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I like Generic Republican since he's (and he's a he) going to balance the budget, be strong on defense but not make us look stupid or foolish internationally, bring back all the jobs, shake up Washington DC removing all the corrupt people, has no voting history where he had to make tough decisions or compromises, and also has no history saying racist or sexist things. That guy is totally great!HannibalBarca posted:In any case, the VP debate didn't do wonders for my faith in Kaine as an attractive option at the top of the ticket. Yeah luckily VPs really don't matter much outside of Sarah Palin but he would not have done well in a debate against Trump where Trump's just going nuts with absurd lies. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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The Mattybee posted:mcmagic, do you remember how in TFF, you had your one shining moment where everyone went "HOLY poo poo MCMAGIC WAS RIGHT"? I'm actually right a lot. Both in this forum and in others. I'm also wrong sometimes. That is the human condition.
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mcmagic posted:Because they are centrist democrats who either are bad at their job (Booker) or bad at politics (Hillary). Hillary Clinton is the odds-on favorite to become the first woman President of the United States despite being the victim of one of the longest and most sustained attack campaigns ever including several insanely unprecedented thing where despite these lengthy attacks the absolute worse thing they can launch against her is "maybe screwed up email security." If that is bad at politics then what is good at politics?
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I think all of these arguments that "X would've crushed Trump" are maybe too optimistic about the people who are voting for Trump. What if it turns out that a lot of people actually like Trump and aren't just voting for him because Clinton is bad at selling herself as trustworthy?
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HannibalBarca posted:In any case, the VP debate didn't do wonders for my faith in Kaine as an attractive option at the top of the ticket. I really like Kaine but no, he doesn't have the personality and/or experience to lead a presidential ticket.
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mcmagic posted:Untrue and dumb. Are you really desperate enough to try to argue this nonsense? Name a person of color or woman you would prefer over Hillary and why
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ImpAtom posted:Hillary Clinton is the odds-on favorite to become the first woman President of the United States despite being the victim of one of the longest and most sustained attack campaigns ever including several insanely unprecedented thing where despite these lengthy attacks the absolute worse thing they can launch against her is "maybe screwed up email security." No, don't you get it, she's a terrible candidate with a terrible campaign! If I say it often enough, it becomes true!
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Sanders would squeak out a victory against Trump, down-ballot would suffer more than it already is, we get 4 years of deadlock before the GOPe runs a Rubio or Kasich or anyone who isn't a rapist and Sanders would lose without a wide network of party support.
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Mcmagic has been making the same tired points for months now. You're not going to convince him of poo poo. He just wants to come in here, retread the same ground and feel smug.
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AriadneThread posted:perfectly generic object for president 2020 it will be good to see O'Malley again
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mcmagic posted:... or bad at politics (Hillary). I want to know what your objective standard for being good at politics is.
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ImpAtom posted:If that is bad at politics then what is good at politics?
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Deified Data posted:Sanders would squeak out a victory against Trump, down-ballot would suffer more than it already is, we get 4 years of deadlock before the GOPe runs a Rubio or Kasich or anyone who isn't a rapist and Sanders would lose without a wide network of party support. It would be probably the closest thing to a retread of Jimmy Carter, down to the "dude out in one term but he kept his principles".
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As a casual outside observer of US presidential elections since 2000, I get the feeling that Sanders' tax policy would probably cause a majority of Americans to freak the gently caress out and vote for anyone else on the ballot including inanimate objects.
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El Pollo Blanco posted:As a casual outside observer of US presidential elections since 2000, I get the feeling that Sanders' tax policy would probably cause a majority of Americans to freak the gently caress out and vote for anyone else on the ballot including inanimate objects. Yeah pretty much
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CascadeBeta posted:Mcmagic has been making the same tired points for months now. You're not going to convince him of poo poo. He just wants to come in here, retread the same ground and feel smug. He can feel smug all he wants but Bernie would have done worse than Hillary. Imagine replacing everything Hillary speaks from experience on with "I GOT A MILLION YOOTS OUT THERE."
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Endorph posted:having a big strong dick for mcmagic to jelq while thinking about Really, I mean, what if her lady problems and hormones make her start a war with Russia and cut all welfare services?
