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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

C.H.O.M.E posted:

We live in a world where you can LEASE TIRES FOR YOUR CAR.

What do they even do with the old used up tires when the lease is over

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Killstick
Jan 17, 2010

C.H.O.M.E posted:

If repo'ing electronics were not worth it, Aaron's and other Renton to own bottom feeders wouldn't exist.

We live in a world where you can LEASE TIRES FOR YOUR CAR.

Wait so, you're expected to return them at the end of the lease? Fees for too much wear?

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop
http://mobile.rentawheel.com/how-it-works

quote:


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Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Breetai posted:

Following the link on my Android device led me to a massive browser hijack and fake virus warning.

Problem discovered. Tested this on iOS and the site loaded as it should. Your device may be infected.

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

C.H.O.M.E posted:

If repo'ing electronics were not worth it, Aaron's and other Renton to own bottom feeders wouldn't exist.

I thought those places could just turn around and rent-to-own repo'd electronics/furniture/whatever to some other sucker.

Spring Heeled Jack
Feb 25, 2007

If you can read this you can read
I sleepily looked at this thread title and thought it had been changed to "We're all just doomed!"

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
Well that's not incorrect.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

Killstick posted:

Wait so, you're expected to return them at the end of the lease? Fees for too much wear?

No, you're expected to shop on payment, and sign up thinking it's a normal payment plan so you can keep your car on the road. Then, when you hit the end of the lease, you can't afford not to pay the buyout charge.

There's a company that specializes in this. They'll let you lease pets, car repairs, and even medical devices. Notice that they're not interested in anything people would be willing to give up at the end of a lease term.

Of course, they're not responsible for customers who fail to read the fine print, and if any unscrupulous salespeople push the plan without explaining how it differs from ordinary credit, it would be unfair to hold them responsible. They're just a humble cutting edge fintech startup, specializing in helping people afford the things they need!

No matter how bad the "alternative lending" market seems, they'll find a new way to be even worse than you thought.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Space Gopher posted:

There's a company that specializes in this. They'll let you lease pets, car repairs, and even medical devices. Notice that they're not interested in anything people would be willing to give up at the end of a lease term.

Of course, they're not responsible for customers who fail to read the fine print, and if any unscrupulous salespeople push the plan without explaining how it differs from ordinary credit, it would be unfair to hold them responsible. They're just a humble cutting edge fintech startup, specializing in helping people afford the things they need!

God drat, I forgot about these guys. I remember them being linked in this thread a long time ago. That this is even legal is amazing, but even more amazing (and sad) is that enough people are so desperate and naive that they get suckered into it.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

C.H.O.M.E posted:

If repo'ing electronics were not worth it, Aaron's and other Renton to own bottom feeders wouldn't exist.

Rent-to-own customers are very price insensitive. They'll overpay even for used items. So Aaron's can rent a $700 TV for one year, pocket $900, repo it, and then lease it out again for the same price.

Do they sell mattresses? Because that sounds horrible.

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

Krispy Kareem posted:

Rent-to-own customers are very price insensitive. They'll overpay even for used items. So Aaron's can rent a $700 TV for one year, pocket $900, repo it, and then lease it out again for the same price.

Do they sell mattresses? Because that sounds horrible.

That reminds me of the SA classic, Stories from Rent-to-Own.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Krispy Kareem posted:

Rent-to-own customers are very price insensitive. They'll overpay even for used items. So Aaron's can rent a $700 TV for one year, pocket $900, repo it, and then lease it out again for the same price.

Do they sell mattresses? Because that sounds horrible.

It's the same logic that sets the price point on services like Spotify or Netflix - Everyone can afford $10/month. It amazes me how many subscription services people are on these days. (Myself included.)

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
So what you're saying is that Lowtax needs to turn SA membership into a $10 monthly subscription. Someone get him on this.

overdesigned
Apr 10, 2003

We are compassion...
Lipstick Apathy
$2 monthly. It's a steal!

BloodBag
Sep 20, 2008

WITNESS ME!



