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There are responses that outpace encounter cards but there is no action window during the staging phase nor when a shadow card is revealed. Most or all events that interact with shadow cards are responses.
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Megasabin posted:When can events be played in LOTR? Can they played in response to things like in MTG? As in if you have an event that is going to remove health and kill a hero, can you play the healing event to save the hero? http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/66624/clarified-turn-sequence-and-quick-reference-w-faqs I like that player aid for timing windows
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Baron Porkface posted:There are responses that outpace encounter cards but there is no action window during the staging phase nor when a shadow card is revealed. Most or all events that interact with shadow cards are responses. Note that there are Actions which do interact with shadow cards, such as Gandalf's Staff, and those only "work" if the shadow hasn't already done its thing. E.g. Gandalf's Staff can't stop "defending player loses an attachment" since that happens immediately, but it can stop "guy gets +2" or "guy attacks after this" because those only matter later. It is often a good idea to prepare for the staging step by e.g. healing with Warden of Healing ahead of time or somehow giving a resource to a spirit hero to be able to pay for Test of Will, because you don't get an opportunity to play those actions until all the cards are staged (unless an attack occurs in the middle of staging, in which case you can do actions before and after declaring your defender).
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GoT people. LoCR looks like it might enable or introduce some new deck archetypes. Tyrion and an ambush-based deck could be fun. Might flesh out that Leaping Lions deck. Mountains off the moon grants extra icons to push through unexpected challenges. Tywin looks like he might enable a mega pillage deck. Probably banner Kraken? Crown of salt and rock on Asha? What do you guys think?
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ConfusedUs posted:
My plan is to combine these two into something interesting.
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DontMockMySmock posted:but it can stop "guy gets +2" or "guy attacks after this" because those only matter later. I don't see the basis for this. As far as I understand revealing the shadow card and swinging is one motion; and that Gandalf's Staff is primarily useful to discard facedown shadow cards. edit; i guess the player chart says i'm wrong.
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Baron Porkface posted:I don't see the basis for this. As far as I understand revealing the shadow card and swinging is one motion; and that Gandalf's Staff is primarily useful to discard facedown shadow cards. I imagine a lot of people got this wrong, I did for about six months. It also means that when an enemy has their Attack boosted, you can play corresponding Defense increasing abilities. So you can move a Dunedain Warning or wait until you know you need to discard to trigger your Longbeard Sentry.
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Nov 1, 2016 11:09
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Ring-Maker Cycle or LotR Saga?
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I think the campaign boxes are really cool if you're a big fan of the books, but I think the scenarios are more creative in the non-saga cycles.
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I've just drawn 2 Roast 'Em or Boil 'Em, the same turn I was going to engage and kill William. gently caress this game. 
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theroachman posted:Just did my first few test games of LOTR with only the core set. I have tried every deck except tactics so far. Only won one game (leadership), everything else was a loss. Spirit seems strong but I got location swamped. Once the Hummerhorns came out I lost a hero and I threated out real fast. This game is super brutal. Hummerhorns is specifically and deliberately complete bullshit you have to hope to avoid. Lazy, unfun design that they don't 100% get away from unfortunately.
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Looks like FFG is selling a special edition hardcover book about their version of the Arkham setting that includes lots of random things including a pre-release copy of a future Investigator and their personal cards for the Arkham LCG. Kind of strange, but for anyone who is really into the FFG games you might be interested?
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Hmm... for some reason I thought that the LotR Saga was already completed. Any idea how many boxes are left? I'm guessing a total of 6, 2 for each book, but I can't find anything from FFG.
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Fat Samurai posted:Hmm... for some reason I thought that the LotR Saga was already completed. Any idea how many boxes are left? I'm guessing a total of 6, 2 for each book, but I can't find anything from FFG. They haven't decided yet. Depends on how they want to do the scouring of the shire (real box or lovely print on demand supplement), which depends on how bothered the designers are now they have their new toy.
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Cinnamon Bear posted:Looks like FFG is selling a special edition hardcover book about their version of the Arkham setting that includes lots of random things including a pre-release copy of a future Investigator and their personal cards for the Arkham LCG. I'd have bought Worlds of Android if it had a third Desperado 
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After almost two weeks of waiting (my LGS's distributor dropped the ball), I finally have all the Game of Thrones expansions! So many deckbuilding options! In the meantime I threw together some decks from ThronesDb that seemed fun. I'm shying away from Lannister because I dislike playing the most popular faction. Where's the best place to go for GoT strategy talk?
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sassassin posted:They haven't decided yet. Depends on how they want to do the scouring of the shire (real box or lovely print on demand supplement), which depends on how bothered the designers are now they have their new toy. LOL. So you hate all the POD stuff too? How mad are about Mumak riding in Harad?
