliate with a Cold Lake Christian private school called Trinity.

Like all home-school parents across Alberta are required to do, her parents registered with a school board, created a lesson plan for her and had that plan assessed by licensed teachers.

What she didn't know at the time was that the supervisory organization her parents had chosen, Wisdom Home Schooling, was not registered with or accredited by the provincial government.

Diploma questions

It was not until she started applying to post-secondary schools that she realized the transcripts she earned through Wisdom were not recognized by the universities she wanted to attend.

"To me, it was a meaningless, worthless piece of paper," Miller said.

She described how disappointed she was when her application to the University of Calgary was denied. She had fresh questions about the instruction she had received at home.

"It was combined with a lot of biblical analysis and I really didn't learn any science that would be acceptable to a lot of Canadian universities," she said. "I was told that evolution didn't happen, and just a lot of things that I think didn't prepare me for the real world or for university."

Pupil precedents

The province shuttered Wisdom Home Schooling this week over alleged financial irregularities. Wisdom denies the allegations, and says the financial system wherein the registered Trinity Christian School allegedly transferred millions in public funds to Wisdom — an organization with which the government claims it had no legal relationship — was "neither illegal nor deceptive."

Alberta Education said it will provide the findings of its financial review to the Canada Revenue Agency and to the RCMP so those agencies can determine if further investigation is warranted.

The government's concerns are not only related to finances, however. In a letter to Trinity's board chair Tuesday, Alberta Education said the decision was made because Trinity "has failed to appropriately supervise its home education program." In a statement Tuesday, Wisdom also denied this claim, pointing out that Trinity has been in operation for 21 years and was established by government mandate in 1997.

While critics re-opened the debate of whether public funds should be used for private education, the province's own precedent on home-schooling may make it difficult to discern whether claims of wrongdoing could be justified.

Freedom and oversight

Prior to September 2016, department records show there were five supervising school authorities that used a third-party contractor to deliver home-schooling — the same model questioned by Alberta Education in its recent decision.

There are also no rules about what children are taught at home, even with regular supervision. Alberta's Home Education Regulation stipulates only that parents develop an education program, and that the supervising school authority accept that program.


The regulation does not require that a home-schooling program developed by a parent follow provincial education standards, or include information that would prepare students to write provincial or standardized exams.

School-awarded diploma marks and/or transcripts with grades are the main tools universities say they use to evaluate admission.

A spokesperson with Alberta Education described the prerequisites. "In order to obtain a final mark on an Alberta transcript for a course that has a diploma exam, a home education student must write the diploma exam and have a school-awarded mark submitted by the supervising school/authority," wrote Jeremy Nolais.

"In courses that do not have a diploma exam, a student's transcript will show a school-awarded mark submitted by the supervising school/authority."

A question of authority


He went on to explain that Wisdom Home Schooling did not have such authority. Wisdom refutes that claim, saying in a statement "education has arbitrarily determined that the work of WISDOM is not the work of Trinity. All allegations are based upon this false assumption."

Roughly 2,000 people have signed a petition asking the government to allow Wisdom to continue to operate.

Bari Miller, on the other hand, said her own negative experiences in the system suggest something needs to change.

"It's frustrating. Why should something that is not accredited exist? I don't understand how that makes it any different from your kids just not going to school," she said.

Miller took introductory courses at college and was eventually admitted to the University of Calgary. She is now doing her Master of Political Science at the University of Ottawa.

"Home-school your kids, that's fine. But there has to be regulation in place so we can actually function in the world once we graduate."

Why indeed?

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

CLAM DOWN posted:

I honestly don't think you understand how racism works.

Break it down for me, I have an open mind.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Break it down for me, I have an open mind.

Jesus loving christ, please don't tell me we have to discuss why blackface and related concepts are offensive ITT.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

PT6A posted:

Jesus loving christ, please don't tell me we have to discuss why blackface and related concepts are offensive ITT.