The whole point of rent-to-own tire/wheel shops is to snag suckers that want to put the latest popular size rimz (20's, 22's, 24's on the truck DAS NASTY!) on their clapped out '98 buick LeSabre so they can get pussy at the club. The people that go for that poo poo are why you see older domestics with the 22" and DUB stickers on the side of an otherwise stock car. Because their rims got repo'd. And then the car got towed back to the buy here pay here lot because the owner lost their job at popeye's or spent all their check on the latest iPhone over at cricket.

Source: Live in one of the ghettos of Houston. You see Aaron's trucks driving around here all the time too.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
Weird, the minute I opened this page my dog started going nuts. What is it boy?

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Weird, the minute I opened this page my dog started going nuts. What is it boy?

Accurate

Good dog

Bad racist

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Weird, the minute I opened this page my dog started going nuts. What is it boy?

No see he lives there so it's OK

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop
Don't donk and slab shame.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Do they have refrigerators too?

e: beaten, should have :f5:'d harder

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX
Dogs can smell really abstract stuff like when a stroke is about to happen so no reason why they can't smell racism.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time
Repo won't work out that well for Best Buy because their customers want to buy new poo poo at normal retail prices and a TV is not one of those things that you skip the light bill to pay like with a car. Aarons' customers are there because they don't qualify for normal credit and don't habe many other choices to get financing. I have looked at a lot of credit applications for payday loan customers who apply for normal credit to see if they can get it, and Aaron's accounts are a common thing to see. A lot of tese people have credit so crappy that you start to understand the triple digit interest rates; with the default rates they are up against you have to have high rates to compensate and turn a profit. A lot of these people also have a cashflow problem. Car loans are a little easier since they want to keep the car so they can work.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Zo posted:

Dogs can smell really abstract stuff like when a stroke is about to happen so no reason why they can't smell racism.

"Dog whistle"

Colin Mockery
Jun 24, 2007
Rawr



NancyPants posted:

"Dog whistle"

My second-favorite reddit gimmick account was racism_sniffing_dog, who communicated entirely in barks, whines, and growls, but still drove racists nuts.

(My first-favorite was treats_men_like_women .)

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Weird, the minute I opened this page my dog started going nuts. What is it boy?

lol

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Colin Mockery posted:

My second-favorite reddit gimmick account was racism_sniffing_dog, who communicated entirely in barks, whines, and growls, but still drove racists nuts.

(My first-favorite was treats_men_like_women .)

I love this.

Switchback
Jul 23, 2001

quote:

I know this sounds crazy. It is crazy, but it is real. My uncle has owned multiple exotic animals in his time (a lion and a bear) and has a permit to own those animals in another state. A friend of his in this exotic animal world has had a litter of lion cubs and "owes [my uncle] a favor" and he wants to GIVE ME A LION. I don't want a lion. I can't have a lion. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to have one in Kentucky. He may have already paid for this lion, and he is serious and adamant I need to have this lion cub. I thought he was joking. He was not.

I am desperately hoping we can convince him how horrible of an idea it would be if he actually delivers the lion, but just in case, how do I get rid of a lion?! What would I be facing, legally, if I suddenly were in possession of one? What would happen to him if he were caught in Kentucky with the lion?
This whole situation sounds inevitably expensive no matter what. A litter of lion cubs LOL

Switchback
Jul 23, 2001

This whole thread is pretty funny:

quote:

Let's talk Kentucky Lion Laws. ("Did you say 'lemon laws?'" "No, I did not.")

Unless you're a zoo, a licensed preserve, or the lion serves a medical necessity (I would pay good money to see you take your Emotional Support Lion to work), you can't have one. If you try to have one anyway, expect the local constabulary to be quite displeased with you.

OP posted:

Ha, I'm actually in graduate school getting a doctorate in Psychology, and one of my cohorts suggested training it to be a "therapy lion."

Thing is, though, I don't want the lion and am trying to not have one. My uncle has said he will drop the lion off (I believes he thinks when I see it I'll fall head over heels for this dangerous, expensive creature). What happens if he does and I have to spend time trying to get rid of it? Word spreads quickly and WHEN the police find out soon after the fact what happens? A fine? Would they take the lion off my hands (please)?