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BJPaskoff posted:After almost two weeks of waiting (my LGS's distributor dropped the ball), I finally have all the Game of Thrones expansions! So many deckbuilding options! In the meantime I threw together some decks from ThronesDb that seemed fun. I'm shying away from Lannister because I dislike playing the most popular faction. This Facebook group is pretty good, lots of discussion if you scroll past all the products people make and podcast posts. There's seriously like 20 AGoT 2.0 podcasts and they're all loving awful. https://www.facebook.com/groups/agot2ndedition/
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pbpancho posted:LOL. So you hate all the POD stuff too? How mad are about Mumak riding in Harad? ???
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Aren't you the guy that was complaining about the boats in the current cycle? And do you really think the POD quests are lovely?
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Worlds 2016 for AGoT2 is interesting. Here's the top 16: Saman N.B. (Austria) Lanni KoW Tupaq C. (Finland) Bara KoS Henri N. (France) Lanni LotC Sam Braatz (USA - WI) Targ LotC Joe MIrando (USA - NY) Lanni Wolf Ryan Jones (USA - SoCal) Lanni Stag Tomasz F. (Poland) Targ Fealty Brad Norman (USA - NorCal) Lanni KoW S. Simoni (USA - NorCal) NW LotC Brad Emon (USA - WI) NW Lion Giovanni B. F. (Italy) Targ Fealty Carsten P. (Germany) Targ LotC Lucas Sydlaske (USA - SoCal) Bara Watch Alejandro Pantoja (USA - NorCal) Lanni KoW Ryan Wood (UK) NW Fealty Ray Nerpel (USA - TX) Bara KoS Six Lannister Four Targaryen Three Baratheon Three Night's Watch I'm not surprised at all that Lannister and Targ are up there, but I had no idea that Bara and NW were that strong these days. I thought we'd be seeing Stark and maybe Greyjoy instead.
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Nights Watch is the community's favorite to win it all according to the poll FFG did. They got like 40%+ of the vote. I think their gold choke can shut down everyone when it gets rolling, and that probably gives them the edge on Lannister that typically runs more 7 costs than any other house. Lannister was the main faction in decks by a large margin. I'm really surprised to see zero Martell or Greyjoy in the top 16, who are both in a pretty good spot right now.
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I'm not surprised to see NW up there at all. Craven is so freaking annoyingly good. Thoren is also a huge boost to pure defense decks. I think the novelty of the Stark box wore off and people were not impressed with the moving power around theme which sucks if you have no power, or the blowing your guys up to do stuff theme. Greyjoy is not doing well at the moment in my mind. There's too much gold in the meta for them to rush effectively and they're going to be hurting until Valar comes along and they get a solid board wipe that they can save around. Valar reveal, save with Risen and SeaStone Chair to get around 0 claim is going to be some brutal stuff to deal with. Martell needs more tricks on Characters and less event cards. Tyrell needs more tricks in general. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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Tyrell really need some good characters. They have the framework, but no characters to get behind to make it work. Stark sacrifice and Greyjoy LotC are two of my favorite decks, sad to see zero of them in the cut.
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pbpancho posted:Aren't you the guy that was complaining about the boats in the current cycle? And do you really think the POD quests are lovely? I think the pod system would be a lovely way to do the scouring compared to a full box, if that's what you're asking. I have no objection to Mumak riding in the game because Tolkien didn't write about it so it doesn't have specific thematic relevance in the story. I'm not going to buy it because it doesn't interest me at all. By contrast, Adventures on the High Seas is as a concept incongruous with The Lord of the Rings. So I'm mad as hell.
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ConfusedUs posted:Worlds 2016 for AGoT2 is interesting. Here's the top 16: I'm not up on the tournament scene yet. Is this streamed anywhere? Edit: https://www.twitch.tv/ffglive
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Bottom Liner posted:Nights Watch is the community's favorite to win it all according to the poll FFG did. They got like 40%+ of the vote. I think their gold choke can shut down everyone when it gets rolling, and that probably gives them the edge on Lannister that typically runs more 7 costs than any other house. Lannister was the main faction in decks by a large margin. I'm really surprised to see zero Martell or Greyjoy in the top 16, who are both in a pretty good spot right now. Night Watch choke is that good, eh? I've tried it a few times and I guess I'm just bad, because I never felt like I was doing it right. A buddy of mine was the top Martell player, but in the low 20s overall. I can't imagine playing against the people who beat him, because he just destroys everyone he plays locally.
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ConfusedUs posted:Night Watch choke is that good, eh? I've tried it a few times and I guess I'm just bad, because I never felt like I was doing it right. I've been taking various forms of it to tournaments since White Tree came out and it's super good. I don't know if it should be an overwhelming favorite to win but it's definitely top 2 or 3.
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Can you post a list for NW Choke? I'm curious to see how it works since I feel that it would be very dependent on White Tree (and I guess Craven, but I imagine that will get Confiscated super quick).