I'm p. sure Ikantski is not literally asking "how is this racist?", he's baiting people into exposing the inconsistencies in whatever their personal take on the issue is, so that he can go "ah ha!" and make some point about relative values or something. It's not like this is the first time this has happened here.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
I wish it wasn't racist to wear war bonnets because they look cool as poo poo. On the other hand I think wearing woad and the valknut are racist now too so I can't do that either. Thanks, racists 8(

flashman
Dec 16, 2003

Oh no my William Wallace costume is racist?

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Postess with the Mostest posted:

Break it down for me, I have an open mind.

The fukken puppet master folks, right dere! :lol:

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flashman posted:

Oh no my William Wallace costume is racist?

Unfortunately due to a certain logical fallacy it is impossible to be Scottish enough to wear a William Wallace costume

Vintersorg posted:

The fukken puppet master folks, right dere! :lol:

Charitably, consider it a prompt to move from performative wokeness to a more robust discussion of the issue.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

On a related note, this owns

https://twitter.com/ivortossell/status/793125931254677504

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

GENDERED SLUR posted:

On the other hand I think wearing woad and the valknut are racist now too so I can't do that either. Thanks, racists 8(

They're racist now because only racists wear them. Take back your heritage!

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
goddamn, if someone had told me when I was young that the next acceptable framework of rationality would be to look at every issue in a complete vacuum of cultural and historical context, I would have slammed my copy of The End of Faith shut and said good day to you, sir!

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

THC posted:

Literally the only thing you loving progressives got us by strategically electing this government is a tax cut for people earning 200k

Some of those people are very nice. Can't you just be happy for them?

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

the bigger child tax benefit has helped my poorer clients a little bit :shrug:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Subjunctive posted:

Some of those people are very nice. Can't you just be happy for them?

If they were dead and their assets redistributed to society, sure. :commissar:

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

I'm p. sure Ikantski is not literally asking "how is this racist?", he's baiting people into exposing the inconsistencies in whatever their personal take on the issue is, so that he can go "ah ha!" and make some point about relative values or something. It's not like this is the first time this has happened here.

I think of racism as actively or passively thinking your race is superior or one or more other races are inferior. I don't understand this expanded definition that includes everyone who wears a pocahontas costume and it seemed pretty obvious to a bunch of people here so I didn't think it'd be a huge deal to explain. Also, I wanted to post chiefselfieredfacephotoop.jpg. Happy halloween everybody.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Rime posted:

If they were dead and their assets redistributed to society, sure. :commissar:

You first.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I think of racism as actively or passively thinking your race is superior or one or more other races are inferior. I don't understand this expanded definition that includes everyone who wears a pocahontas costume and it seemed pretty obvious to a bunch of people here so I didn't think it'd be a huge deal to explain. Also, I wanted to post chiefselfieredfacephotoop.jpg. Happy halloween everybody.

Here's a hint: it's not mocking it like a halloween costume when you're wearing it at a ceremony where you were given it by actual Native leaders. JFC.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Rime posted:

If they were dead and their assets redistributed to society, sure. :commissar:

What's your second-best offer?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
80%

And we'll only hobble you.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Subjunctive posted:

What's your second-best offer?

Taxed higher and although they'll grumble and not understand why or how it happened, society around them would get a little bit more pleasant as there'd be slightly less homeless people or violent crime or hospital waits.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Baronjutter posted:

Taxed higher and although they'll grumble and not understand why or how it happened, society around them would get a little bit more pleasant as there'd be slightly less homeless people or violent crime or hospital waits.

I wouldn't grumble at all. Those are worthy things to tax for.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Baronjutter posted:

Taxed higher and although they'll grumble and not understand why or how it happened, society around them would get a little bit more pleasant as there'd be slightly less homeless people or violent crime or hospital waits.

Even at 200k they're already insulated from that. They don't live or work in those neighbourhoods and they have good insurance and the option to pay for private care.

Subjunctive posted:

I wouldn't grumble at all. Those are worthy things to tax for.

You're one of the good ones, etc., etc.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Nov 1, 2016

gentle pete
Feb 21, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo

Arivia posted:

Here's a hint: it's not mocking it like a halloween costume when you're wearing it at a ceremony where you were given it by actual Native leaders. JFC.