This bestoflegaladvice thread has some good stories like this:

quote:

My grandma once gave me a monkey, Nastiest little poo poo ever. We donated it, cage and all, to a local nature center when the weather got cold. These days, I don't even understand people keeping raccoons or ferrets or sugargliders. THEY ARE WILD ANIMALS!

(even my supposedly domesticated cat sent me to the ER for IV antibiotics when she bit me. I know she's had her shots, can you imagine in if that had been a raccoon?)
....
My dad built a huge cage for it. I'm impressed that my parents even entertained the notion of keeping a monkey. I think it was a spider monkey or squirrel monkey (I was only 11 at the time, I saved my baby cousin from drowning, my grandma said she'd give me anything I wanted. Like an idiot, I said I wanted a monkey. If I'd been a few years older, I would have asked for a camaro or a mustang)

No, it didn't fling poo, but it did bite the poo poo out of me. He was only happy when I fed him bananas.

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002
I would seriously love to see someone try to use the "therapy/emotional support animal" thing to challenge laws regarding exotic pets. Though preferably not with a lion - the glaring safety issues would probably get that case tossed out quickly. The ideal candidate would be something like a skunk or prairie dog - something that would trigger the "wild animals shouldn't be peta" reaction from a lot of people, but capable of being socialized to where it could legitimately serve as a therapy animal.

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

Cockmaster posted:

I would seriously love to see someone try to use the "therapy/emotional support animal" thing to challenge laws regarding exotic pets. Though preferably not with a lion - the glaring safety issues would probably get that case tossed out quickly. The ideal candidate would be something like a skunk or prairie dog - something that would trigger the "wild animals shouldn't be peta" reaction from a lot of people, but capable of being socialized to where it could legitimately serve as a therapy animal.

As it turns out the law is actually pretty crisp and any establishment open to the public who knows the law will tell you to get your loving stupid lion out and call the cops on you.

ADA requires allowing service animals where members of the public are allowed, and explicitly draws a distinction between a "service animal" and "therapy/emotional support animals". While HIPAA does mean people don't have to tell you why they have a service animal, they do have to identify it as a service animal, and be able to tell you what service the animal is providing. The animal has to remain leashed at all times while being permitted as a service animal. I had to find all this poo poo out because I used to run event security at an event where dogs were banned but people tried to use this loophole to get them in anyway because people are poo poo.

Basically the whole therapy/emotional support loophole only works because people don't know the law and don't want to get on the wrong side of it.

According to the ADA, the only animals that can be service animals are dogs and miniature horses

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Foxes are practically begging to be domesticated. This is the perfect time to start a therapy fox business.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Dwight Eisenhower posted:

According to the ADA, the only animals that can be service animals are dogs and miniature horses

:rip: Li'l Sebastian.

He may have been li'l, but his heart was anything but li'l.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
Someone made the good point that owning an illegal lion could cause issues with the OP getting his psych license, among other problems...

quote:

"Mrs. Jones, i have good news and bad for you. The good first. little Johnny no longer suffers from fear of large mammals and will no longer wet the bad. The bad news, regrettably, is that our therapy lion unfortunately..."

Edit - haha found this one buried at the bottom

quote:

I have a legitimate, crippling fear of antelopes, buffaloes, and zebras. My emotional support Lion protects me from these creatures.

Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Nov 2, 2016

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Dwight Eisenhower posted:

miniature horses

Apparently they're really good at it too from what I hear, and who doesn't want an adorable lil' clip clop with them all the time :3:

I mean I don't but at least it's not a lion

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Someone made the good point that owning an illegal lion could cause issues with the OP getting his psych license, among other problems...


Edit - haha found this one buried at the bottom

There's a big cat rescue near where I grew up and people would just like, take pet lions there that got too big when they realized "oh wait owning a lion is a really loving stupid idea" and they'd accept the lion no questions asked, seems like you'd be able to just drop it off at a place like that or a zoo or something in a little basket, knock on the door and speed away.

e: Like I hope there's a path to give up the lion "properly" that results in you getting amnesty from the no lion laws because otherwise people would just shoot the drat things if they thought they couldn't get rid of them without getting arrested :ohdear:

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
There was a Netflix documentary on this weird dude who owned lions, and the owners of exotic pets. The answer is always mental illness.

