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Ambrose Burnside
Aug 30, 2007

pensive
trudeau takes his shirt off on camera before every solstice to guarantee that the sun will rise the next day. do not short-sell his almost limitless powers

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Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
I hate being right when I tell people that C-51 was going to be abused to its fullest extent.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Who, other than perhaps Swagger, thought that it wouldn't be?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

infernal machines posted:

Who, other than perhaps Swagger, thought that it wouldn't be?

6,943,276 voters

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

infernal machines posted:

Who, other than perhaps Swagger, thought that it wouldn't be?

No but you see the Liberals are running to the left of the NDP now!

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

OSI bean dip posted:

I hate being right when I tell people that C-51 was going to be abused to its fullest extent.

If I remember, you're also a big proponent that electronic voting computers are a horrible idea and ripe for abuse, how do you feel that could affect the US election?

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

vyelkin posted:

Halloween is over, let's move on to a new depressing topic.


What a shock, Bill C-51 has contributed to a cultural shift in Canadian policing (lol as if they weren't like this before) where police feel entitled to any information at any time, regardless of source or constitutional protections. If only we had elected a government that promised to undo this bill and reverse the erosion of privacy and free speech it allows and represents.

Oh but the police say it's okay because this was an extraordinary situation and definitely not the new norm, trust the police, they wouldn't lie to you.

In this 'exceptional circumstance' were charges ever brought forth against the SDQ member?

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

vyelkin posted:

410,757,864,530 voters

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Postess with the Mostest posted:

If I remember, you're also a big proponent that electronic voting computers are a horrible idea and ripe for abuse, how do you feel that could affect the US election?

Not directed at me, but Führor Trump is back to a statistical tie :sad:

I hope you guys have a pile of money when the market takes a dive

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Postess with the Mostest posted:

If I remember, you're also a big proponent that electronic voting computers are a horrible idea and ripe for abuse, how do you feel that could affect the US election?

My alcohol consumption habits are too expensive to answer this question.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Postess with the Mostest posted:

If I remember, you're also a big proponent that electronic voting computers are a horrible idea and ripe for abuse, how do you feel that could affect the US election?

They are a horrible idea. Ballots are really, really secure and voting machines are not.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I'd say the permanency and auditability of physical ballots far outweighs any potential efficiency of an electronic system. Especially when you have candidates calling the results of the election into question before voting even begins.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

GENDERED SLUR posted:

They are a horrible idea. Ballots are really, really secure and voting machines are not.

Ballots can be done with an LCD touch display provided there is a receipt trail and such, but for the sake of simplicity and the fact that paper does not go into an "out of order" state, there is no reason to switch away from what is tried and true.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Let's submit ballots on etched stone to prevent chemical tampering of the paper.

:trumppop: 'The system is rigged' :freep: 'we believe'

:abuela: Russian agents are rigging the election for their puppet

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Risky Bisquick posted:

Let's submit ballots on etched stone to prevent chemical tampering of the paper.

:trumppop: 'The system is rigged' :freep: 'we believe'

:abuela: Russian agents are rigging the election for their puppet

You can use the oxidation on the stone to determine when it was etched too.

Ambrose Burnside
Aug 30, 2007

pensive
paper ballots are perfectly suited to the particular needs and idiosyncrasies of large elections and theres no good case for moving away from them beyond "i owe diebold shareholders a significant favour"or similar

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Ambrose Burnside posted:

paper ballots are perfectly suited to the particular needs and idiosyncrasies of large elections and theres no good case for moving away from them beyond "i owe diebold shareholders a significant favour"or similar

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

flakeloaf posted:

Yeah and the FBI just wanted that one iphone the once I totally swear dood.

So um.... what has the government done since being elected?

It's held a lot of public consultation meetings on electoral reform, where Maryam Monsef repeatedly tells audiences with a >90% support rate for PR that she hasn't heard any support for PR from Canadians. Those are fun.


And if you google anything about her, the only thing you find is Postmedia papers writing about how she needs to be kicked out of cabinet for having unknowingly lied on her refugee application in a completely meaningless way. :iiam:

Ambrose Burnside posted:

paper ballots are perfectly suited to the particular needs and idiosyncrasies of large elections and theres no good case for moving away from them beyond "i owe diebold shareholders a significant favour"or similar

Seriously. The paper ballot system we have works really well, there's no way we should even entertain the idea of changing it given the poo poo that routinely goes down in the States.


e: VVVV Which is exactly why we don't have those retarded mega-ballots. If people are voting on five issues, just give them five different ballots.

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Nov 1, 2016

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

They're great for Canadian elections when you're making exactly one choice from a handful of possibilities.

Meanwhile, in New York

I don't know much about US elections but don't they vote for judges and congressmen and meter maids and a proposition to amend the addendum to the odd-numbered chapters of the municipal water budget all at the same time?

velvet milkman
Feb 13, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Risky Bisquick posted:

Not directed at me, but Führor Trump is back to a statistical tie :sad:

I hope you guys have a pile of money when the market takes a dive

this is extremely incorrect

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

I can't get over this election. It will be studied for years to come for just how batshit insane it has become.

Any one of Hate Mango's statements would have torpedoed a normal candidate. The "Grab them by the pussy" tape would have been considered the nuclear option in elections past. We're into full-on Neutron bomb stage now.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Risky Bisquick posted:

Not directed at me, but Führor Trump is back to a statistical tie :sad:

I hope you guys have a pile of money when the market takes a dive

lol what the gently caress are you talking about



That's actually a slightly misleading graph, it's the 'what if the election was today one'. The real headline is this: Clinton Nov. win probability: random drift 98%, Bayesian 99%

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

MA-Horus posted:

I can't get over this election. It will be studied for years to come for just how batshit insane it has become.

