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greatn posted:I'm glad vp seems to be transitioning from "future nominee" to more of a caretaker role. Which of her policies do you disagree with?
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"Howard Dean would have been up by 8 points." - mcmagic, 2004
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Too bad we'll never know how Sanders v Trump would have went because Sanders lost.
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mcmagic posted:Kirsten Gillibrand Ah yes, Kirsten Gillibrand would certainly not be attacked for flip-flopping or centrist positions. Clearly you researched this and didn't just quickly google a name.
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mcmagic posted:Pretty much every Republican who has endorsed Trump's main argument to vote for him is "We have to beat Hillary Clinton." That never works on someone like Kaine who doesn't have the 30 year history she does.
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Antti posted:Remember when people, myself included, were worried he might Smiler himself into the nomination? Good, simpler times. I wish someone would treat Trump the way Spider treated Senator Sweeney in Transmet. Also now I'm wondering how Thompson would react to the current election if he were still alive. Would it have driven him to kill himself anyway, or would he be attacking the current election in glee and/or rage? You don't need the "[tweet]" things, just post the URL. Also wow, I forgot about JJ and what a disingenuous scumbag he is.Thank/gently caress you for reminding me of his existence. mcmagic posted:It feels very "Romney binders full of women" to just list a bunch of minorities and women... I'm sure you can guess who I would mention. Pretty much any democrat who is a national elected and doesn't have her negatives. Wow, this was a gimme question and you still blew it. What the hell, how are you do bad at this?
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In more important news: https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/793457027112730624 Bill Mitchell posted:I'll be appearing on The Alex Jones Show this afternoon around 3:30 pm.
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mcmagic posted:Kirsten Gillibrand quote:A member of the Democratic Party's relatively conservative Blue Dog faction while in the House, Gillibrand has been seen as a progressive since her appointment to the Senate. In both cases, her views were significantly defined by the respective constituency she served at the time[1]—a conservative congressional district versus the generally liberal state of New York. For example, while quiet on the U.S. military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy when she was in the House, during her first 18 months in the Senate, Gillibrand was an important part of the successful campaign to repeal it.[2] quote:Gillibrand's tenure at Davis Polk is best known for her work as a defense attorney for Tobacco company Philip Morris during major litigation, including both civil lawsuits and U.S. Justice Department criminal and civil racketeering probes. quote:Following her time at Davis Polk, Gillibrand served as Special Counsel to Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Andrew Cuomo during the last year of the Clinton administration. quote:Gillibrand and Clinton became close during the election, with Clinton becoming something of a mentor to the young attorney.[6] Gillibrand donated more than $12,000 to Clinton's senate campaigns.[18] quote:The American Conservative stated after her eventual victory, "Gillibrand won her upstate New York district by running to the right: she campaigned against amnesty for illegal immigrants, promised to restore fiscal responsibility to Washington, and pledged to protect gun rights."[24]
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'name a female candidate that'd do better than hillary' 'hillary jr. with added blue dog'
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FactsAreUseless posted:You think a flip-flopping former Blue Dog... yeah but she isn't hillary!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Name a person of color or woman you would prefer over Hillary and why 
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I'd have voted for him. And i live in a contested swing state with ~30 EVs, so unlike you plebes my vote actually does matter You live in Florida and aren't actively trying to get out. This isn't something to brag about.
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ImpAtom posted:Ah yes, Kirsten Gillibrand would certainly not be attacked for flip-flopping or centrist positions. Clearly you researched this and didn't just quickly google a name. Lots of opportunity for sexist subtext, too, what with her being appointed to Senate first to replace Clinton...
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I only hate Hillary because she is an incompetent centrist!!! *names Kirsten Gillibrand as a preferable alternative in a panic* *is dragged to the cornfield by the ghostly hands of self-ownage*
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Harrow posted:I think all of these arguments that "X would've crushed Trump" are maybe too optimistic about the people who are voting for Trump. What if it turns out that a lot of people actually like Trump and aren't just voting for him because Clinton is bad at selling herself as trustworthy? They polled for this and most Trump voters are, in fact, voting out of hatred for Hillary rather than love of Trump.
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Mcmagic you are a dumb reactionary baby. Shaddap.
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El Pollo Blanco posted:As a casual outside observer of US presidential elections since 2000, I get the feeling that Sanders' tax policy would probably cause a majority of Americans to freak the gently caress out and vote for anyone else on the ballot including inanimate objects. Look, Inanimate Carbon Rod has a really solid record on the economy and it's never sexually assaulted anyone. Cingulate posted:Michelle Obama. A person who hates a job isn't going to be very good at it.
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ImpAtom posted:Ah yes, Kirsten Gillibrand would certainly not be attacked for flip-flopping or centrist positions. Clearly you researched this and didn't just quickly google a name. Nah she's a popular multi term senator with zero negatives. FactsAreUseless posted:You think a flip-flopping former Blue Dog...
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Let's just pretend that a democrat could possibly be nominated that the Republicans wouldn't say is Mega-Hitler Supreme, ok?
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FAUXTON posted:They polled for this and most Trump voters are, in fact, voting out of hatred for Hillary rather than love of Trump. They'd hate any Dem the same. The machine would spin up 'this person is gonna eat your babies' for anyone they could find.