There's no way that guy would shoot his lion.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

ate all the Oreos posted:

There's a big cat rescue near where I grew up and people would just like, take pet lions there that got too big when they realized "oh wait owning a lion is a really loving stupid idea" and they'd accept the lion no questions asked, seems like you'd be able to just drop it off at a place like that or a zoo or something in a little basket, knock on the door and speed away.

e: Like I hope there's a path to give up the lion "properly" that results in you getting amnesty from the no lion laws because otherwise people would just shoot the drat things if they thought they couldn't get rid of them without getting arrested :ohdear:

It seems like there is, one of the top comments advises contacting the state fish & wildlife board (doing an end run around the municipal wildlife authorities, who might be hungry for an arrest) and arranging for the lion cub to be surrendered directly to them, the OP never taking legal possession.

Another good piece of advice was siccing the authorities on the breeders, since lion breeding is almost certainly illegal and handing off lion cubs without investigating how they'll be cared for definitely is.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Enos Cabell posted:

Foxes are practically begging to be domesticated. This is the perfect time to start a therapy fox business.

The Soviets beat you to it.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

canyoneer posted:

There was a Netflix documentary on this weird dude who owned lions, and the owners of exotic pets. The answer is always mental illness.

There's no way that guy would shoot his lion.

Is it Joe Exotic, because he's running for president and needs your vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc-_7RCFArM

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Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

Dwight Eisenhower posted:

ADA requires allowing service animals where members of the public are allowed, and explicitly draws a distinction between a "service animal" and "therapy/emotional support animals". While HIPAA does mean people don't have to tell you why they have a service animal, they do have to identify it as a service animal, and be able to tell you what service the animal is providing. The animal has to remain leashed at all times while being permitted as a service animal. I had to find all this poo poo out because I used to run event security at an event where dogs were banned but people tried to use this loophole to get them in anyway because people are poo poo.

Basically the whole therapy/emotional support loophole only works because people don't know the law and don't want to get on the wrong side of it.

I wasn't talking about bringing an animal out in public, but simply living with one where the state/county/city normally doesn't allow people to posses that particular species for pet purposes. My understanding is that "therapy/emotional support animals" still must be exempt from apartment/HOA rules which would forbid them, as well as laws prohibiting so-called "dangerous" dog breeds - I was merely wondering if a similar principle might apply with exotic pets (at least the ones that couldn't easily kill someone).

That actually would be a loophole I'd be tempted to exploit - I've been trying to get into a field (robotics) where an awful lot of the cool jobs are in California, yet there are several critters on my list of pets to seriously consider having in my lifetime (things like flying squirrels and prairie dogs - NOT lions or monkeys, mind you) that are forbidden there. Though I'd also have to contend with Silicon Valley housing prices, so gently caress it.

For what it's worth, I remember reading about a family which had gotten a kangaroo as a therapy animal for a girl with Down's syndrome, and successfully fought their HOA in court to keep it. Except that as far as I can tell, that case had nothing to do with the ADA. The HOA had never bothered to enact any rule expressly prohibiting kangaroos, instead assuming that they have the authority to sue anyone doing anything they don't approve of, regardless of what actual rules are in place. Even if you're not into kangaroos, that should serve as a strong argument that HOAs for single-family houses (at least, anything more than the most light-handed HOA presence) are BWM. In previous threads, I've heard stories of them outlawing nearly anything that might serve as a logical reason for wanting a single-family house - working on cars, keeping outdoor pets, even barbecuing.


ate all the Oreos posted:

Apparently they're really good at it too from what I hear, and who doesn't want an adorable lil' clip clop with them all the time :3:

I mean I don't but at least it's not a lion

The big advantage there is they have a longer lifespan than dogs - which translates into big-time GWM when you consider that training any sort of service animal requires tens of thousands of dollars worth of labor.

The down side is that they need a good size backyard to live in when they're not on duty - not an easy thing to come by in most parts of the US where public transportation doesn't suck.

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