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FactsAreUseless posted:First, assume a spherical Democrat.... Perfectly spherical democrats That one is for my TFF lurkers you know who you are
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Deified Data posted:Sanders would squeak out a victory against Trump, down-ballot would suffer more than it already is, we get 4 years of deadlock before the GOPe runs a Rubio or Kasich or anyone who isn't a rapist and Sanders would lose without a wide network of party support. Yeah as a Sanders primary supporter this sounds accurate to me.
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Harrow posted:I think all of these arguments that "X would've crushed Trump" are maybe too optimistic about the people who are voting for Trump. What if it turns out that a lot of people actually like Trump and aren't just voting for him because Clinton is bad at selling herself as trustworthy? Pretty much every Republican who has endorsed Trump's main argument to vote for him is "We have to beat Hillary Clinton." That never works on someone like Kaine who doesn't have the 30 year history she does. Mel Mudkiper posted:Name a person of color or woman you would prefer over Hillary and why It feels very "Romney binders full of women" to just list a bunch of minorities and women... I'm sure you can guess who I would mention. Pretty much any democrat who is a national elected and doesn't have her negatives.
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Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball. The formerly first ball becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff. Politics works the same way.
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I'm glad vp seems to be transitioning from "future nominee" to more of a caretaker role. I doubt Kane runs in eight years. Also I'm not a huge fan of Duckworth and am not sure why everyone here is. I don't like "rah rah military" when Republicans do it, I certainly don't like it when Democrats do it. So she's a military hero, how does that in any way make her a better president?
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mcmagic posted:Pretty much every Republican who has endorsed Trump's main argument to vote for him is "We have to beat Hillary Clinton." That never works on someone like Kaine who doesn't have the 30 year history she does. Ahahahahahahaha are you loving kidding me with this? The "We have to beat the Democrat" message wouldn't change at all you idiot. What, you think they'd say "Okay, vote for Kaine instead, Trump is awful?"
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mcmagic posted:It feels very "Romney binders full of women" to just list a bunch of minorities and women... I'm sure you can guess who I would mention. Pretty much any democrat who is a national elected and doesn't have her negatives. Nice Palin maneuver
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I think Sanders could have won (or I wouldn't have voted for him) but i think, especially knowing how loving insane the 2016 election ended up being, that it would have been a tougher situation that "a sleepwalk.". I really genuinely do not know how Sanders would have handled debating Trump. Not because I think he's inept at debating but because Trump is so hosed up I don't know if it would have been even worse, better, or what.mcmagic posted:It feels very "Romney binders full of women" to just list a bunch of minorities and women... I'm sure you can guess who I would mention. Pretty much any democrat who is a national elected and doesn't have her negatives. Haha, you don't actually have an answer. I figured you'd at least have said Elizabeth Warren.
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mcmagic posted:Pretty much any democrat who is a national elected and doesn't have her negatives.
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mcmagic posted:I'm actually right a lot. Both in this forum and in others. I'm also wrong sometimes. That is the human condition. Discussion over folks, time to pack up and go home.
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mcmagic posted:Pretty much every Republican who has endorsed Trump's main argument to vote for him is "We have to beat Hillary Clinton." That never works on someone like Kaine who doesn't have the 30 year history she does. Good points, but you're missing the fact that shes running a great campaign and any other available candidate would be doing worse than her.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Perfectly spherical democrats So is Trump Eli Manning in this metaphor?
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FAUXTON posted:He can feel smug all he wants but Bernie would have done worse than Hillary. Imagine replacing everything Hillary speaks from experience on with "I GOT A MILLION YOOTS OUT THERE."
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FactsAreUseless posted:Who? I am not a big follower of national politics. Tom Guycot posted:Good points, but you're missing the fact that shes running a great campaign and any other available candidate would be doing worse than her. We just aren't going to agree on that.
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greatn posted:Also I'm not a huge fan of Duckworth and am not sure why everyone here is. I don't like "rah rah military" when Republicans do it, I certainly don't like it when Democrats do it. So she's a military hero, how does that in any way make her a better president?
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"Jerry Brown would have been up by 12 points." - mcmagic, 1992
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Dexo posted:So is Trump Eli Manning in this metaphor? No he is the Pats fan
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mcmagic posted:We just aren't going to agree on that. Wrong, I think we can both at least agree Hillary is doing better than anyone else would be in her position.
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