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Josh Lyman posted:William falls in love with Delores, she dies/gets reset and doesn't remember him, he can't get over the loss, starts a company named Delos after Delores (no re), buys/saves the park, becomes MiB, trying to figure out how to actualize Delores to restore her old personality he fell in love with. I don't get why such theories are even considered if one actually watches the show and can see what the characters do and say. The MiB doesn't show real empathy towards the hosts and even tells us stories what he had done to them in the past, not to mention how he interacted with Dolores in the very first episode. Does any of that portray a relationship with her that goes beyond simple familarity? That's what is so infuriating about the whole two time frame theory, it ignores the actual characters and the story that is told and is then replaced with random speculation and made up backstories.
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Sardonik posted:MiB Rapes Delores in the first episode Don't we not see what he does with her in there? He is either dragging her in there to torture her to get maze information or just to give her the gun, I think.
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Oct 31, 2016 22:26
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The Yellow Ant posted:In a world where choosing between a white hat and a black hat is the first decision of consequence, Dolores is given a grey hat. Yeah I noticed that too  love it. (Was it grey or brown? Either way, it was intentionally ambiguous as to her role)
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Oct 31, 2016 22:31
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Bicyclops posted:Don't we not see what he does with her in there? He is either dragging her in there to torture her to get maze information or just to give her the gun, I think. Correct we did not actually see what went down inside the barn between MiB and Dolores. Zaphod42 posted:Yeah I noticed that too Yup, like I said, they are loving with us. The audience that is.
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Oct 31, 2016 22:33
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Skizzzer posted:Delos = Delores NO RES Wouldn't it be Dolos then?
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Oct 31, 2016 22:35
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Delorean.
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No Pants posted:Wouldn't it be Dolos then? De- low res.
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Oct 31, 2016 22:56
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Carbon dioxide posted:De- low res.
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Josh Lyman posted:I agree that's very silly, but then when are the Bernard/Dolores interviews taking place and why is she clothed in them unlike every other interview? Oh poo poo, well now I've got a new (maybe old) theory that explains this better than the timeline theory. "Where are you?" "I'm in a dream." We assume that's bullshit because in most cases it is bullshit. What makes the most sense is if in her case, it's not bullshit; those interviews really are a host version of a dream, left there by the creator. Bicyclops posted:Don't we not see what he does with her in there? He is either dragging her in there to torture her to get maze information or just to give her the gun, I think. Yep, I totally believe that from what I've seen of current MiB he'd not have time for that poo poo. He almost definitely scalped her, just like he almost definitely scalped the hooker in front of her child to get the child to give info (just like what happened before, and how he'd know it'd work). Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Oct 31, 2016 23:16
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Was this the first episode Teddy didn't eat total poo poo in? Things are looking up for ol' Teddy!
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Oct 31, 2016 23:27
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Since that thing Ford said in this episode are we going to talk about the three timelines theory here or what?
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FogHelmut posted:Still no evidence of two timelines. Yes there is retard
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No Pants posted:Wouldn't it be Dolos then? Ah gently caress have I been misspelling her name the whole time? Whatever, it doesn't disprove anything because you can't trust reality.
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Oct 31, 2016 23:30
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Yeah, it's Dolores. Like, dolor. As in, sadness/sorrow/grief. Seemingly she grieves a lot as a robot lady who has her family murdered on a fairly frequent basis.
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Oct 31, 2016 23:36
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What if the black bartender robot was pouring wrong because his magnum dong was hanging weird? The extra weight was probably throwing his balance off. Maybe she just needed to rearrange that poo poo for him, get it hanging true north. Of course with her scrawny little arms she'd probably need to bring the Bagger 288 in to help her shift it.
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Oct 31, 2016 23:47
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Abner Assington posted:Yeah, it's Dolores. 
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Grem posted:Was this the first episode Teddy didn't eat total poo poo in? Things are looking up for ol' Teddy! He nearly bled to death, and survived only because of a dirty bucket transfusion of Lawrence blood. I'm not sure that's 'up' exactly.
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Zaphod42 posted:He nearly bled to death, and survived only because of a dirty bucket transfusion of Lawrence blood. I'm not sure that's 'up' exactly. well he did a kickass knifegrab and was restored to full HP after Ford cast Cure Light Wounds
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Blind Rasputin posted:Since that thing Ford said in this episode are we going to talk about the three timelines theory here or what? I am strongly in favor of this theory. Bernard is either a clone of Arnold or an robot version of Arnold, and the Bernard/Delores conversations are actually flashback Arnold/Delores conversations, which convinces him to try and turn hosts sentient and shut down the park.
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Oct 31, 2016 23:55
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The main thing that makes me think William isn't the man in black is that I don't buy that the robots would be the same 30 odd years later. There's absolutely no difference between Dolores with William and with the man in black, and we've also seen Lawrence and the two prostitutes interact with both William and the man in black. I don't think it makes sense that everything would be exactly the same 30 years later, given that they've made a point of showing us how much their robot tech improved and how often they discard robots or change their stories up. They even told us specifically that Dolores is the ONLY one still around from 34 years ago, so whatever we're seeing William do it definitely can't be the lead up to the Arnold incident. In William's story that has to have already happened.