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It sounds like a lot of people opted out on Confiscation at Worlds though, which is surprising to me (purely anecdotal though, haven't actually seen lists yet). You generally DO expect to see Craven get removed though, at least initially, and I think between Arry and/or Ravens the idea is trying to ensure you have a follow up to really shut them down.
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Merauder posted:It sounds like a lot of people opted out on Confiscation at Worlds though, which is surprising to me (purely anecdotal though, haven't actually seen lists yet). You generally DO expect to see Craven get removed though, at least initially, and I think between Arry and/or Ravens the idea is trying to ensure you have a follow up to really shut them down. I've slowly moved towards other attachment removal (Rattleshirts usually) because Confiscation often feels like a wasted plot to me.
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They had better post deck lists at some point, I want to play test this weekend in prep for my LGS's Battle For The Trident tourney.
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ConfusedUs posted:I've slowly moved towards other attachment removal (Rattleshirts usually) because Confiscation often feels like a wasted plot to me. I want to like Rattleshirts, but they cost a not-inconsiderable 5 and sometimes you want that guarantee that this annoying attachment will get removed. There are just too many conditions around a Rattleshirts, like drawing them, being able to play them, and obviously winning a challenge with them, that make them hard to rely on to remove potentially critical attachments.
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Pinwiz11 posted:They had better post deck lists at some point, I want to play test this weekend in prep for my LGS's Battle For The Trident tourney. They'll all be up on Thronesdb by next week. Rattleshirts is strong if you have a slot for it, but I still really like Confiscation in Targ and Lannister.
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GrandpaPants posted:I want to like Rattleshirts, but they cost a not-inconsiderable 5 and sometimes you want that guarantee that this annoying attachment will get removed. There are just too many conditions around a Rattleshirts, like drawing them, being able to play them, and obviously winning a challenge with them, that make them hard to rely on to remove potentially critical attachments. That was always my feeling about them. They just don't seem consistent enough since typically when there's an attachment you want removed, it's because it's causing serious pain. Also I'd like to see a breakdown of turnout numbers in general. I'm wondering if part of the skew in top 16 isn't just based on what people were playing vs. what's "best". Also I'm not sure how much stock they put into it, but it can't be a good look for FFG from a balance standpoint to have only 4 factions represented in the top 16 (even though there's likely a ton of caveats to the placements).
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I think having 4 of 8 houses in the top 16 is a sign of an INCREDIBLY healthy metagame currently. How many card games see more than 2 or 3 archtypes make a cut at a major event? For 4 different factions, plus differences in Agenda within each changing how each plays (in some cases substantially), I'd say that's pretty awesome. e: Apparently 164 players total. Stark was the second most represented main house in the event, but none made 16. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10108437907522560&set=gm.1306513796028122&type=3&theater Merauder fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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Merauder posted:I think having 4 of 8 houses in the top 16 is a sign of an INCREDIBLY healthy metagame currently. How many card games see more than 2 or 3 archtypes make a cut at a major event? For 4 different factions, plus differences in Agenda within each changing how each plays (in some cases substantially), I'd say that's pretty awesome. Magic frequently does, especially if you go to top 16 (and that's with magic not really having the corollary to factions-colors are kinda it but not really). The times when there's not much variety is when people typically start complaining about the format being stale/stagnant. That said, I think it could be more an appearance thing as I think Martell's still pretty well positioned, and Greyjoy's close to being able to compete (they can still randomly blitz through anyone imo, but it's hard to do that through larger fields with more rounds). And I thought Stark was in a better position but being the second most played house and not cracking top 16 is kinda suspect. I've been saying for a couple months now that I think they need to start looking at a restricted list, although I think Valar should shake things up a bit.
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I don't think the game needs a restricted list yet, and as mentioned the meta is very self-fufilling in this (relatively small) community, but there isn't enough data and the game is so deep that it's hard to really measure power levels this early in the lifespan. Just look at worlds last year where everyone agreed that Martell was the weakest house yet the Martell player won it all. The tournament scene is also unique in that it's a card game but the matches are all best of 1's, increasing variance's role in rankings. I think the 4 main houses in the top 16 is fine, especially since the agenda's are so varied.
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I agree with the meta being somewhat self-fulfilling, but I think there's definitely been enough data at this point to have some clear idea of power level. I don't think it's out of bounds to say that Lanni is easily the best faction, and Tyrell the worst. Also last year at worlds I thought NW and Tyrell were considered the worst-and it's just been recent releases for NW that have boosted them significantly. Also, I don't think agendas being varied really makes much of a difference if those agendas aren't letting other factions compete. If the same 30+ cards are in each deck and they play out the same besides 5-10 cards, it's really not variety. But it's still relatively early and at a point where a couple chapter packs can definitely swing a faction (look at NW, for instance) so I don't think it's too unbalanced, but think it's something that should be monitored.
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Compared to most other competitive card games, it absolutely is. Most deck lists are so standardized that you will see zero variation in a lot of games. That's one of my favorite things about this game actually. The deck building space seems much wider than other games.
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