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Ein Sexmonster posted:Protip: McMagic will never concede any point. It's like pulling teeth. He has his opinions, he treats them as fact, and nothing will change them. I don't think hes as unreasonable as all that, I mean yeah he clearly wishes it was bernie, but he conceded at least a few pages back that Hillary is running a great campaign, and doing better than any of the other choices to run would have.
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Non Serviam posted:And HRC has dealt with poo poo no other candidate would have had to, because she has done some pretty uniquely bad, corrupt, and incompetent things. I'd like to know what she's done that is uniquely bad and corrupt. Like that can't even be the Iraq War vote or Emails so it has to be something else.
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computer parts posted:Like be a female political figure before 2004. If you want to defend her, try something better than "this multimillionaire has had it tough because she's a woman in politics"
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ImpAtom posted:Okay. So... Hillary Clinton wins the democratic primary and then proceeds to win the general. This means nobody wants her to be president because ???? Eh, the Democratic nomination process was basically a Soviet election. She was anointed years before it began. No other serious Democrats ran because all the $ backed her. The Republicans nominated an historically unpopular candidate because they had too many people seeking the nod; the Democrats because they had too few.
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socialsecurity posted:Nobody gets hurt from us posting about mcmagic posting stuff. Just ignore it if you don't like it. Can't become a derail if you don't reply.  Non Serviam posted:Bernie would have been terrible. Benghazi has been this insanely huge issue for a whole presidential term, and she basically didn't do anything wrong. She's done bad things, and some are criticizing her for her actual faults, but the majority of the criticism she's getting is not reasonable. It's insane conspiracy theories and hatred of her as a person.
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Instant Sunrise posted:so i'm tired of having to act like straight white dude opinions are the only ones that matter No one said anything like that but keep banging that strawman.
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Non Serviam posted:If you want to defend her, try something better than "this multimillionaire has had it tough because she's a woman in politics" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EGranwN_uk
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Tom Guycot posted:I don't think hes as unreasonable as all that, I mean yeah he clearly wishes it was bernie, but he conceded at least a few pages back that Hillary is running a great campaign, and doing better than any of the other choices to run would have. I wish it was pretty much any other democrat with a national profile since they would probably be doing better and have more coattails down ballot.
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mcmagic posted:No one said anything like that but keep banging that strawman. 
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Tom Guycot posted:I don't think hes as unreasonable as all that, I mean yeah he clearly wishes it was bernie, but he conceded at least a few pages back that Hillary is running a great campaign, and doing better than any of the other choices to run would have. He will continue to believe that she is the worst candidate imaginable, probably for the rest of time.
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A burning question that I've had for a long time: Something Awful poster mcmagic, did you name yourself after the cholo rapper and if so why?
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mcmagic posted:I wish it was pretty much any other democrat with a national profile since they would probably be doing better and have more coattails down ballot. 
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mcmagic posted:I wish it was pretty much any other democrat with a national profile since they would probably be doing better and have more coattails down ballot. Well, the problem with any of the other democrats with a national profile is, they would all be doing worse than Hillary is, because shes running a great campaign.
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ImpAtom posted:I'd like to know what she's done that is uniquely bad and corrupt. Like that can't even be the Iraq War vote or Emails so it has to be something else. Glenn Greenwald, known misogynist, explained some of the issues here https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/why-did-the-saudi-regime-and-other-gulf-tyrannies-donate-millions-to-the-clinton-foundation/
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Tom Guycot posted:Well, the problem with any of the other democrats with a national profile is, they would all be doing worse than Hillary is, because shes running a great campaign. Even if she was she still has 30 years of deserved and undeserved baggage weighing her down.
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After the election, can we make Pablo USPol's spirit poster?
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The whole "baking cookies" thing is disgusting. This idiotic penance walk they made her do. If the day she's elected, she just decides to push the button because gently caress y'all, I would kind of understand it.
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Dolash posted:It's wrong to confuse it with unpopularity too, though - I think the election's proven that Jesus Christ Himself could run against Donald Trump (or some hypothetical worse candidate, if one can exist) and so long as they had a D and R next to their names the numbers were going to be pretty much the same. Disagreed. You're missing one very important variable. Hillary Clinton has been the subject of twenty years' worth of concentrated propaganda designed to portray her as basically Hitler. And as this election has demonstrated, and the post-election gridlock will demonstrate, it has worked fantastically. Hillary Clinton is phenomenally unpopular. She had the great fortune to be presumptively up against Jeb Bush, the only man with a name more politically radioactive than hers, and then the even greater fortune to be up against an utter shambles of a man who can't start and finish a sentence on the same topic. And on the strength of that twenty years' worth of head start, she still can't convince 45% of america a glass of warm piss is better than chugging bleach. Is it completely unfair that a competent politician's achievements can be effectively tarnished by a twenty-year smear campaign? Sure. Doesn't make it stop being reality.
