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The cult stuff is a complex emergent property arising from social and economic factors in both South Korea and Japan. the Komeito party in Japan is basically a front organization for the Soka Gakkai (a cult) and I've read the Communists operate in a very similar way
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Alan Smithee posted:Certainly wouldn't want people blindly following a cult of personality who's actually just some fat gently caress getting fat off the land and not having actual solutions That was intended as a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing, the DPRK is obviously still worse.
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I just heard about this (Here's a link with a detailed explanation) and not even an ungodly mix of  and  would suffice
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icantfindaname posted:The cult stuff is a complex emergent property arising from social and economic factors in both South Korea and Japan. the Komeito party in Japan is basically a front organization for the Soka Gakkai (a cult) and I've read the Communists operate in a very similar way Any more book/journal article recommendations?
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:I just heard about this (Here's a link with a detailed explanation) and not even an ungodly mix of 
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Mister Olympus posted:Any more book/journal article recommendations? Here are a few from quick trawling on the internet. As for the Communists I don't have anything concrete, the history of the political left in Japan postwar is its own giant barrel of worms / rabbit hole probably better left for its own post https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_new_religions http://www2.kokugakuin.ac.jp/ijcc/wp/cpjr/newreligions/inoue.html http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cjs/aba2512.0001.001/--new-religions-of-japan-a-bibliography-of-western-language http://oicd.net/ge/index.php/globalization-new-religions-and-the-contemporary-re-imagining-of-japanese-identity/ quote:What emerges, as Kisala fully documents, is a cultural complex with a set of interestingly interconnected facets: a right-wing (or totally apolitical) political stance; an anti-Americanism fueled by fears of the erosion of Japanese cultural identity by Hollywoodization, and a view of globalization as consisting essentially of US cultural hegemony; a strong internationalism centering on the promotion of world peace; and a distinctively Japanese concept of that peace. This concept of peace can be further broken down by seeing it as consisting of: an amalgam of moral cultivation; a “civilizational” approach to international stability; a strong dose of post A-Bomb victimology; and a spiritual view of world salvation, based for example in the case of Byakko Shinkokai on the idea that the peace prayer links the individual to spiritual forces that enable the overcoming of karma and hence the spiritualization/salvation of all mankind (Kisala 1999, pp.126ff). The structure of this complex is then informed by Occidentalism or “reverse Orientalism” (Kisala 1999: 159) in which the spiritual East is contrasted with the materialistic West in particular ways such as appeals to the Atomic bombing as conferring on Japan a unique moral status as the center of world peace in the postwar era; or where a strong continuity with traditional Japanese nativism is emphasized; or, lastly, where a strong element of religious syncretism is combined with a basically spiritual view of humanity’s salvation and remaking. This cultural complex can be thus seen more accurately as a national mission, and not just for smaller JNRs, but as Kisala shows, also in the larger examples such as Soka Gakkai and Rissho Koseikai, in which the view of Japan’s uniqueness and unique role in the world represent a kind of globalization of nihonjinron, or its translation into a higher register. (note the author has substantial critiques/modifications of the quoted, which is what the rest of the article is) http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2012/07/08/books/book-reviews/new-religions-in-the-land-of-the-rising-sun/ https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-New-Religions-Global-Perspective/dp/1138879118 icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:I just heard about this (Here's a link with a detailed explanation) and not even an ungodly mix of quote:Ms Chung’s education has also become a focus of popular anger, and the subject of a separate investigation: an opposition MP has alleged that Ewha Women’s University, among the country’s most prestigious, gave Ms Chung undeserved grades. Other critics say it changed its rules to help her gain admission in early 2015 (it suddenly began offering extra points to applicants with gold medals in equestrianism). The university’s president, who resigned on October 19th, had also been dogged by months-long protests (one of which is pictured) against a scheme to set up a college of continuing education with government funding, which some believe Ewha won through ties to Ms Choi.
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Imagine L Ron Hubbard loving the President. And this is still ...somehow.... worse Because now, the ferry catastrophe that managed to kill 300 children on L Ron's death-day, might have been a human sacrifice to best korea L Ron. This is now not impossible 
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Everyone involved in this whole disaster/scandal/bizarre cultist conspiracy are really just horrible, disgusting human beings, backwards and forwards. 안철수 must be getting pretty pumped. If this doesn't tank Saenuri then I just don't know what the gently caress.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Imagine L Ron Hubbard loving the President. And this is still ...somehow.... worse jesus gently caress, so is choi still running the cult that elder choi started? my assumption is elder choi used park as an easy way to get money and influence and now his daughter is continuing the legacy.
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What the gently caress. 2016 is the year that keeps on giving when it comes to politics  edit: posted without finishing
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I seem to be having a hard time explaining this one to my friends and classmates. What should I say?
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Grouchio posted:I seem to be having a hard time explaining this one to my friends and classmates. What should I say? Nothing, because going around trying to explain deep political intrigue lasting decades in a country you barely understand isn't helpful.