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mcmagic posted:We just aren't going to agree on that. cool now that you've agreed to disagree you won't make another thousand whiny posts that you've admitted accomplish nothing i actually like hillary and cory booker more as a direct result of how whiny you are in opposing both of them
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Cingulate posted:Michelle Obama.
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Instant Sunrise posted:"Howard Dean would have been up by 8 points." - mcmagic, 2004 "Hillary Clinton would have been up by 10 points" - mcmagic, 2008
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mcmagic posted:Those aren't negatives. In fact her gun history would've been a positive in the general. "Ties to Clinton" isn't a negative, says the person arguing Hillary Clinton shouldn't have run despite running the primary and has lead the general for almost the entire campaign because she is so unpopular.
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Yo mcmagic:sean10mm posted:Conversely, he showed zero aptitude for mobilizing minority voters during the Democratic primary, so why would we expect him to reproduce Clinton's overpowering advantage in that area in the general election race?
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Antti posted:Look, Inanimate Carbon Rod has a really solid record on the economy and it's never sexually assaulted anyone. FactsAreUseless posted:I like Obama, but her defining issue in the White House will be presented as an attack on personal freedoms and typical Democrat nanny-stating, and the blowback against anti-obesity efforts like soda taxation has been strong. Also she'd be attacked for her lack of experience, and the usual "her husband would make all the real choices" criticism, with the added difficulty that she doesn't have Clinton's history of working on her own to hit back with. Combine that with the fact that a black woman can't even frown on the national stage, let alone raise her voice, and I'm not saying it's impossible but she'd have a really tough fight.
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mcmagic posted:Nah she's a popular multi term senator with zero negatives. mcmagic posted:I'm actually right a lot. One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong...
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Gillebrand didn't run because Hillary did, so it's not like there was going to be a choice. She wants Hillary to be president.
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mcmagic posted:Those aren't negatives. In fact her gun history would've been a positive in the general. She doesn't have 30 years of baggage.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I like Obama, but her defining issue in the White House will be presented as an attack on personal freedoms and typical Democrat nanny-stating, and the blowback against anti-obesity efforts like soda taxation has been strong. Also she'd be attacked for her lack of experience, and the usual "her husband would make all the real choices" criticism, with the added difficulty that she doesn't have Clinton's history of working on her own to hit back with. Combine that with the fact that a black woman can't even frown on the national stage, let alone raise her voice, and I'm not saying it's impossible but she'd have a really tough fight. my least favorite thing about the michelle obama fantasy run is that she's made it abundantly clear that she hates DC and can't wait to leave but people just skip over this because we need to deny her agency to satisfy our electoral fantasies
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Cingulate posted:I wasn't being serious. I like her from what little I've heard about/from her, but clearly not enough to assess her for the completely unlikely possibility of her going for the presidency. I didn't mean to go off or anything, I get that she's cool and people love her (I do!) and sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone's being genuine or not. The aspects of her that make her likeable are also what would probably make her a terrible politician.
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Edmund Lava posted:Gillebrand didn't run because Hillary did, so it's not like there was going to be a choice. She wants Hillary to be president. The question was, a woman I would prefer to see run and who I think would be doing better.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:my least favorite thing about the michelle obama fantasy run is that she's made it abundantly clear that she hates DC and can't wait to leave but people just skip over this because we need to deny her agency to satisfy our electoral fantasies Is it okay if I say she'd kick total rear end as a candidate but respect her wishes not to run?
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mcmagic posted:The question was, a woman I would prefer to see run and who I think would be doing better. Anyone want to guess mcmagic's lunch order? I think he might give Assange a run for his money.
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mcmagic posted:Nah she's a popular multi term senator with zero negatives. I agree it would definitely help her, or at least be less likely to be used against her. On the other hand though, its pretty clear that she would be doing worse than Hillary is.
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Edmund Lava posted:Gillebrand didn't run because Hillary did, so it's not like there was going to be a choice. She wants Hillary to be president. The thing that the Anyone-but-Hillary Bernie Bros do not understand is that a lot of people want Hillary to be president.
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mcmagic posted:Nah she's a popular multi term senator with zero negatives. no one has any negatives if you look at their negatives and say "nuh uh"
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Night10194 posted:Is it okay if I say she'd kick total rear end as a candidate but respect her wishes not to run? Michelle Obama would be a terrible candidate and I'm glad she's leaving DC because her reign of terror of inspiring women to lift weights to get fabulous arms is finally going to come to a close.
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mcmagic posted:The question was, a woman I would prefer to see run and who I think would be doing better. Okay. mcmagic, why do you feel that Kirsten Gillibrand would be doing as well or better with minority voters than Hillary Clinton? Why do you feel she would be doing better with white men than Hillary Clinton? Like actual facts and not "she's not Hillary Clinton!!"
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Antti posted:I didn't mean to go off or anything, I get that she's cool and people love her (I do!) and sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone's being genuine or not. Dr.Zeppelin posted:my least favorite thing about the michelle obama fantasy run is that she's made it abundantly clear that she hates DC and can't wait to leave but people just skip over this because we need to deny her agency to satisfy our electoral fantasies
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