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Non Serviam posted:Glenn Greenwald, known misogynist, explained some of the issues here "People donated money to Hillary Clinton's charity" being the uniquely corrupt thing in this case.
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Non Serviam posted:At some point they decided that they want to be as objective and accurate as Breitbart, but from the left. I don't stand behind HuffPo as an outlet but tying Trump to Trump voters, especially those that feigned at taking "principled stands" in the past and came crawling back, needs to become a regular part of political discourse going forward. Because they're going to try to dump him like hot garbage.
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mcmagic posted:That is completely irrelevant to any point I've actually been making but sure. Then you're terrible at making points and should stop posting because that's what all of your posts have been implying Your parents should have named 179° cause you're as loving obtuse as possible
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mcmagic posted:Even if she was she still has 30 years of deserved and undeserved baggage weighing her down. Right, but that just speaks to how good she is, that with all that baggage shes still doing better than any of the other available dems would have.
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Non Serviam posted:If you want to defend her, try something better than "this multimillionaire has had it tough because she's a woman in politics" But that's entirely true compared to virtually any other person who could have won a major party presidential nomination this year 
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ImpAtom posted:"People donated money to Hillary Clinton's charity" being the uniquely corrupt thing in this case. It's cool you didn't read it. Thx.
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Instant Sunrise posted:hint: if you're going to post about how unfavorable hillary is, post the crosstabs of her favorability showing how it breaks down across race and gender. Instant Sunrise posted:so i'm tired of having to act like straight white dude opinions are the only ones that matter Sure and include age in that as well, Bernie actually won a majority of nonwhite millenials. Painting it as white vs nonwhite is way too simplistic, there's a big young vs old dynamic too. I don't think it's fair to call a candidate who won a majority of nonwhile millenials a white dude candidate.
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Cingulate posted:The whole "baking cookies" thing is disgusting. This idiotic penance walk they made her do. If Hillary Clinton was the mafioso crime lord she's accused of a whole poo poo load more people would be dead. The New York Times alone would be a graveyard.
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did i miss any candidates in my "mcmagic through the years" posts?
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mcmagic posted:Even if she was she still has 30 years of deserved and undeserved baggage weighing her down. 
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Ze Pollack posted:And on the strength of that twenty years' worth of head start, she still can't convince 45% of america a glass of warm piss is better than chugging bleach. Okay. You keep saying this. What presidential candidate succeeded at convincing that 45% of America to vote for them? Regan was basically the last one in any recent memory and Regan was pretty unique in that case.
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James Garfield posted:Those people who favor Trump over Clinton are republicans. There is probably no democrat that they would prefer over Trump. As I opened this by saying, given the choice between a glass of warm piss and a glass of bleach people overwhelmingly pick the warm piss. This does not mean you are going to make money if you open a piss stand.
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MaxxBot posted:Sure and include age in that as well, Bernie actually won a majority of nonwhite millenials. Painting it as white vs nonwhite is way too simplistic, there's a big young vs old dynamic too. I don't think it's fair to call a candidate who won a majority of nonwhile millenials a white dude candidate. Sure, but the problem is that young people's turnout rate is the worst.
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axeil posted:Thank you for the thread title we all deserve. From more than 9 pages ago, just quoting because I love MM. *starts listening to a loop of Clock Town day 3* Also I heard Clifton posted an update to something called the daisy ad(the old one being an anti-goldwater/ goldwater will use nukes ad)
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Non Serviam posted:It's cool you didn't read it. Thx.
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So, if anyone was wondering how Comey would affect things: https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/793065727397879809 Here you go.
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Radish posted:If Hillary Clinton was the mafioso crime lord she's accused of a whole poo poo load more people would be dead. The New York Times alone would be a graveyard.
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Ze Pollack posted:This does not mean you are going to make money if you open a piss stand.
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Non Serviam posted:At some point they decided that they want to be as objective and accurate as Breitbart, but from the left. gently caress Hufpo for th obvious click baity reasons but, no.
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Eh, the Democratic nomination process was basically a Soviet election. She was anointed years before it began. No other serious Democrats ran because all the $ backed her. This was linked in last month's thread which looks at Hillary's nomination from a different angle: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/7/11879728/hillary-clinton-wins-nomination It's a pretty smart - but hard work intensive - play if you ask me. Do the homework and prepare like hell...which sounds like quintessential Clinton. This strategy plays to her strengths, rather than the typical campaign approach which plays to her weaknesses (even if she does have a superb campaign machine behind her and has done a stand out job as it is).
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Does anyone genuinely and wholeheartedly think that even if you nominated... hell, let's go with Barack Obama's clone. Barack Obama's clone who is legally allowed to run for President and is also 8 years younger. Do you really think the absolute best outcome for him wouldn't be 40% of the country voting for Trump still? Do you think he'd somehow be carving off lots more white men (who are the base Trump is running on) than Clinton? The argument of "she can't beat 40%!!" ignores that the 'unfavorable' gap is that Clinton is unfavorable with white men and Trump is unfavorable with everyone but white men.
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