In related news here's Justin Trudeau's halloween costume



:whitewater:

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

https://twitter.com/channay/status/793173395798122501

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007





Well.....it's a great costume!

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Yeah guys it's just a caricature, it's not like he decided not to sell them weapons they can use to murder civilians or anything.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I think of racism as actively or passively thinking your race is superior or one or more other races are inferior. I don't understand this expanded definition that includes everyone who wears a pocahontas costume and it seemed pretty obvious to a bunch of people here so I didn't think it'd be a huge deal to explain. Also, I wanted to post chiefselfieredfacephotoop.jpg. Happy halloween everybody.

Waubgeshig Rice's twitter is great for stuff like this

https://twitter.com/waub/status/793199066935136256

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I think of racism as actively or passively thinking your race is superior or one or more other races are inferior. I don't understand this expanded definition that includes everyone who wears a pocahontas costume and it seemed pretty obvious to a bunch of people here so I didn't think it'd be a huge deal to explain. Also, I wanted to post chiefselfieredfacephotoop.jpg. Happy halloween everybody.

To expand a bit, based on my own limited understanding. Dressing up as a caricature of an identifiable minority is a problem because it dehumanizes people belonging to that group and helps reinforce/normalize the negative stereotypes that created or are associated with that caricature in the first place.

Even if you don't find it offensive, if members of the group being caricatured do, then it's still a dick move.

You can argue it's not your job to avoid offending people, but intentionally doing things you know offends people for your own gratification probably crosses a line.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



We used to dress up in faux native garb in cub scouts and for Halloween and none of the zero first Nations kids I know complained so it must be ok.

vyelkin posted:

Trudeau has restored our international reputation and ability to smugly condescend to Americans so idgaf about what his policies actually are

- 64% of Canadians

John Tory's approval rating is about 70% mainly because he's not Rob Ford. Then again Ford was well above 60% before his scandals started and Tory is quite possibly an even shittier mayor so abandon all hope.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
I'm with ikantski here, y'all are sjw prudes

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

eXXon posted:

We used to dress up in faux native garb in cub scouts and for Halloween and none of the zero first Nations kids I know complained so it must be ok.


John Tory's approval rating is about 70% mainly because he's not Rob Ford. Then again Ford was well above 60% before his scandals started and Tory is quite possibly an even shittier mayor so abandon all hope.

Tory's approval rating is so high because people are just never or too rarely told that he's lovely or how, same with Ford.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Some of you guys have your heads so far up your asses these days you can't tell the difference between blackface performance and dressing up like a native American for Halloween and that's pretty loving sad.

I bet you also call the Blackhawks logo racist.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
glad we got the resident winnipeg hick on here telling us what is and isnt racist

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

EvilJoven posted:

Some of you guys have your heads so far up your asses these days you can't tell the difference between blackface performance and dressing up like a native American for Halloween and that's pretty loving sad.

I bet you also call the Blackhawks logo racist.

Please tell me about what you think about the Washington Redskins. :allears:

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Well considering the fact that redskin has wide use as a derogatory term for a native individual I'm not terribly fond of it.

Unlike Blackhawk, which I've never heard of being used as a derogatory term.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Sep 9, 2022

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
The Cleveland Indians have a bad name, and a reaaaaallly bad logo/mascot.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 9, 2022

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
The poo poo eating grin Indian logo is actually pretty loving insulting looking.

But the 'hawks? Come on. Drop 'being offended by things' from your list of hobbies for the winter then come back and take another look at it in the spring.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
I guess we can ignore the calls to rename the Edmonton Eskimos considering that the CFL will be dead in less than a decade.

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Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

EvilJoven posted:

The poo poo eating grin Indian logo is actually pretty loving insulting looking.

But the 'hawks? Come on. Drop 'being offended by things' from your list of hobbies for the winter then come back and take another look at it in the spring.

Nobody mentioned the blackhawks before you showed up, and you're still the only person who has. Please explain to us why dressing up as a native american for halloween isn't racist.

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