Endorph posted:

i mean tbf someone was just pitching what her favorables would be if she did run???

if someone's constantly banging on about it's annoying but thinking about what the hypothetical run would be like is just a thought exercise, idk how that's denying her agency any more than the hypothetical biden run

mcmagic posted:

The question was, a woman I would prefer to see run and who I think would be doing better.

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

it's just a common thing I've seen people do and it's not specific to her, over the summer people were constantly talking about VP picks as if the person would be forced to accept if they were chosen (e.g. Omg what if trump picks Bernie?????)

RuanGacho posted:

There's a reason Republicans started their campaign against HRC 25 years ago.

She at the time was an obvious potential "could be the first female president".

Its about the last time they were honest aaaand here we are. In the meantime she's become the most qualified candidate in history and you want to pretend there are other women who could measure up.

I'm sorry but there's literally no other woman with her qualifications no matter how badly you wish it to be true, its objective fact.

She has to win so less qualified women can follow. If Jill stein wasn't a useless nutter there'd be a similar campaign started against her or any woman who had a real shot.

Phone posted:

Yeah, it is, you dumbass.

Donald J Trump is the most qualified and competent candidate the GOP could put forward.

mcmagic posted:

By that logic it's really clear that Trump was the republican's best general election candidate, right?

Phone posted:

You live in Florida and aren't actively trying to get out.

This isn't something to brag about.

Instant Sunrise posted:

"Jesse Jackson would have been up by 10 points." - mcmagic, 1988

Endorph posted:

i mean, in the sense that he was exactly what the republican party wanted, deep down in their heart of hearts, yeah.

ImpAtom posted:

"Ties to Clinton" isn't a negative, says the person arguing Hillary Clinton shouldn't have run despite running the primary and has lead the general for almost the entire campaign because she is so unpopular.

BigRed0427 posted:

So is the Trump/ Russia stuff getting any kind of play?

BarbarianElephant posted:

I don't like the idea of "popular politician's wife = followup to politician." It's so... dynastic (sideways dynastic.)

mcmagic posted:

And they wanted the wrong person if the goal was winning the white house and having coattails down ballot. That's just a fact.

Grouchio posted:

Have the polls stopped dipping for Hilary following the FBI crying wolf yet?

Grouchio posted:

Have the polls stopped dipping for Hilary following the FBI crying wolf yet?

Non Serviam posted:

Before the other thread got closed, somebody suggested I was a troll for saying Obama is a war criminal. Well, the use of unmanned drones against civilian populations does qualify as that.
The murder of Al Awlaki, and that of his son, murdered without due process, despite being American citizens, was also a criminal act.

It's ok if you want to say Romney would have been worse, or that Trump shouldn't be president (and he really shouldn't) but don't whitewash the terrorist foreign policy of the US just because your guy was in charge when it happened. These are the same kinds of things people berated Bush for.

And all of this without mentioning the fact that the Obama administration has been the one that has gone against the most whistle blowers.

Dr.Smasher posted:

Christ mcmagic... go post on /pol/ or something.

mcmagic posted:

By that logic it's really clear that Trump was the republican's best general election candidate, right?

WampaLord posted:

Wait, I thought Trump was within the margin of error and a real threat because Hillary is so bad, which is it?

Cingulate posted:

Why can't you people deal with dissent in a nuanced, civil way?

mcmagic posted:

You really need to take a 100 level logic course.

Cingulate posted:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/barack-obama-on-5-days-that-shaped-his-presidency.html
Have you read this one? I think Obama's discussion of the drone issue here is very sensible.

And it really cannot be forgotten what the alternatives were. Compared to Iraq or Vietnam, drone strikes are a massive improvement.

Why can't you people deal with dissent in a nuanced, civil way?

"mcmagic, I disagree - I think you're overstating Clinton's unfavourabilities and underestimating her strengths. For example, ..."

mcmagic posted:

And they wanted the wrong person if the goal was winning the white house and having coattails down ballot. That's just a fact.

ImpAtom posted:

Okay. So... Hillary Clinton wins the democratic primary and then proceeds to win the general. This means nobody wants her to be president because ????

ImpAtom posted:

And this right here is why you're full of poo poo mcmagic. You consistently and constantly assume that literally none of Hillary Clinton's support is due to her. You begin from the viewpoint of "anyone could get what Hillary Clinton does."

mcmagic posted:

That is completely irrelevant to any point I've actually been making but sure.

BigRed0427 posted:

I know the last thing this thread needs is more Arzying but I'm sorry I can't help it.

As a Transwoman I am terrified that, if Trump wins I might be out of a job. That a Trump presidensey would give people permission to make my life hell. To make sure I'm stuck living with my parents till I'm 60.

I know everyone is saying the opposite but...gently caress.

mcmagic posted:

And they wanted the wrong person if the goal was winning the white house and having coattails down ballot. That's just a fact.

Ze Pollack posted:

As far as 45-48% of Americans are concerned, Hillary Clinton is less deserving of the presidency of the united states than a failed businessman, serial sexual assaulter, and inveterate racist with an attention span no longer than five seconds.

mcmagic posted:

That is completely irrelevant to any point I've actually been making but sure.

Cingulate posted:

Why can't you people deal with dissent in a nuanced, civil way?

"mcmagic, I disagree - I think you're overstating Clinton's unfavourabilities and underestimating her strengths. For example, ..."

Ze Pollack posted:

As far as 45-48% of Americans are concerned, Hillary Clinton is less deserving of the presidency of the united states than a failed businessman, serial sexual assaulter, and inveterate racist with an attention span no longer than five seconds.

Of the list of options presented, she is the least unpalatable.

Do not confuse this with popularity.

Ze Pollack posted:

As far as 45-48% of Americans are concerned, Hillary Clinton is less deserving of the presidency of the united states than a failed businessman, serial sexual assaulter, and inveterate racist with an attention span no longer than five seconds.

Of the list of options presented, she is the least unpalatable.

Do not confuse this with popularity.

Pablo Gigante posted:

Ein Sexmonster posted:

It isn't a fact though. Stop acting like your opinions and misinterpretation of data qualify as fact.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

If Bernie running as a progressive's wet dream couldn't even win the primary of the progressive party he is not a strong candidate

greatn posted:

I like Gillibrand a lot. I hope she runs some time. She has been a lot more progressive as a senator than as a house member, presumably because of the district she represented.