Any one of Hate Mango's statements would have torpedoed a normal candidate. The "Grab them by the pussy" tape would have been considered the nuclear option in elections past. We're into full-on Neutron bomb stage now.

You're assuming the next one won't be bat poo poo-ier.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Wistful of Dollars posted:

You're assuming the next one won't be bat poo poo-ier.

Do you think they'll bother holding elections in the irradiated apocalyptic remains of the United States?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

PittTheElder posted:

lol what the gently caress are you talking about



That's actually a slightly misleading graph, it's the 'what if the election was today one'. The real headline is this: Clinton Nov. win probability: random drift 98%, Bayesian 99%

I heard two different Ottawa radio stations say he was "slightly ahead in "the polls" " without clarifying who took these polls, when, or what the question was.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
I heard some ABC poll over the radio stating the end of times is nigh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-early-voting/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-leads-clinton-point-poll-enthusiasm-declines/story?id=43199459

if this does happen, i'm ready :homebrew:

Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Nov 1, 2016

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I know a lot of you think that Michael Moore is a hack but he's been saying the past couple months that in talking to people he runs in to, there's a massive pile of secret Trump voters who are basically keeping that poo poo to themselves but intending to vote Trump on election day, not because they think he'd be a good president, but basically to give the finger to the US political system.

I really hope it's true.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




I'm genuinely concerned about a Trump presidency, so I'm crossing every finger I have for more of the same aka Clinton.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Sep 9, 2022

velvet milkman
Feb 13, 2012

by R. Guyovich

EvilJoven posted:

I know a lot of you think that Michael Moore is a hack but he's been saying the past couple months that in talking to people he runs in to, there's a massive pile of secret Trump voters who are basically keeping that poo poo to themselves but intending to vote Trump on election day, not because they think he'd be a good president, but basically to give the finger to the US political system.

I really hope it's true.

This is basically the last refuge of hope for loser Trump supporters with no clear path to victory. There aren't going to be hordes of shame filled idiots that suddenly invalidate months of national polling, sorry

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
And yet, Brexit happened.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
The link to that Michael Moore was posted a few days ago. I think he understands poorer white voters quite well and like most people he speaks well on a few issues and is full of poo poo on others.

What the US needs is a federal agency like Elections Canada to have uniform ballots and uniform voting rules and requirements across the entire country. For some reason they leave it to the state, I assume because there's local and state issues also on the same ballot?

Dreylad fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Nov 1, 2016

Tan Dumplord
Mar 9, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
An accelerationist would hope that the new system is worse, though. :confused:

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Sep 9, 2022

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
And most marginalized groups will suffer the unjust and dehumanizing consequence first and/or totally!

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Sep 9, 2022

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
Not to mention it's a privileged as gently caress position because 'accelerationism' will almost certainly be worse on women and minorities during the transition period.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Sep 9, 2022

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

peter banana posted:

And most marginalized groups will suffer the unjust and dehumanizing consequence first and/or totally!

Let's be honest, just about anything can be opposed by shaking marginalized groups at it like a scarecrow. Hey, if we get PR maybe there's a slight chance that everyone loses their brain and gives absolute power the a backbencher klansman because that is totally how parliamentary coalitions function. Or how dare you want a revolution, don't you know that's a rich straight white boy thing!

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

peter banana posted:

And most marginalized groups will suffer the unjust and dehumanizing consequence first and/or totally!

But the accelerationists are Christian white men, so no problems!

a fleshy snood posted:

This is basically the last refuge of hope for loser Trump supporters with no clear path to victory. There aren't going to be hordes of shame filled idiots that suddenly invalidate months of national polling, sorry

Exactly. The combination of the Electoral College and the extreme wealth of poll data makes US Presidential Elections super easy to predict by debate time. The interesting races are all the downtickets, where the Democrats have a chance at retaking the Senate (and no chance at all of retaking the House, hurray for Gerrymandering and Democratic incompetence!).

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Nov 1, 2016

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

EvilJoven posted:

And yet, Brexit happened.

In today's lesson, we learn about "statistics" and "the electoral college"

Learning outcome: to illustrate why the Brexit referendum and a US presidential election are completely different.

Maybe if we had time we can explore why accelerationism is a garbage ideology for idiots.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

PittTheElder posted:

But the accelerationists are Christian white men, so no problems!


Exactly. The combination of the Electoral College and the extreme wealth of poll data makes US Presidential Elections super easy to predict by debate time. The interesting races are all the downtickets, where the Democrats have a chance at retaking the Senate (and no chance at all of retaking the House, hurray for Gerrymandering and Democratic incompetence!).

Yeah really anyone saying "But Brexit!" is really out to lunch on how Presidents are elected.

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peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Agnosticnixie posted:

Let's be honest, just about anything can be opposed by shaking marginalized groups at it like a scarecrow. Hey, if we get PR maybe there's a slight chance that everyone loses their brain and gives absolute power the a backbencher klansman because that is totally how parliamentary coalitions function. Or how dare you want a revolution, don't you know that's a rich straight white boy thing!

voting for Trump or a third party candidate who either thinks vaccines cause autism or doesn't know dick about Syria doesn't count as a revolution. Hope this helps.

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