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Grouchio posted:I seem to be having a hard time explaining this one to my friends and classmates. What should I say?
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Just remember to casually mention that the current president is the daughter of the previous dictator of south korea (since people are unlikely to know how hosed up things were even before this one hit the fan).
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Grouchio posted:I seem to be having a hard time explaining this one to my friends and classmates. What should I say? Rasputin, but in Korea, is the short and easily digestible version.
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Reminder that even before this came to light the fact remained that the Korean public basically elected Korean Stalin's daughter because they wanted Korean Stalin back
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Jazerus posted:Rasputin, but in Korea, is the short and easily digestible version. The only thing the average person knows about Rasputin is that he’s unkillable.
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AnonSpore posted:Reminder that even before this came to light the fact remained that the Korean public basically elected Korean Stalin's daughter because they wanted Korean Stalin back From the article above quote:In fact, one of Park's selling points as the presidential candidate was that she was less likely to be corrupt because she had no family. Her parents--former dictator Park Chung-hee and his wife Yuk Yeong-su--were dead, and she was estranged from her sister and brother. This argument had a modicum of plausibility, since all the previous president's corruption involved their family in some way. (Kim Young-sam and Kim Dae-jung had issues with their sons; Roh Moo-hyun and Lee Myung-bak, their brothers.)
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Being estranged from your only living family sounds like a really weird PR advantage for a politician, from an American perspective.
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http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20161101000001#jyk lol why would you return from two months in exile now?
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AnonSpore posted:Reminder that even before this came to light the fact remained that the Korean public basically elected Korean Stalin's daughter because they wanted Korean Stalin back More like the Korean Shah if Iran somehow became a dysfunctional democracy instead of an islamic theocracy
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So there is like a tradition (cultural concept?) of scholarly dispute/protest in Korean culture called 시국선언 (shi-guk-seon-eok). Recently, universities and student activist groups have been holding what they've been calling 시굿선언 (shi-gut-seon-ok). It's a play on words: 굿 (gut, sounds like guk) is the word for a shamanistic ritual that asks the gods/spirits to intervene in the mortal world during catastrophe or otherwise troubled times. So they're staging mock rituals asking gods to intervene against their poo poo-awful president and her puppetmaster-shaman as protest. Pretty clever! https://www.facebook.com/UNIVtomorrow/videos/1271559769573289/ (starts at 6:30, dancing at 10:00) Here's a video of the one my wife's alma mater hosted yesterday. The school has a really great dance program, so they went all out on the traditional music and dancing. It's really cool. e: good spellin' Pentecoastal Elites fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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If there's one thing that the Koreans get right, aside from their awesome cuisine (bibimbap supremacy), it's protests.
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Yep, Koreans are some pissed crazy motherfuckers all right. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/01/choi-soon-sil-arrested-made-in-south-korean-presidential-cronyism-scandal
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Alan Smithee posted:Iran somehow became a dysfunctional democracy instead of an islamic theocracy It manages to be both!
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Vagabundo posted:If there's one thing that the Koreans get right, aside from their awesome cuisine (bibimbap supremacy), it's protests. I work near the big Government Center in Sejong City and there are protestors outside it all the time.
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Halloween Jack posted:Being estranged from your only living family sounds like a really weird PR advantage for a politician, from an American perspective. Hey, it worked for Obama.
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So, will this topple her, or just make her unelectable in 2017?
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Well, she became unelectable the moment she accepted the presidency. Unless, of course, she was gonna pull some cool trick her dad taught her.
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Phlegmish posted:So, will this topple her, or just make her unelectable in 2017? Term limit. she can't run again, unless I majorly misunderstood something.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Term limit. she can't run again, unless I majorly misunderstood something. Just before this story hit, she was trying to get a bill through that would allow the president to run multiple terms. I guess that's not going to happen now.
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nelson posted:Just before this story hit, she was trying to get a bill through that would allow the president to run multiple terms. I guess that's not going to happen now. It was after the story hit in Korea (it took about a week longer to hit international news) so people were saying it was a deliberate ploy to divert attention away from the scandal.
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AnonSpore posted:It was after the story hit in Korea (it took about a week longer to hit international news) so people were saying it was a deliberate ploy to divert attention away from the scandal. My mistake. Although of all things, more years as president doesn't seem like much of a starter.
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The Kims of North Korea: How myth and propaganda sustain a family dynastyquote:Brian Myers, an analyst of North Korea, said Kim Song-ju assumed the name and identity of the guerrilla leader Kim Il-sung towards the end of the war.
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nelson posted:Just before this story hit, she was trying to get a bill through that would allow the president to run multiple terms. I guess that's not going to happen now. As I remember it, that bill would not apply to the current president.
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Charlz Guybon posted:As I remember it, that bill would not apply to the current president. The article I read was short on details. What's the best English language news source for Korean news?
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nelson posted:The article I read was short on details. What's the best English language news source for Korean news? I usually go here http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/
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