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Nov 1, 2016 00:11
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MiB states in this episode that when he first came to the park, the hosts were machinery inside. I thought that was interesting. Maeve host's journey to realize what the hell is going on is a lot more interesting than Dolores Ed Harris really is a joy to watch on screen
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What kind of annoys me about the show, thinking about it, is the ambiguity created specifically by the editing. Or, perhaps what I mean is the potential I see for the editing to be "actively" misleading or unclear. Namely,
LinkesAuge posted:I don't get why such theories are even considered if one actually watches the show and can see what the characters do and say. The MiB doesn't show real empathy towards the hosts and even tells us stories what he had done to them in the past, not to mention how he interacted with Dolores in the very first episode. Does any of that portray a relationship with her that goes beyond simple familarity? To be clear, I am... uh.. "against" the two timelines theory (like I guess it could be true, but I would be disappointed and my first reaction would be "ugh, really?"). I think it'd be stupidly convoluted to make work. DirtyRobot fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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My point here isn't that these things are bad. They're not. I like them. I eat that poo poo up. But they mean that ambiguity in the editing becomes... excessive.
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LinkesAuge posted:I don't get why such theories are even considered if one actually watches the show and can see what the characters do and say. The MiB doesn't show real empathy towards the hosts and even tells us stories what he had done to them in the past, not to mention how he interacted with Dolores in the very first episode. Does any of that portray a relationship with her that goes beyond simple familarity? I think MiB actually does have a level of empathy, even respect, for the hosts.His interactions with them go a little bit beyond roleplaying a badass cowboy for his own amusement, or just shooting and raping for the hell of it. He even suggests a few times (talking to Lawrence in the stagecoach and Escaton in the jail cell) that he sees himself on a mission to save, or uplift the hosts somehow. He's just well aware of their expendable nature (because they come right back again with no memories) and is quite happy to do horrible things to them where it advances his motives. And I think his level of respect changes depending on how advanced he thinks a particular host is. He's super interested in Dolores, likes hanging out with Lawrence, was kind of starry-eyed over Armistice, thought Escaton was initially too focus-grouped but quickly came around to him, and thinks Teddy is a laughable simpleton.
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Yeah it's really clear that the show writers are intentionally doing this, viewers are not just theorizing wildly
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Maybe we're supposed to think it's two timelines and the twist will be that it's not.
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Gynecolojustice posted:MiB states in this episode that when he first came to the park, the hosts were machinery inside. I thought that was interesting. Well they showed it in the young Hopkins flashback.
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William a MiB who cares? Bernard a robot who cares? How it make story better and not make feel like gimmicky twist that waste time? ~The True Biggest Mystery~ Bravo Nolan
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The twist to the Two Dolores theory is that there's a Dolores and a Delores.
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"I'd need a shovel" I really like how hard MiB went on declaring who was the real soul behind WestWorld. Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:How do you cast that actor? What does the casting call look like? Looking for fit black men 20-35 willing to do full nudity. Not a scene to grow into.
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Sorry whyd you link a picture of Doloras, Maiev, Barnerd, and Teddie?
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If the show runners were better nerds they would've named the corporation Dolos for Dolores no re
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We're supposed to think Dolores is off of her loop, but maybe she is on a new expanded loop that Ford has given to her, which would explain the camera jumps on the train and flashbacks. When Dolores sits down to draw the tarot cards, her table is blank. She pulls a single card (the maze) but it is now actually the second card (there is already some sort of knight card in front of her, I'm assuming William is said knight). Maybe the next time she loops around to this town she'll pull a final card that just says kill all humans.
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Junkfist posted:William a MiB who cares? Youre a fag
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Danger posted:The giant bird that hurley saw was the smoke monster Dont forget Ana Lucia being "stabbed." I still wake up at night in cold sweats over that poo poo. I think that the timelines are being presented to us in a way that we wont/cant know for certain until they actually spell it out to the audience. When Lawrence showed up perfectly healthy after MiB dangled and drained him I was almost certain the writers were trolling us. It throws a big wrench into disproving the multiple era theory. It was like the whole Hilary email thing this last weekend. You think you've got everything figured out and BAM! FBI director throws poo poo in the conspiracy fire. For the record, I admire the desire for there to be a twist but to assume that there will be one and to contort scenes into a "twist-vision" is tiring and ultimately a disservice to good storytelling. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... then again
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Shannon was stabbed. Ana Lucia fired the knife.
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Gynecolojustice posted:MiB states in this episode that when he first came to the park, the hosts were machinery inside. I thought that was interesting. You could see that in Ford's flashback a couple episodes ago. They were grafting skin onto the mechanical hosts.
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Are you all not entertained?
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Gordon Shumway posted:You could see that in Ford's flashback a couple episodes ago. They were grafting skin onto the mechanical hosts. Seems hard to pump that kinda mechanical body full of nitro but this is really in the weeds
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VendaGoat posted:Are you all not entertained? I mean a little less over time tbh.
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